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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by rereboy » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:28 pm

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I have been reading your arguments, I've been reading them really good, and I know that in the end we know jack shit, but I'll say it again I'm only drawing my theory from what we've seen from the show. It's not fact. It's a theory. And saying I've been assuming with no real evidence just annoys me to no end.
Yet, you've been talking like it's facts. For example:
Gog wrote:This level of difference cannot, I repeat cannot exist if they were asexually reproducing creatures.
You are absolutely talking like it's a fact. And it's not. Like I said before, if you were actually talking like it was just a theory, you would just say that even though there is no real evidence, you still believe that they are sexual. Had you done this, I wouldn't even have commented at all.
Gog wrote:And saying I've been assuming with no real evidence just annoys me to no end.
Why, exactly? On one hand, you admit that we know nothing, which means that there is no real evidence. And on the other hand you get annoyed if someone points out to you that, if there is no real evidence, then whatever we think is only an assumption. Why...? One is simply the consequence of the other.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by The gr » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:45 pm

The gr wrote:it was stated that frieza was born from his father alone so does that mean frieza race is asexual :?: . toriyama stated that in the interview http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -super-qa/ It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
So is everyone ignoring this interview regarding to frieza race
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Gog » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:50 pm

rereboy wrote: Yet, you've been talking like it's facts. For example:
Yes, I have as I believed that the amount of evidence I had could prove it.

rereboy wrote: You are absolutely talking like it's a fact. And it's not. Like I said before, if you were actually talking like it was just a theory, you would just say that even though there is no real evidence, you still believe that they are sexual. Had you done this, I wouldn't even have commented at all.

It's not a fact, I may be talking like it's a fact. But it's not, it's just a conclusion that I came to while observing all of the members of the species. Not a fact.
rereboy wrote: Why, exactly? On one hand, you admit that we know nothing, which means that there is no real evidence. And on the other hand you get annoyed if someone points out to you that, if there is no real evidence, then whatever we think is only an assumption. Why...? One is simple the consequence of the other.
Because I will still argue that my conclusion is real. The reason why I'm getting so annoyed when people point out that I don't know, and we don't know is because. What other option is there? Every argument for them being asexual just goes down to Toriyama logic, which is a kind of laziness that makes my blood boil, there's also the King Piccolo created his demons, so that means that the Arcosian's can do the same, even though no other Namekian has ever shown the ability to do the same thing he has done. That's why I'm still arguing, I don't know at the end of the day. this is just a theory. I repeat this is just a theory.

But the counterargument to why there asexual doesn't even have any evidence to it. But It's still a theory

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The gr wrote:it was stated that frieza was born from his father alone so does that mean frieza race is asexual :?: . toriyama stated that in the interview http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -super-qa/ It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
So is everyone ignoring this interview regarding to frieza race
Because that's still inconclusive, and doesn't even add to the argument

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by rereboy » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:51 pm

The gr wrote:
The gr wrote:it was stated that frieza was born from his father alone so does that mean frieza race is asexual :?: . toriyama stated that in the interview http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -super-qa/ It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
So is everyone ignoring this interview regarding to frieza race
As it's mentioned in the translation note, it's unclear if he is saying that he only has a father due to how the japanese language works. There's no way to be sure.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:53 pm

Ah, Toriyama with the definitive answer lol I'm not looking to argue any of this, because in the end I feel it makes no difference, but it's just hilarious to me. "Hey, is Tenshinhan an alien or Earthling?" "Well, Tenshinhan is a rather unusual case. He might not born on Earth, but that does not mean that he's not an Earthling! But would he be an alien?" Pretty much the same vibe I'm getting here lol Basically, I see that Freeza's race can be asexual or they can not be. Their choice.

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Post by Israelite Wolfman » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:45 pm

The removal of the Humans from the front lines during DBZ, it started with Chiaotzu in the Android Saga, the turning of the whole show into the "Super Saiyans show" and the shitty comments the Humans are getting from fans all over the web. Time for Toei to show they're useful, too. Then it moved to the state that Yamcha & Chiaotzu, despite being able to handle Frieza's 2nd class soldiers, weren't even included in the Resurrection 'F' movie, neither do in the Dragon Ball Super arc that was able of fixing it.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by ABED » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:37 pm

People claiming Goku's reckless and self-centered side is due to his Saiyan genes. I don't think that's the case at all. People who are driven to be the best at the expense of everything else is very human. It's also common in stories to have a character who cares more for the puzzle or challenge than others. Sherlock Holmes shares a number of those qualities. Both characters do destructive things to stave off boredom. Sherlock does cocaine, Goku lets bad guys go free.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:41 pm

ABED wrote:People claiming Goku's reckless and self-centered side is due to his Saiyan genes. I don't think that's the case at all. People who are driven to be the best at the expense of everything else is very human. It's also common in stories to have a character who cares more for the puzzle or challenge than others. Sherlock Holmes shares a number of those qualities. Both characters do destructive things to stave off boredom. Sherlock does cocaine, Goku lets bad guys go free.
I certainly agree with this, it really annoys me how everything Goku does is boiled down to "Well, he's a Saiyan!" ignoring everything. Most often its used as an excuse for him to vindicate him of questionable actions but it's an annoying trend all around.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:53 pm

ABED wrote:People claiming Goku's reckless and self-centered side is due to his Saiyan genes. I don't think that's the case at all. People who are driven to be the best at the expense of everything else is very human. It's also common in stories to have a character who cares more for the puzzle or challenge than others. Sherlock Holmes shares a number of those qualities. Both characters do destructive things to stave off boredom. Sherlock does cocaine, Goku lets bad guys go free.
What if Sherlock Holmes was a Saiyan? In fact, that's canon now. Prove me wrong!
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Lunaar » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:37 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:What if Sherlock Holmes was a Saiyan? In fact, that's canon now. Prove me wrong!
*rustles through stacks of papers piled on desk* Shit shit SHIT - you're right. There's nothing that contradicts your statement. He must be a Saiyan!

Another thing that grinds my gears (and I'm almost positive this has been brought up already): people that have only watched Dragon Ball Z Abridged and inform everyone that they're fans of the franchise (and love how Goku is so dumb and how Krillin gets wrecked every episode and Popo is the strongest and and and). Poke around on popular DB related posts within the echo chamber that is Facebook and you'll see what I mean.

Don't get me wrong; I've loved DBZA since day one and I understand it's a very popular, well produced parody - but I cannot fathom watching a show with well over half of it's material being a reference to a source I know nothing about. What kind of monster do you have to be to sit and watch hours of comedy when you don't even get the jokes?
Gogegito wrote:Gotenks said "I cant let him fight just like that, please trunks help me, he's my brother" And trunks also had undesrstanding eyes.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Kanassa » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:01 pm

Lunaar wrote:
Don't get me wrong; I've loved DBZA since day one and I understand it's a very popular, well produced parody - but I cannot fathom watching a show with well over half of it's material being a reference to a source I know nothing about. What kind of monster do you have to be to sit and watch hours of comedy when you don't even get the jokes?
''You guys even get the Big Green joke!?"
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by ABED » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:07 pm

Don't get me wrong; I've loved DBZA since day one and I understand it's a very popular, well produced parody - but I cannot fathom watching a show with well over half of it's material being a reference to a source I know nothing about. What kind of monster do you have to be to sit and watch hours of comedy when you don't even get the jokes?
It's like saying you know Star Wars because you watched Spaceballs, except Spaceballs is at least funny.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:00 pm

ABED wrote:
Don't get me wrong; I've loved DBZA since day one and I understand it's a very popular, well produced parody - but I cannot fathom watching a show with well over half of it's material being a reference to a source I know nothing about. What kind of monster do you have to be to sit and watch hours of comedy when you don't even get the jokes?
It's like saying you know Star Wars because you watched Spaceballs, except Spaceballs is at least funny.
Unpopular opinion, but I found "Spaceballs" to be kinda lame. Maybe I went in to it with too high of exceptions, but it wasn't the movie that I thought it was going to be.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Gog » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:05 pm

Lunaar wrote: Don't get me wrong; I've loved DBZA since day one and I understand it's a very popular, well produced parody - but I cannot fathom watching a show with well over half of it's material being a reference to a source I know nothing about. What kind of monster do you have to be to sit and watch hours of comedy when you don't even get the jokes?
You do know I've never watched the show, and even then I can understand and enjoy the jokes. Speaking of the devil this is another thing that absolutely grinds my gears, people saying that you have to watch Dragon Ball Z to understand any of the jokes that Dragon Ball Z abridged does. I just can't fathom how people act that you have to watch the show first. When hardly any of the jokes are reference's hell I'd say that watching dragon ball z abridged is just a superior version of dragon ball z, with it's amazing jokes, characters, comedy and writing. Which mind you don't require you to actually sit through the original series to understand at all.

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Post by Lunaar » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:19 pm

Gog wrote:You do know I've never watched the show, and even then I can understand and enjoy the jokes.
When you say you've "never watched the show," what does that mean?
Gogegito wrote:Gotenks said "I cant let him fight just like that, please trunks help me, he's my brother" And trunks also had undesrstanding eyes.
Ajay wrote:It's probably savagely lit. I dunno.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by rereboy » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:26 pm

There's plenty of references in DBZA but there's also plenty of humor that doesn't depend on prior knowledge or references. In fact, many of scenes that involve references also involve, at the same time, humor that doesn't depend on them.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:36 pm

Gog wrote: You do know I've never watched the show, and even then I can understand and enjoy the jokes.
You've never seen the actual Dragon Ball Z?

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:08 pm

Then why are you always whining about Arcosians being asexual? Or is that a thing from DBZ Abridged Gog?

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Gog » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:00 pm

Lunaar wrote: When you say you've "never watched the show," what does that mean?
I've never actually watched Dragon Ball Z. Ever. Not a single episode
Bansho64 wrote: You've never seen the actual Dragon Ball Z?
Yeah, I've never actually watched a single episode of it.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:01 pm

Gog wrote: Yeah, I've never actually watched a single episode of it.
Have you watched or read any of the franchise?

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