So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

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So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by precita » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:50 pm

With the confirmation in today's episode that Universe 7 is the second weakest in the universe, that confirms Champa's universe is stronger than ours. Which likely means besides Hit there must be other fighters in that universe above the level of Super Saiyan Blue.

This is quite surprising, which means the 5 fighters Champa chose for their tournament were not representative of the best of their universe, aside from Hit.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Grimlock » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:53 pm

Which also means Universe 6's Saiyans are far more interesting than just losing their tails through evolution, they must have something more that could leaves us all in awe.

As I said in other topic, they better show us Universe 6's Saiyans as soon as possible if that Universe is to be destroyed.
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Lord Frieza » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:53 pm

No, they say the average quality of mortals is better of their mortals is better but they do not explain what that means.

Power, development, righteousness? They don't explain.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Beyond » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:58 pm

I thinks it means that besides Goku and Vegeta,Gohan, and buu. Everyone else is just too weak. U6 has a planet filled with saiyans that could all be learning to turn super that should boost their score a lot. Frost could have gained a golden form. U7 is getting carried by only about 4 people that are definitely above namek frieza tier. Piccolo, trunks, goten and the androids should be above Frieza too, but they might have gotten a super nerf. Even if they didn't that's only 9 above Frieza.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Boo Machine » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:03 pm

They didn't say second weakest. They just said second worst. I don't think strength is the only factor otherwise Shin and Beerus wouldn't be arguing about who let the quality of the universe 7 slip and not develop in the right way do to negligence.
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by ChronoTwigger » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:06 pm

Quality refer to evolution and conduit. Not power level in martial arts. Zeno never cared for until seen U6 brawl (and they was scared about him knowing of such a fight).
In our universe Sayans are raging beast and Frieza race genocide monsters.
In U6, sayan defend freedom and frieza-like are Berlusconi-Donald Trump. You have being like mechanoids and people that live thousands years...
It's a more "ordered" universe.
Think of Zamasu watching Babarians... Or Vulcanians of Star Trek. Or humans compared to horses (the latter are stronger, but for sure we are worst in any sense XD).

and it could also refer on planets "managements", like how much they let grow and how much they destroyed...
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Beyond » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:15 pm

I suppose it does make more sense that it means quality of the beings. That's makes it even worse though. That means Zeno and the Grand Priest just genocide universes that aren't doing so well for X reason. I mean if it was Zamasu level boned I could understand, but u7 probably ranks so low because of Frieza and the saiyans. All Zeno would have to do is fire Beerus and get someone better, who would kill Frieza and be active. The gods are really messing with people. I wouldn't be surprised if the mazoku was more reasonable.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Lord Frieza » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:21 pm

Beyond wrote:I suppose it does make more sense that it means quality of the beings. That's makes it even worse though. That means Zeno and the Grand Priest just genocide universes that aren't doing so well for X reason. I mean if it was Zamasu level boned I could understand, but u7 probably ranks so low because of Frieza and the saiyans. All Zeno would have to do is fire Beerus and get someone better, who would kill Frieza and be active. The gods are really messing with people. I wouldn't be surprised if the mazoku was more reasonable.
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by ChronoTwigger » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:25 pm

Well, the more this thing proceed the more I'm hating Zeno.
C'mon, how much gentle cute babies want to erase just for elitarian principles?

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by precita » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:28 pm

Universe 7 really is low-tier. It really makes everything that happened in DBZ seem so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. No wonder why nobody cared about Buu wrecking havoc in Universe 7 outside the Kai's. He is nothing.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:52 pm

It's average by planet I think. Which makes sense than universe 7 would be low, as you have Earth, Beerus' planet, and... basically no other planets with strong fighters of any note.

EDIT: Basically to elaborate on what I mean, a universe that was filled with fighters on Master Roshi's level, but had no one weaker or stronger than that, would score higher than Universe 7, even though Universe 7 has many people who could defeat fighters of that level easily.
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Hakaishin Saitama » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:16 pm

precita wrote:With the confirmation in today's episode that Universe 7 is the second weakest in the universe, that confirms Champa's universe is stronger than ours. Which likely means besides Hit there must be other fighters in that universe above the level of Super Saiyan Blue.

This is quite surprising, which means the 5 fighters Champa chose for their tournament were not representative of the best of their universe, aside from Hit.
It's an average mortal level. Has nothing to do with the max or min (e.g. outliers who are ridiculously strong warriors).

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Cipher » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:21 pm

Not a single thing in the episode indicates the measurement is based on strength, and several lines of dialogue imply they're looking at other factors.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Alee9977 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:21 pm

The universe quality is not only power but also living quality, intelligence and many other factors incluiding power. Not everything is about power, and that's something very clear to see, just look at Zenos' expressions when watching the fights, that tells you they are not used to watch these things.

Also, U7 low quality makes sense, I mean, all the planets we saw and different races there are aren't really interesting, look at the primitive life the Nameks have.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Cipher » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:24 pm

Alee9977 wrote:Also, U7 low quality makes sense, I mean, all the planets we saw and different races there are aren't really interesting, look at the primitive life the Nameks have.
It really does say something that the two lower beings most on the gods' radars were a genocidal space pirate and a chaotic ancient demon.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Doctor. » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:07 am

The Namekians aren't really primitive, they built spaceships somehow. They're just fond of the rural life.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Booze Sama » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:42 am

It makes you think what the hell happened in U9. I'd be interested to learn about characters who stopped their universe's equivalent of Buu.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by DragonBallLove » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:48 am

The Namekians live in a post apocalyptic society. It coul very well that their past technology is beyond their current capabilities. Another strip for the tiger, I guess.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:49 am

The ratings are as debatable as power levels. I don't really take them seriously.
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:55 am

Cipher wrote: It really does say something that the two lower beings most on the gods' radars were a genocidal space pirate and a chaotic ancient demon.
That's pretty fair, Freeza possessed more power than all but the upper echelons of the Gods and Buu very nearly caused the extinction of the highest Gods.

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