"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Totamo » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:07 pm

Draconic wrote:Trunks might learn the Genki Dama from the Kaioshin, or something like that. There must be a reason they meet, so I guess that might be it? Maybe they are also going to stay in the present (if they even are in the present) so that's where the energy would come from.

Of course this is all twisting stuff. Trunks isn't shown having a connection to anyone outside of Mai so the moment would hold zero weight, regardless if it's explained well.

Gowasu's death has no impact, since we know Rumoosh has to be alive in the next arc (though I don't put it against Toyotaro, it's not his fault we know this).

The Time Travel stuff Bulma explains is really unnecessary. I don't think it's making the situation any more tense than it already is, so it just feels out of place. I'm fine with retcons, but if they have a purpose at least. Guess we'll have to wait and see what this is all about in future chapters.

Art is pretty conservative. Guess after two action packed chapters it's understadable.

The worst thing of it all is I really can't see how Trunks could help with anything in this whole ordeal, unless he uses the Mafuba like in the anime and that's again, not leading to much, since at the end his timeline still has to be wiped in order for the second Zeno to come to ours. I mean, alright, the villain of the arc is half assed, but does the protagonist have to be too?
This is the thing, to make trunks useful in the anime, they turned him into a 2 thirds gary stu, its one of the biggest complaints about that arc.

We have to ask ourselves, do we want the anime, where trunks was important but only through plot or the manga where he is reduced to a decoy and won't fight.

gowasu's death isn't suppose to hold weight, but change the narrative.

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Post by OLKv3 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:09 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:According to Herms from the chapter:
Goku learns the Mafuba without the aid of Sea Turtle in this version.
That seriously sucks. And it kinda makes no sense. Who the hell taught Goku how to do the Mafuba? And even if you mention the fact that he was told about this by Roshi at some point, this begs the question, why did Goku never think about using the technique when he was told about it? Did Kami teach him? Or maybe Piccolo? Because him learning on his own with no explanation of how the technique actually work sounds a little ass-pullish.
Roshi did, did you even look at the scans? The comment is saying he didn't use the Turtle as a practice dummy.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:10 pm

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Bullza wrote:The Genki Dama Sword was bad ass though. It was at least a pretty unique way to go.
I so want the Genkia Dama to appear in the manga. It sounds just like the sort of faux symbolism, bat-shit, crazy tidbit that Toriyama would idly throw in for shits and giggles.
Toriyama did weird shit sometimes, but never that big of an asspull.
His retcons and asspulls in recent interviews beg to differ. He's not above it at all.
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Lord Beerus wrote:According to Herms from the chapter:
Goku learns the Mafuba without the aid of Sea Turtle in this version.
That seriously sucks. And it kinda makes no sense. Who the hell taught Goku how to do the Mafuba? And even if you mention the fact that he was told about this by Roshi at some point, this begs the question, why did Goku never think about using the technique when he was told about it? Did Kami teach him? Or maybe Piccolo? Because him learning on his own with no explanation of how the technique actually work sounds a little ass-pullish.
Roshi did, did you even look at the scans? The comment is saying he didn't use the Turtle as a practice dummy.
But why would Rohsi need to be a practice dummy?

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:20 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:But why would Rohsi need to be a practice dummy?
The turtle, dude. The actual animal living on the island, you know?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:22 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:But why would Rohsi need to be a practice dummy?
The turtle, dude. The actual animal living on the island, you know?
Oh shit, I read that as Turtle Hermit. My mistake. :crazy:

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Post by Bullza » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:50 pm

This memorable death didn't happen, now did it?
Yes it did because everyone will remember Trunks getting that Genki Dama Sword and cutting him down the middle because it was different.

Frieza was defeated by an energy wave. Cell was defeated by an energy wave. Buu was defeated by a spirit bomb. Frieza again was defeated by an energy wave. Baby was defeated by an energy wave. Omega Shenron was defeated by a spirit bomb.

Dr Wheelo, spirit bomb. Turles, spirit bomb. Lord Slug, spirit bomb. Cooler, energy wave. Bojack, energy wave. Broly, energy wave.

They blend together almost. People will remember how Zamasu died.

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:54 pm

Bullza wrote:Frieza was defeated by an energy wave
No, he was sliced and diced.

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Post by Bullza » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:14 pm

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Bullza wrote:Frieza was defeated by an energy wave
No, he was sliced and diced.
Yeah when they briefly brought him back. In the main fight itself though it just ended with him being blasted with an energy wave.

There's plenty more characters who were beaten with energy waves outside of the main villains as well. Zamasu's death was unique. The closest to anything like that it was with how Goku killed Super Android 13 after he absorbed the Spirit Bomb.

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Post by dbgtFO » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:48 pm

If the 3 years line is true, then Toyotaro should never have Trunks utter the line, that they need to return to the past of 17 years ago, because Trunks originally went back 20 years.
This is really one of those lack of attention to detail instances, that all started when Toriyama didn't make it clear, if Trunks actually had to wait the same amount of time, as Goku and co. had to train for the androids, so it wouldn't create a new timeline.
The Trunks side story didn't help by stating he had to go back 17 years, which is apparently how Toriyama remembers it, because that's the number that's been used ever since.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:54 pm

dbgtFO wrote:If the 3 years line is true, then Toyotaro should never have Trunks utter the line, that they need to return to the past of 17 years ago, because Trunks originally went back 20 years.
This is really one of those lack of attention to detail instances, that all started when Toriyama didn't make it clear, if Trunks actually had to wait the same amount of time, as Goku and co. had to train for the androids, so it wouldn't create a new timeline.
The Trunks side story didn't help by stating he had to go back 17 years, which is apparently how Toriyama remembers it, because that's the number that's been used ever since.
I guess you're right, but it's really not that big a deal. I don't know where Toyotaro got the notion to start making up a bunch of specific time travel shit, though.
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Post by buutenks » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:56 pm

No Spirit Trunks and Super Trunks? Awww. Lol. Poor Trunks. Guess he won't shine in the manga like the anime.

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Post by OLKv3 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:58 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:If the 3 years line is true, then Toyotaro should never have Trunks utter the line, that they need to return to the past of 17 years ago, because Trunks originally went back 20 years.
This is really one of those lack of attention to detail instances, that all started when Toriyama didn't make it clear, if Trunks actually had to wait the same amount of time, as Goku and co. had to train for the androids, so it wouldn't create a new timeline.
The Trunks side story didn't help by stating he had to go back 17 years, which is apparently how Toriyama remembers it, because that's the number that's been used ever since.
I guess you're right, but it's really not that big a deal. I don't know where Toyotaro got the notion to start making up a bunch of specific time travel shit, though.
You guys are missing the point. Time is only concurrent because nobody knows how to use the time machine correctly. Since Future Bulma died, Trunks is just leaving the settings as is so he can go to the same past he went to before. Future Bulma knows how to set it up so they can visit any age and any parallel world they choose.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:00 am

OLKv3 wrote:You guys are missing the point. Time is only concurrent because nobody knows how to use the time machine correctly. Since Future Bulma died, Trunks is just leaving the settings as is so he can go to the same past he went to before. Future Bulma knows how to set it up so they can visit any age and any parallel world they choose.
That's your speculation, and doesn't really jive with Present Bulma's explanation of how the link works. Also, we've never seen Bulma handle the time machine before, it's always Trunks. So it's not even well-founded speculation.
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Post by OLKv3 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:03 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
OLKv3 wrote:You guys are missing the point. Time is only concurrent because nobody knows how to use the time machine correctly. Since Future Bulma died, Trunks is just leaving the settings as is so he can go to the same past he went to before. Future Bulma knows how to set it up so they can visit any age and any parallel world they choose.
That's your speculation, and doesn't really jive with Present Bulma's explanation of how the link works. Also, we've never seen Bulma handle the time machine before, it's always Trunks. So it's not even well-founded speculation.
It's not speculation, Bulma literally states that's why they only have one more shot, and Trunks states the same thing back in the first chapter of this arc. Trunks didn't have to wait 3 years back in the Android arc, F.Bulma just set it to go to 3 years later in the past
Also, HUH? Trunks only pilots the time machine, he has no idea of the mechanics behind it, F.Bulma takes care of the tech. She built it, she recharges the fuel, she handles the maintenance.
You all try to make this series way more complicated than it really is, and I'm wondering how you're even able to enjoy it

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:06 am

OLKv3 wrote:It's not speculation, Bulma literally states that's why they only have one more shot.
You're lying. I don't even want to be rude, but this is literally a lie. Future Bulma's involvement wasn't referenced at all. You have a nasty habit of making extraordinary assumptions with little to back it up, I've noticed. It would help everyone if you'd not do that.
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Post by OLKv3 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:07 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
OLKv3 wrote:It's not speculation, Bulma literally states that's why they only have one more shot.
You're lying. I don't even want to be rude, but this is literally a lie. You have a nasty habit of making extraordinary assumptions with little to back it up, I've noticed. It would help everyone if you'd not do that.
Ironic, since you disappeared earlier in the thread when you were proven wrong about the Toyo info.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:09 am

OLKv3 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
OLKv3 wrote:It's not speculation, Bulma literally states that's why they only have one more shot.
You're lying. I don't even want to be rude, but this is literally a lie. You have a nasty habit of making extraordinary assumptions with little to back it up, I've noticed. It would help everyone if you'd not do that.
Ironic, since you disappeared earlier in the thread when you were proven wrong about the Toyo info.
Did I? Pretty sure I made my case, pardon me if you carried on after I left. It's irrelevant, anyway. I was suggesting how you could make the thread a less toxic place.

Edit: I checked back, and the only thing I was wrong about was not knowing the anime process. However, immediately after I said that, I gave my reasons as to why you assumption still didn't work.
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Post by OLKv3 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:10 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
OLKv3 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: You're lying. I don't even want to be rude, but this is literally a lie. You have a nasty habit of making extraordinary assumptions with little to back it up, I've noticed. It would help everyone if you'd not do that.
Ironic, since you disappeared earlier in the thread when you were proven wrong about the Toyo info.
Did I? Pretty sure I made my case, pardon me if you carried on after I left. It's irrelevant, anyway. I was suggesting how you could make the thread a less toxic place.
The only one being toxic right now is you, slinging insults and not owning up when you're incorrect.
I just read Bulma's information and can admit I got it wrong just now, but when the reverse happened, you suddenly stopped responding when mountains of evidence was thrown your way.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:13 am

OLKv3 wrote:I just read Bulma's information and can admit I got it wrong just now, but when the reverse happened, you suddenly stopped responding when mountains of evidence was thrown your way.
Read the edit on my last post.
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Post by LightBing » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:43 am

Seems like the time-travel info might be a plot hole. While it's wasn't stated that Trunks waited 8 months before returning to the past, Future Bulma comments how it takes 8 months to charge the time-machine, in Trunks Story. A comment which is unnecessary unless the author wants to imply something.

Seems like it's a pretty uneventful chapter, a lot of set up. I would rather Trunks just died a hero in this chapter. It would would be a beautifully tragic ending for the character and it would hype up the final battle even more.

I'm waiting for the final and translated chapter for a definite opinion.

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