"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

Then Zamasu and Black argue, great dialog there again! So fusion. Goku notices first and tell Vegeta to attack. Come on, people, it's fine. This doesn't make Goku a super schoolar neither Vegeta stupid. It's totally fine!

Toyotaro amazing. The only problem is that he didn't make the Goku and Black fight, but the rest is that good that I forgive that. Next chapter will be good to see too. I think it will end the arc, so there will be a lot to talk about.

I actually really liked that part cause it showed Goku using his brain. Come to think of it, he's overall a lot smarter in the manga than in the anime.

I can't wait to see how different the next arc will be. I would love to know why he made Vegeta the main character for this while it was Trunks and Goku in the anime. It's such a huge change that probably everyone wasn't expecting.

[TheGodfather93]

Again with the swearing on a certain site's scanlation, now seemingly more frequent than before. Anyone else getting annoyed by this? That can't be what these characters are actually saying in Japanese, can it? I certainly wouldn't expect two snobbish gods to use that kind of language.

[mfwlegend3]

Again with the swearing on a certain site's scanlation, now seemingly more frequent than before. Anyone else getting annoyed by this? That can't be what these characters are actually saying in Japanese, can it? I certainly wouldn't expect two snobbish gods to use that kind of language.

It's mangastream being mangastream.

[Namz]

I just read it and it seems like Black is the leader of the 2 but was it like that in the anime ? from what I remember they both were on equal ground.

Makes sense. It was Black's plan all along, he was the one that killed the Gowazus and used super dragon balls the first time. It's all because of him.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

Please let Super Saiyan Red Vegito be a thing.

[Basako]

Please let Super Saiyan Red Vegito be a thing.

It's a possibility now. I'd like both, the red and the blue. Then the defusion for the draining so they are screwed again. Then the question, how will they end him? Trunks has his sword, but it's not broken yet and there are no survivors in Earth, it's gonna be different. Thanks god, because the spontaneous Genki ball was not good.

[JulieYBM]

Vegeta is now using the same strategy that Toyo-tarou had him use in Dragon Ball AF. I like this idea, it gives Vegeta his own little thing. I hope Toyo-tarou keeps using it.

[alakazam^]

Again with the swearing on a certain site's scanlation, now seemingly more frequent than before. Anyone else getting annoyed by this? That can't be what these characters are actually saying in Japanese, can it? I certainly wouldn't expect two snobbish gods to use that kind of language.

You're right, that's not exactly what they are saying although both of them are breaking down.

[The gr]

A disappointed chapter

but here's the thing that I liked

+goku insulting/trashing zamasu is seriously the best part,IDC what anyone says, but this version of goku is very entertaining and Toyo knows how to portray him

+ is cool to see the supreme Kai tried to figth zamasu

+goku almost preventing the fusion is also a cool detail

+the mafuba joke is hilarious

+Vegeta strategy was cool

now the thing I didn't like

-no tag team match

-vegeta SSG,is a cool idea but they didn't explain it how he obtained it

-trunks get trashed off screen

-and goku Never fought black is so disappointing

-the art look off in some scenes

-and black got jobbed twice, not a good way to build up a villain,his anime counterpart is 100x better

-the mafuba did nothing to the plot,I'm giving a 6/10.

[HeroR]

How is this version weaker? They seem to be the same power as the anime, except Black doesn't have Naruto clones to nullify Vegeta overpowering him. Zamasu was weaker than SSJ2 Trunks in the anime as well.

Future Zamasu traded blows with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. How was he weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Trunks?

[Noah]

I hope this arc finally ends in the next chapter, I had enough of this lousy content we're getting in the manga.

[The gr]

I hope this arc finally ends in the next chapter, I had enough of this lousy content we're getting in the manga.

Agreed, I'm not liking the changes,like the time travel explanation from Last Month and this month with Super saiyan God,I'm really hoping this ends at may or in April, because honestly Toyble already screwed up this​ saga, which is such a shame, because I had high hopes for this from the last two months chapter but this month is a down grade of story and art.The ending and the merged zamasu figth better not disappoint us

the manga needs to improve with the next saga, and get rid off the annoying traits of this product, like less exposition,more tension and character development, and stop doing homage and be a little bit more creative with the figths.I'm hoping they include the Zen matches with the dangerous trio because Is highly possible that these matches might be skipped in this continuity which I hope that is not the case

[TheUltimateNinja]

How is this version weaker? They seem to be the same power as the anime, except Black doesn't have Naruto clones to nullify Vegeta overpowering him. Zamasu was weaker than SSJ2 Trunks in the anime as well.

Future Zamasu traded blows with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. How was he weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Trunks?

You quoted the wrong person.

[LightBing]

Finally read the chapter.

It's a solid chapter, although one of the weakest this arc. I felt it dragged a bit and the art was uneven. Vegeta vs Black choreography wise lacked inspiration, Goku vs Future Zamasu saved this element in the chapter, it was decent.
Vegeta's surprise SSJG and how it was introduced with a bit of strategy to defeat Black is a highlight of the chapter. Goku psychological warfare against Zamasu was great.

Didn't like the Mafuba gag. I feel Mr.Toriyama is making fun of himself. He created this amazing technique, which should have been used throughout Dragon Ball. Against Vegeta, Freeza, Cell and Boo. It's understandable it wasn't used, all arcs would be the same.
He's telling us "forget about it". I know it exists and I know I messed up but whatcha you gonna do? I know a silly joke!
Hate it or love it. I think it's necessary to understand this.

I give it a 63 out of 100. Onto the next episode. I hope we get some surprises.

[Noah]

the manga needs to improve with the next saga, and get rid off the annoying traits of this product, like less exposition,more tension and character development, and stop doing homage and be a little bit more creative with the figths.I'm hoping they include the Zen matches with the dangerous trio because Is highly possible that these matches might be skipped in this continuity which I hope that is not the case

My thoughts exactly. People used to like more the manga because it had consistent power scaling, better plot consistency and characterization, now that all of this is gone and most people agree the anime in this arc was better, I see now why these rants are coming from.

[The gr]

the manga needs to improve with the next saga, and get rid off the annoying traits of this product, like less exposition,more tension and character development, and stop doing homage and be a little bit more creative with the figths.I'm hoping they include the Zen matches with the dangerous trio because Is highly possible that these matches might be skipped in this continuity which I hope that is not the case

My thoughts exactly. People used to like more the manga because it had consistent power scaling, better plot consistency and characterization, now that all of this is gone and most people agree the anime in this arc was better, I see now why these rants are coming from.

If I'm being real here,the manga powerscaling got screwed since chapter 13 or 15,is such a shame because the first two chapters of this ft trunks stuff was fenomenal, sadly it got a massive decline of quality since chapter 16 all the way to 19 with pointless go kart,elongated flashback, Black getting trashed way too early at a cost of odd powerscaling and a great villain and a seriously zamasu, gowasu, kibito and shin was the only good thing in those chaps, but it got really good with chapter 20 and 21 but it went back with being ehh with the current chapter.Like man he needs to step up his A game for the next Saga,like get rid of those annoying traits

But hey at least he knows how to portray goku and this scene is hand down one of the funniest moment in DBS

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 22-

Probably the most disappointing chapter of this arc.

Like I said before, Goku treating SSG as normal form is bullshit and now Vegeta has it too. Not gonna lose more sleep on this, whatever.
I love Vegeta's strategy though.

Once again something people criticized a lot in the anime, Goku screw up the Mafuba, came directly from Toriyama. It's always hilarious to find out.

Of couse Gowasu is not dead. Even though Goku Black already killed Gowasu two times with the same attack, for some reason he failed to kill the third one even though he's stronger now...Yeah, Toyotaro right...

Seems like a lot of things I loved in the anime came from Toei: SSB Goku/SSJ FT Trunks vs SSR Black/Immortal Zamasu, Kid Trunks having a serious talk with FT Trunks, SSI FT Trunks, Black's unique attacks, Goku's rage boost and backhand Zamasu (the backhand part was expected) and FT Trunks Genki Sword.

The Father-Son Galick Gun can still happen, otherwise it's just another thing I'm thankful to Toei.
Considering FT Trunks is being treated like a side character in his own arc, I won't hold my breath.

Also, in a story that involves an Evil Goku as a main villain is just normal for me to expect an Evil Goku vs Good Goku fight.
I'm actually surprised the manga doesn't have that and instead Vegeta fights Black three times. Looks like Toriyama's balls are even bigger than I expected to treat the main character like that, but I don't like it.

The anime not only gave me Goku vs Black three times, but it also handled Vegeta vs Black much better.

Manga: Vegeta completely overpowers Black - Black gets a power up and beats Vegeta - Vegeta trains and gets his revenge.
Anime: Vegeta gets screwed by Black's ki blade - Vegeta trains and gets his revenge.

Vegeta's revenge in the anime version is much more satisfying because there wasn't a time he had overpowered Black and he got beaten in a cheap way in their first fight.

Honestly I don't even know what surprised me the most anymore. Goku vs Black not being a thing in Toriyama's script or FT Yajirobe being a Toei's thing.
Never thought Toei would bother to include him if it wasn't by Toriyama request, guess I was wrong. Toei is doing the best to give all characters some screen time, which makes it even more surprising how they didn't bring Lunch back yet.

Goku Black's character is infinitely times better in the anime. I wouldn't love him as much as I do if we only had the manga version.

I loved everything about him in the anime:

- Always Badass entrances. His first one is the best entrance of the entire franchise to me.

- Personality. Never loses his cool, no matter the situation. Unlike in the manga where he panics every time something that he wasn't expecting happens. What a pussy!

- Unique attacks. Just like SSB+Kaioken, once again Toei had the balls to do something creative while Toyotaro doesn't and failed to impress me again because of that.

- Character's development. After get beaten by SSB Vegeta, Black realizes his method to improve should change from "Turn pain into power" to "Turn anger into power".
For the first time he acknowledged that Vegeta, a Human, was right and he was angry at himself. It's a well done scene, but the manga doesn't have any of that because Black doesn't seem to be nothing more than a generic villain created by Toei. Oh the irony...

His beautiful theme and Nozawa's great performance were just the icing on the cake.

Merged Zamasu debut was lame. The anime made it feel like the Supreme God he's supposed to be. Here he was introduced like another normal guy.

At least Toyotaro made a good decision and the Mafuba was done by Goku. That was one of my complaints with this arc in the anime. FT Trunks was able to do everything.
Even though he used Super Saiyan Ikari to do it, I will take the manga version.

The only two things that the manga did better than the anime so far:
- Just two trips back and forth, not three.
- Mafuba is done by Goku, not FT Trunks.

I also liked how Immortal Zamasu fought using his Kaioshin abilities, but after Toyotaro completely ruin Black, I don't feel I should praise him for that.

[mfwlegend3]

Muh sides.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Totamo]

-Chapter 22-

Probably the most disappointing chapter of this arc.

Like I said before, Goku treating SSG as normal form is bullshit and now Vegeta has it too. Not gonna lose more sleep on this, whatever.
I love Vegeta's strategy though.

Once again something people criticized a lot in the anime, Goku screw up the Mafuba, came directly from Toriyama. It's always hilarious to find out.

Of couse Gowasu is not dead. Even though Goku Black already killed Gowasu two times with the same attack, for some reason he failed to kill the third one even though he's stronger now...Yeah, Toyotaro right...

Seems like a lot of things I loved in the anime came from Toei: SSB Goku/SSJ FT Trunks vs SSR Black/Immortal Zamasu, Kid Trunks having a serious talk with FT Trunks, SSI FT Trunks, Black's unique attacks, Goku's rage boost and backhand Zamasu (the backhand part was expected) and FT Trunks Genki Sword.

The Father-Son Galick Gun can still happen, otherwise it's just another thing I'm thankful to Toei.
Considering FT Trunks is being treated like a side character in his own arc, I won't hold my breath.

Also, in a story that involves an Evil Goku as a main villain is just normal for me to expect an Evil Goku vs Good Goku fight.
I'm actually surprised the manga doesn't have that and instead Vegeta fights Black three times. Looks like Toriyama's balls are even bigger than I expected to treat the main character like that, but I don't like it.

The anime not only gave me Goku vs Black three times, but it also handled Vegeta vs Black much better.

Manga: Vegeta completely overpowers Black - Black gets a power up and beats Vegeta - Vegeta trains and gets his revenge.
Anime: Vegeta gets screwed by Black's ki blade - Vegeta trains and gets his revenge.

Vegeta's revenge in the anime version is much more satisfying because there wasn't a time he had overpowered Black and he got beaten in a cheap way in their first fight.

Honestly I don't even know what surprised me the most anymore. Goku vs Black not being a thing in Toriyama's script or FT Yajirobe being a Toei's thing.
Never thought Toei would bother to include him if it wasn't by Toriyama request, guess I was wrong. Toei is doing the best to give all characters some screen time, which makes it even more surprising how they didn't bring Lunch back yet.

Goku Black's character is infinitely times better in the anime. I wouldn't love him as much as I do if we only had the manga version.

I loved everything about him in the anime:

- Always Badass entrances. His first one is the best entrance of the entire franchise to me.

- Personality. Never loses his cool, no matter the situation. Unlike in the manga where he panics every time something that he wasn't expecting happens. What a pussy!

- Unique attacks. Just like SSB+Kaioken, once again Toei had the balls to do something creative while Toyotaro doesn't and failed to impress me again because of that.

- Character's development. After get beaten by SSB Vegeta, Black realizes his method to improve should change from "Turn pain into power" to "Turn anger into power".
For the first time he acknowledged that Vegeta, a Human, was right and he was angry at himself. It's a well done scene, but the manga doesn't have any of that because Black doesn't seem to be nothing more than a generic villain created by Toei. Oh the irony...

His beautiful theme and Nozawa's great performance were just the icing on the cake.

Merged Zamasu debut was lame. The anime made it feel like the Supreme God he's supposed to be. Here he was introduced like another normal guy.

At least Toyotaro made a good decision and the Mafuba was done by Goku. That was one of my complaints with this arc in the anime. FT Trunks was able to do everything.
Even though he used Super Saiyan Ikari to do it, I will take the manga version.

The only two things that the manga did better than the anime so far:
- Just two trips back and forth, not three.
- Mafuba is done by Goku, not FT Trunks.

I also liked how Immortal Zamasu fought using his Kaioshin abilities, but after Toyotaro completely ruin Black, I don't feel I should praise him for that.

There is a huge difference between what the manga did and the anime did.

In the anime, goku forgot the seal and the urn after he also forgot the senzu beans. It became too much of a plot point and lead to the goku is retarded bandwagon.

In the manga, Goku mistook the coupon for the seal, it's an honest mistake and a pretty funny gag. Not to mention Goku even clarified that this technique is not his thing, addressing it.

[Totamo]

I now understand why a lot of people like the manga better and defend it far more than the anime.

Its written and drawn by a fan and it shows. Toyo loves to play homages and explains things that we the fans always wanted to know.

Does it mean it's well written, no. But the Cell saga isn't either and people praise the shit out of that.