Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

You know what I mean? I don't even know who ACTUALLY has what forms currently? Where is the common canon?

I guess you are concerned with having a consistent story, with coherent power levels, but Dragon Ball is handled by several people and even its creator is a forgetful person, so try to enjoy for what it is. The funny part of this is that none is absolute, you have a good range of creativity to compile your power lists.

[ChiefWamsutta]

You know what I mean? I don't even know who ACTUALLY has what forms currently? Where is the common canon?

I guess you are concerned with having a consistent story, with coherent power levels, but Dragon Ball is handled by several people and even its creator is a forgetful person, so try to enjoy for what it is. The funny part of this is that none is absolute, you have a good range of creativity to compile your power lists.

Haha, I wouldn't go as far to say that I want coherent power levels. I'd just like to know if Goku and Vegeta can use SSG in the anime. It is a great form and I do miss it.

[Bullza]

So is Vegeta supposed to have grown that strong in the ROSAT that the current Super Saiyan God Vegeta is stronger than the previous Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta?

Now that they've fused to become Merged Zamasu are they going to transform into Super Saiyan Blue to keep up somewhat?

In the anime Merged Zamasu wasn't that much more powerful than Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta so is that what they're getting at in the manga to explain why there's not such a massive difference?

[Lord Beerus]

And on top of this, if Vegeta is that much stronger as a SSJG after training in the ROSAT, then surely he should power up to SSJB and finish off SSJR Goku Black? I mean, the jump in power he made in the ROSAT was insane for him to be kicking SSJR Goku Black's ass as a SSJG. If Vegeta doesn't go SSJB against SSJR Goku Black, he's an idiot because SSJB is at the very least X10 stronger than SSJG in the manga. He could end this fight instantly. I hope to God Toyotaro explains this shit.

How is ssjblue 10x ssg in the manga?

Because SSJG is the equivalent of 10% of SSJB.

[emperior]

And on top of this, if Vegeta is that much stronger as a SSJG after training in the ROSAT, then surely he should power up to SSJB and finish off SSJR Goku Black? I mean, the jump in power he made in the ROSAT was insane for him to be kicking SSJR Goku Black's ass as a SSJG. If Vegeta doesn't go SSJB against SSJR Goku Black, he's an idiot because SSJB is at the very least X10 stronger than SSJG in the manga. He could end this fight instantly. I hope to God Toyotaro explains this shit.

How is ssjblue 10x ssg in the manga?

Because SSJG is the equivalent of 10% of SSJB.

Are you sure? I remember SSG being stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta and also strong enough to overcome Hit's time-skip.

[pacz360]

You know what I mean? I don't even know who ACTUALLY has what forms currently? Where is the common canon?

I guess you are concerned with having a consistent story, with coherent power levels, but Dragon Ball is handled by several people and even its creator is a forgetful person, so try to enjoy for what it is. The funny part of this is that none is absolute, you have a good range of creativity to compile your power lists.

Haha, I wouldn't go as far to say that I want coherent power levels. I'd just like to know if Goku and Vegeta can use SSG in the anime. It is a great form and I do miss it.

Never the god form was absorbed into goku's base and ssj forms like vegeta as stated by beerus so ssj god ain't coming back.

[TheUltimateNinja]

So is Vegeta supposed to have grown that strong in the ROSAT that the current Super Saiyan God Vegeta is stronger than the previous Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta?

Now that they've fused to become Merged Zamasu are they going to transform into Super Saiyan Blue to keep up somewhat?

In the anime Merged Zamasu wasn't that much more powerful than Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta so is that what they're getting at in the manga to explain why there's not such a massive difference?

Goku should be completely in the dust in that case.

[The gr]

Is time to get rid of this weird misconception of SSG Vegeta is stronger​ than ssb SSG. The prince figured out how to only use SSB in quick bursts while keeping SSG as his main form.
It's like how Goku fought Jeice and Butta on Namek, where his power only read as 5 and he only raised his power in the instant he attacked [spoiler][/spoiler]Herms already translated this

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is time to get rid of this weird misconception of SSG Vegeta is stronger​ than ssb SSG. The prince figured out how to only use SSB in quick bursts while keeping SSG as his main form.
It's like how Goku fought Jeice and Butta on Namek, where his power only read as 5 and he only raised his power in the instant he attacked [spoiler][/spoiler]Herms already translated this

The scouters read 5,000, not 5.

[The gr]

Is time to get rid of this weird misconception of SSG Vegeta is stronger​ than ssb SSG. The prince figured out how to only use SSB in quick bursts while keeping SSG as his main form.
It's like how Goku fought Jeice and Butta on Namek, where his power only read as 5 and he only raised his power in the instant he attacked [spoiler][/spoiler]Herms already translated this

The scouters read 5,000, not 5.

Oopsy Daisy, I just copy and pasted this from OLKv3

[Lord Beerus]

How is ssjblue 10x ssg in the manga?

Because SSJG is the equivalent of 10% of SSJB.

Are you sure? I remember SSG being stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta and also strong enough to overcome Hit's time-skip.

I just re-read the chapter 13, and you're right. But the Hit/Goku fight in the manga is a bit weird. I mean, SSJ Goku was able to keep up with the Time-Skip.

[ChiefWamsutta]

I guess you are concerned with having a consistent story, with coherent power levels, but Dragon Ball is handled by several people and even its creator is a forgetful person, so try to enjoy for what it is. The funny part of this is that none is absolute, you have a good range of creativity to compile your power lists.

Haha, I wouldn't go as far to say that I want coherent power levels. I'd just like to know if Goku and Vegeta can use SSG in the anime. It is a great form and I do miss it.

Never the god form was absorbed into goku's base and ssj forms like vegeta as stated by beerus so ssj god ain't coming back.

Vegeta never really absorbed the forms. ... To be honest, it makes much more sense to say that they practiced controlling their ki at eventually reached a level of ki mastery that unlocked SSBlue.

To get to SSBlue you would either have to transform into a Super Saiyan as a Super Saiyan God, or you could reach god ki level through ki mastery.

[Bullza]

Why would he be using SSJB in bursts? Why not just use it fully?

[pacz360]

Haha, I wouldn't go as far to say that I want coherent power levels. I'd just like to know if Goku and Vegeta can use SSG in the anime. It is a great form and I do miss it.

Never the god form was absorbed into goku's base and ssj forms like vegeta as stated by beerus so ssj god ain't coming back.

Vegeta never really absorbed the forms. ... To be honest, it makes much more sense to say that they practiced controlling their ki at eventually reached a level of ki mastery that unlocked SSBlue.

To get to SSBlue you would either have to transform into a Super Saiyan as a Super Saiyan God, or you could reach god ki level through ki mastery.

Well either way your not going to see ssj god in the anime considering the anime followed the movie with goku absorbing the form power into him.

[TheMikado]

Why would he be using SSJB in bursts? Why not just use it fully?

Dont take this as word yet because no one knows yet. People saw one translated line from a single leaked panel and decided Vegeta was switching SSB on and off. Not saying he isn't but we really don't know what's actually happening. People just want to hate it so they're making up scenarios before knowing the full story.

[Triggered Vegeta]

Why would he be using SSJB in bursts? Why not just use it fully?

Dont take this as word yet because no one knows yet. People saw one translated line from a single leaked panel and decided Vegeta was switching SSB on and off. Not saying he isn't but we really don't know what's actually happening. People just want to hate it so they're making up scenarios before knowing the full story.

Agreed. Turning it on and off would just make him lose a tremendous amount of power and stamina.

He knows better, that'd just be a huge mistake on his part.

[Simere]

Why would he be using SSJB in bursts? Why not just use it fully?

Dont take this as word yet because no one knows yet. People saw one translated line from a single leaked panel and decided Vegeta was switching SSB on and off. Not saying he isn't but we really don't know what's actually happening. People just want to hate it so they're making up scenarios before knowing the full story.

Look, we absolutely know that's what he's doing. The grammar allows for no other possibility; certainly not the possibility you suggested it could be. For that it would have to be something like:

He will only turn SSB the instant he attacks.

As opposed to:

He's only turning SSB the instant he attacks.

Then combine that with what TheUltimateNinja said about seeing him in SSG later on. Then think about how bizarre it would be for Goku to say the first line in the first place in that context.

Anyway, Herms translated it even more:

Trunks is surprised that Vegeta holds his own against Rosé despite using SSG. Goku explains Vegeta briefly goes Blue the moment he attacks

[ChiefWamsutta]

Base < SSJ < Goku's SSJ2 < SSJ3 < SSJ2 < SSGod < SSBlue

Yeah, I agree with this:

Base < SS < Goku's SS2 < SS3 < Trunks' SS2 < Vegeta's SS2 << SSG < SSB = SSRose = SSRage

[TheMikado]

Why would he be using SSJB in bursts? Why not just use it fully?

Dont take this as word yet because no one knows yet. People saw one translated line from a single leaked panel and decided Vegeta was switching SSB on and off. Not saying he isn't but we really don't know what's actually happening. People just want to hate it so they're making up scenarios before knowing the full story.

Look, we absolutely know that's what he's doing. The grammar allows for no other possibility; certainly not the possibility you suggested it could be. For that it would have to be something like:

He will only turn SSB the instant he attacks.

As opposed to:

He's only turning SSB the instant he attacks.

Then combine that with what TheUltimateNinja said about seeing him in SSG later on. Then think about how bizarre it would be for Goku to say the first line in the first place in that context.

Anyway, Herms translated it even more:

Trunks is surprised that Vegeta holds his own against Rosé despite using SSG. Goku explains Vegeta briefly goes Blue the moment he attacks

Yes I already saw and posted that in another thread.

[Bullza]

So it's not that SSJG is on par with SSJR then? He's still just using SSJB essentially.

I wonder if it's because of that whole thing where using it twice causes it to drop over 90% of his power.