The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gog]

We don't have official multiplyers for SSG/SSB, so therefore we don't know how many times it will increase Kid Goku's power. More than five hundred for sure. Would he be a match for Cell? Unknown.

Yeah you have a point, we really can't do this battle as we don't actually have a solid estimate on SSB'S strength

We do have a solid estimate.
In the manga: 10x SSJ
In the anime: SSBlue > SSGod > Vegetto

10X SSJ? Jeez that's pathetic, regardless Goku gets spanked

[RehBeh]

In the manga: 10x SSJ
In the anime: SSBlue > SSGod > Vegetto

What the heck you talking about? It never stated in anywhere that its only x10 SSJ. And it's SSB> SSG> Vegetto (Z) 'cause current Vegetto godstomps.

[Gog]

What the heck you talking about? It never stated in anywhere that its only x10 SSJ. And it's SSB> SSG> Vegetto (Z) 'cause current Vegetto godstomps.

B-but you typed it as SSJ, or was that an actual mistake?

[RehBeh]

What the heck you talking about? It never stated in anywhere that its only x10 SSJ. And it's SSB> SSG> Vegetto (Z) 'cause current Vegetto godstomps.

B-but you typed it as SSJ, or was that an actual mistake?

What? I quoted you by mistake, so I'm a little confused on what you're talking about.

[Gog]

What the heck you talking about? It never stated in anywhere that its only x10 SSJ. And it's SSB> SSG> Vegetto (Z) 'cause current Vegetto godstomps.

B-but you typed it as SSJ, or was that an actual mistake?

What? I quoted you by mistake, so I'm a little confused on what you're talking about.

Oh it was the TheUltimateNinja who stated that, sorry bout' that

[RehBeh]

B-but you typed it as SSJ, or was that an actual mistake?

What? I quoted you by mistake, so I'm a little confused on what you're talking about.

Oh it was the TheUltimateNinja who stated that, sorry bout' that

It's OK, mistakes happen.

[apex_pretador]

To be fair Dai Kaioshin allowed himself to be absorbed so he could manipulate Boo's nature. It wasn't the God Ki(Godly Ki wasn't a thing back then) but his presence inside Boo that calmed him.


So technicaly Zoom wins, right?

We know kaioshins all have god ki. Just because it wasn't known at that time doesn't mean dai kaioshin didn't have god ki, and as stated by others, he didn't allow himself to be absorbed.
Babidi also said he couldn't use god ki to power-up buu's cocoon.


Yep, by dropping him into dead timeline. If time-manipulation is banned, I see hit winning.

[Nejishiki]

But it's stated that super saiyan makes you fifty times better

Actually it never says that in the manga or the daizenshuu. It only says that in the super exciting guide, which also said ssj2 is 2x stronger than ssj, but ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than he was as a ssj, though you could argue that's because Gohan got a rage boost with his ssj2 boost.
Also it probably just means his ki is 50x bigger. It doesn't mean his muscles are 50x stronger.

Daizenshuu 7 cited Super Saiyan as 50x stronger than Goku's current state. The Super Exciting Guide is responsible for Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 & Goku's Super Saiyan 3 multipliers alone (it merely repeated Goku's Super Saiyan "1" figure from Daizenshuu 7). Goku had difficulty with lifting 40 tons because he trained in combination with bukujutsu. Lastly, ki may be used to strengthen one's physical attributes, too.

[RehBeh]

We know kaioshins all have god ki. Just because it wasn't known at that time doesn't mean dai kaioshin didn't have god ki, and as stated by others, he didn't allow himself to be absorbed.
Babidi also said he couldn't use god ki to power-up buu's cocoon.

Yeah, for some oddly reason i thought he let it happen. Anyway my main point is that it was his soul that calmed Boo(this actually is stated in the manga, checked)

[apex_pretador]

Golden freeza (no stamina drain) vs Superman prime (the one who fought monarch)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Golden freeza (no stamina drain) vs Superman prime (the one who fought monarch)
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Unless Superman can survive universal attacks Frieza stomps easily.

[apex_pretador]

Golden freeza (no stamina drain) vs Superman prime (the one who fought monarch)
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Unless Superman can survive universal attacks Frieza stomps easily.

Well he did, kind of (although it took him down), and Freeza never destroyed a universe.

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[TheUltimateNinja]

Golden freeza (no stamina drain) vs Superman prime (the one who fought monarch)
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Unless Superman can survive universal attacks Frieza stomps easily.

Well he did, kind of (although it took him down), and Freeza never destroyed a universe.

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Frieza is stronger than SSGod Goku who was threatening to annihilate U7 without even using his full power. Also, he was going to destroy the otherworld along with the living realm, so that's like destroying 2 universes. If Superman can be felled by an attack that only destroys 1 universe, he stands no chance against Frieza.

[Hugo Boss]

Golden freeza (no stamina drain) vs Superman prime (the one who fought monarch)
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Unless Superman can survive universal attacks Frieza stomps easily.

Well he did, kind of (although it took him down), and Freeza never destroyed a universe.

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Did Superman cause that explosion or it was his opponent? It's impressive that he had survived it. I don't know if Freeza can beat that. Even Beerus' life was in danger when the universe was about to be destroyed, although he could casually nullify such amount of energy.

[buutenks]

Namek Saga Goku(right after he got out of his ship) vs Ginyu Force(all at once). + Dodoria and Zarbon.

Goku is restricted to KKx1(when his PL was 180,000).

Bonus fight: Namek Saga Goku(right after he got out of his ship) vs Piccolo(after he merged with Nail).

Goku can use max kkx10.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Unless Superman can survive universal attacks Frieza stomps easily.

Well he did, kind of (although it took him down), and Freeza never destroyed a universe.

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Did Superman cause that explosion or it was his opponent? It's impressive that he had survived it. I don't know if Freeza can beat that. Even Beerus' life was in danger when the universe was about to be destroyed, although he could casually nullify such amount of energy.

Both, Superman rips that guy's armor open which causes that explosion. Also, if the shockwaves of their attacks were enough to put the entire universe in jeopardy, the actual hits are logically a lot stronger. Universe destroying attacks are nothing to Beerus.

Namek Saga Goku(right after he got out of his ship) vs Ginyu Force(all at once). + Dodoria and Zarbon.

Goku is restricted to KKx1(when his PL was 180,000).

Bonus fight: Namek Saga Goku(right after he got out of his ship) vs Piccolo(after he merged with Nail).

Goku can use max kkx10.

Goku oneshots literally everyone except Ginyu instantly, then either gets his body stolen or oneshots him with Kaioken.

Goku gets rocked, Piccolo's power level was over a million when he fused with Nail, Goku's max pre-Zenkai is 900,000. Unless he manages to pull off a Kaioken x15 or something he doesn't stand a chance.

[Hugo Boss]

Well he did, kind of (although it took him down), and Freeza never destroyed a universe.

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Did Superman cause that explosion or it was his opponent? It's impressive that he had survived it. I don't know if Freeza can beat that. Even Beerus' life was in danger when the universe was about to be destroyed, although he could casually nullify such amount of energy.

Both, Superman rips that guy's armor open which causes that explosion. Also, if the shockwaves of their attacks were enough to put the entire universe in jeopardy, the actual hits are logically a lot stronger. Universe destroying attacks are nothing to Beerus.

Yes, Beerus would easily counter such attack, I just don't see someone else in Universe 7 doing that.

[Gog]

Golden freeza (no stamina drain) vs Superman prime (the one who fought monarch)

Golden Freeza sparkles his way to victory, and earns himself a golden medal.

[ZombieVito]

Future Zamasu [No immortality] vs Hit [No time-skip or killing techniques].
Super Saiyan Gohan [As of episode 77] vs Super Saiyan Cabba.
Pui Pui vs Captain Ginyu [DBZ; No body change].
Mecha arc humans [Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu] vs The Ginyu force [No body change for Ginyu].
Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].
Nam [22nd TB] vs Goku [21st TB].

[dragon boss z]

But it's stated that super saiyan makes you fifty times better

Actually it never says that in the manga or the daizenshuu. It only says that in the super exciting guide, which also said ssj2 is 2x stronger than ssj, but ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than he was as a ssj, though you could argue that's because Gohan got a rage boost with his ssj2 boost.
Also it probably just means his ki is 50x bigger. It doesn't mean his muscles are 50x stronger.

Daizenshuu 7 cited Super Saiyan as 50x stronger than Goku's current state. The Super Exciting Guide is responsible for Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 & Goku's Super Saiyan 3 multipliers alone (it merely repeated Goku's Super Saiyan "1" figure from Daizenshuu 7). Goku had difficulty with lifting 40 tons because he trained in combination with bukujutsu. Lastly, ki may be used to strengthen one's physical attributes, too.

I agree that is one reason he had trouble. But don't you think since Goku was training he would be trying not to enhance his muscle with ki? Toriyama already said in an interview that their physical strength is limited and at a certain point they could only get stronger if their ki gets stronger, so it would make sense for when Goku is training with weights it would be for his physical body. Same thing with gravity training. That's why even though ssj Vegeta>>>>>>>>>>>base namek saga Goku, Vegeta was in 150x gravity while Goku was able to train in 100x gravity.

I would also find it hard to believe Goku wouldn't even be able to fly with a 40 ton buss on his back. Gohan did it easily in the anime, and he did it with a jumbo jet, thought that would be considered non canon. I think it was a mix of him using bukujutsu and him trying to train his muscles.