"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Araki]

Alright people let's be real here 17 getting this strong especially when you try to apply z logic is stupid but guess what it ain't following that it follows it's own logic.
In super Frieza went from untrained ssj to blue tier in four months.

Wait, that came from RoF, which was released as a Dragon Ball Z movie and entirely written by the author. Super didn't even exist at the time. Doesn't that make it belonging to "Z logic"? Lol.
I find it amusing when people talk as if Super the series had came up with that (if anything, the retelling actually tried to fix some problems within the movie).

Anyway, i also don't understand what's that holy logic that Z used to have. Ever since Namek power levels' gaining went crazy and sometimes plot convenient when necessary, with people reaching within one day levels far above they could in years. 17 himself was an earthtly creation by some old man that managed to be much stronger than the alien emperor of the universe and even super saiyans, an existence that he never knew existed. But somehow some people seem to run away from facing these truths.

[namekiansaiyan]

What has this got to do with Piccolo. Everyone here says that all I talk about is him but about 80% of the time it is people mentioning Piccolo in a reply to me instead. When my username appears on this website it does not mean Piccolo will be discussed.

The second time you mentioned talent was said in a way that he is more talented overall.

I believe it has to do with how people see you are too bias toward Piccolo, feels like if Piccolo was in 17s place you will be the first one to defend him, and in the past iirc you were saying that Gohan didnt deserve to get a powerup/being relevant again.

One of the main reasons why Piccolo and Tien are my 2 favourites is becuase they train non-stop, like fighting, have very distinct fighting style along with a variety of attacks and that they are always calm during battle. To me these are reasons why these 2 should be getting power up before Gohan as he is nothing like these 2. However, since the tournament has 10 fighter on each tram then I don't mind Gohan getting a power up as long as the others get one as well.

And now both Gohan and Piccolo will get powerups, just wait 1 more week for their episode. Maybe we could get development in Piccolo wanting to be useful again, I remember when he said "curse our powerlessness" in the Cell Saga.

Piccolo has history with these power ups especially with his training for the androids. However the reason why 17 shouldn't be this strong is because he has no reason to want to be this strong and had no one to train with either. He spends all his day protecting the island while also having a family loke 18, so how did he train? He admitted evem 2 hours is way too long to leave the island becuase of the poachers and there is no way he got that strong just by being a ranger.

I believe Toriyama just used 17 training all these years to get another strong character easily. He can have his power up but not at the expense of Piccolo and Tien as just like Gohan he does not deserve it as much. If 17 was to get a power up Toriyama should have had 17 and 18 go in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and so we can actually see them train.

Finally, Gohan and Piccolo do look they will get stronger.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Alright people let's be real here 17 getting this strong especially when you try to apply z logic is stupid but guess what it ain't following that it follows it's own logic.
In super Frieza went from untrained ssj to blue tier in four months.

Wait, that came from RoF, which was released as a Dragon Ball Z movie and entirely written by the author. Super didn't even exist at the time. Doesn't that make it belonging to "Z logic"? Lol.
I find it amusing when people talk as if Super the series had came up with that (if anything, the retelling actually tried to fix some problems within the movie).

Anyway, i also don't understand what's that holy logic that Z used to have. Ever since Namek power levels' gaining went crazy and sometimes plot convenient when necessary, with people reaching within one day levels far above they could in years. 17 himself was an earthtly creation by some old man that managed to be much stronger than the alien emperor of the universe and even super saiyans, an existence that he never knew existed. But somehow some people seem to run away from facing these truths.

Exactly! Goku fought Freeza on Namek both going all out & then the next thing we know some retooled Human is supposed to match them both? People like to throw around how bad DBS writing is but somehow Z just gets ignored, it's established why Vegeta didn't get SS then the next arc he just randomly rolls up with it for example. In ResF most of the complaints were about Golden Freeza but not Vegeta randomly turning up with SSGSS, no that's fine cuz he's a Saiyan. For some reason off screen power ups are only okay for Saiyans. If Goku does get a new form watch there be very minor complaining if any compared to this #17 thing.

[emperior]

Alright people let's be real here 17 getting this strong especially when you try to apply z logic is stupid but guess what it ain't following that it follows it's own logic.
In super Frieza went from untrained ssj to blue tier in four months.

Wait, that came from RoF, which was released as a Dragon Ball Z movie and entirely written by the author. Super didn't even exist at the time. Doesn't that make it belonging to "Z logic"? Lol.
I find it amusing when people talk as if Super the series had came up with that (if anything, the retelling actually tried to fix some problems within the movie).

Anyway, i also don't understand what's that holy logic that Z used to have. Ever since Namek power levels' gaining went crazy and sometimes plot convenient when necessary, with people reaching within one day levels far above they could in years. 17 himself was an earthtly creation by some old man that managed to be much stronger than the alien emperor of the universe and even super saiyans, an existence that he never knew existed. But somehow some people seem to run away from facing these truths.

I partly agree with you, though I can understand that people dislike 17 seemingly getting way stronger than Majin Buu off-screen, and it may also make the whole Buu arc a little cheap if the androids always had this crazy potential. I would prefer it if we get a proper explanation to 17's power-up other than "he's been training all this time". At least Freezer's gains in RoF had an explanation behind it, like it or not.

By the way the whole serie is based on power inflation and foes like King Piccolo, Nappa, Saiyan arc/Early Namek Vegeta, Dodoria, Zarbon and Ginyu force were surpassed quite easily by everyone (Goten and Trunks are the prime example of the power inflation of the serie) so even if it's hard to accept after all these years that even the mighty Majin Buu can be surpassed, that's what it is and it's the only way to progress the story without only using the Saiyans (where are the Goku and Vegeta show complains now?)

[SansrivaaL]

The power jumps isnt such a big deal when it comes from new characters, look at it this way, barely anyone reacted in a negative way when Toppo was going toe to toe with SSJB (tho it was mostly him getting stomped) but when a recurring character from the previous 5 arcs instantly leaps through all of those 5 arcs with little to no hype (just an interview where he has potential which can literally be said to anyone in the series) barely got mentioned and was barely shown besides him raising his hand to help Goku forming the spirit bomb in Boo saga gets to above SSJ3 tier.... expect some people to go "What.the.hell?" Now we use Future Trunks and Frieza.
Frieza's was as fcked up but less irritating for 2 reasons, he had a reason to push himself because of his obsession on killing Goku, 2nd he unlocked a new form.
Future Trunks went through a lot of crazy scenario's to reach such levels of power, its the rage thing plus him training with Vegeta who got training from a God, yet another 2 good reason, rage boost emotion plus new form.
Now we go to 17.... working as a poacher protecting animals... how did he get so strong that from below SSJ2 Teen Gohan levels to instantly above SSJ3 levels? did he unlock a new form? no, did he have a reason to push himself to train to get to where he is now? probably.... from protecting animals and fighting poachers? for protecting the earth and his loved ones? (doubt it, he looked like he didnt care for universal destruction at all and went with "what happens will happen")
We have another episode for 17, maybe he will say something like how he got to that level, but I'm not counting on it that much.

What I can look for in a positive light here is, 17 is cool, I like his personality compared to the others (this boy jumped to my top 4 or 5 from just 1 episode) plus its reassuring to have him this strong, yeah we can count on Vegeta's power, but as a team player? not so much, Boo isnt really someone you can rely on and Gohan is... well he's 50-50 most of the time when that cocky personality of his kicks in (saddest part is Vegeta,Gohan and Goku are saiyans, expect them to prolong the fight even if the universe is at stake, thats just how they are), but 17 mellowed down and looks like the type of character that will get shit done with no playin around, depending on the reason as to why he will participate will play a good factor here.

Bottom line yes I didnt like the power leap, but I can live with it, it wasnt that bad that it can take away how I enjoy the series. Now if CGI comes into play with the action scenes thats when I draw the line.

[Ki Breaker]

A request to all who experience super as a legitimately good show..
I would like to know certain things, to look at it from a different perspective..

Why watch it? Would you have done the same if it wasn't Dragonball content?

What separates super from Z? Which one of them do you enjoy the most and why?

Do you feel people who don't like Super have their facts twisted? Do you not understand how they aren't enjoying such good show? Or are you neutral towards this situation?

If all defending is forgotten, you are enjoying it yourself, Does it really make sense with the pre established lore to you?


Let's keep this clean, no twisted talk or sarcastic remarks, let's also not quote people replying to this, let everyone speak their mind this once without having to engage in the war..

P.S. If this is more suitable for a separate thread, let me know, I will move it

[zamasu121]

A request to all who experience super as a legitimately good show..
I would like to know certain things, to look at it from a different perspective..

Why watch it? Would you have done the same if it wasn't Dragonball content?

What separates super from Z? Which one of them do you enjoy the most and why?

Do you feel people who don't like Super have their facts twisted? Do you not understand how they aren't enjoying such good show? Or are you neutral towards this situation?

If all defending is forgotten, you are enjoying it yourself, Does it really make sense with the pre established lore to you?


Let's keep this clean, no twisted talk or sarcastic remarks, let's also not quote people replying to this, let everyone speak their mind this once without having to engage in the war..

P.S. If this is more suitable for a separate thread, let me know, I will move it

i stopped watching super since episode 64 because they are going over the top to break the power scale, but lets not act like z didn't pull off the same shit with piccolo.

[Ki Breaker]

i stopped watching super since episode 64 because they are going over the top to break the power scale, but lets not act like z didn't pull off the same shit with piccolo.

Please answer all the questions presented in the post, it's not meant to spark another war..
Thank you

[zamasu121]

i stopped watching super since episode 64 because they are going over the top to break the power scale, but lets not act like z didn't pull off the same shit with piccolo.

Please answer all the questions presented in the post, it's not meant to spark another war..
Thank you

like i told you i stopped watching the series for now, so no, i don't think super is a good series.

[Ki Breaker]

i stopped watching super since episode 64 because they are going over the top to break the power scale, but lets not act like z didn't pull off the same shit with piccolo.

Please answer all the questions presented in the post, it's not meant to spark another war..
Thank you

like i told you i stopped watching the series for now, so no, i don't think super is a good series.

This is a call to people who do watch it and find it entertaining..
If you aren't meeting requirements you aren't required to contribute, if you still want to, please follow the questions..
Thank you for your contribution

[Draconic]

A request to all who experience super as a legitimately good show..
I would like to know certain things, to look at it from a different perspective..

Why watch it? Would you have done the same if it wasn't Dragonball content?

What separates super from Z? Which one of them do you enjoy the most and why?

Do you feel people who don't like Super have their facts twisted? Do you not understand how they aren't enjoying such good show? Or are you neutral towards this situation?

If all defending is forgotten, you are enjoying it yourself, Does it really make sense with the pre established lore to you?


Let's keep this clean, no twisted talk or sarcastic remarks, let's also not quote people replying to this, let everyone speak their mind this once without having to engage in the war..

P.S. If this is more suitable for a separate thread, let me know, I will move it

I'd start another thread. This one is already cluttered with bullshit, but I would be more than happy to answer those questions as someone who likes Super.

[The gr]

A request to all who experience super as a legitimately good show..
I would like to know certain things, to look at it from a different perspective..

Why watch it? Would you have done the same if it wasn't Dragonball content?

What separates super from Z? Which one of them do you enjoy the most and why?

Do you feel people who don't like Super have their facts twisted? Do you not understand how they aren't enjoying such good show? Or are you neutral towards this situation?

If all defending is forgotten, you are enjoying it yourself, Does it really make sense with the pre established lore to you?


Let's keep this clean, no twisted talk or sarcastic remarks, let's also not quote people replying to this, let everyone speak their mind this once without having to engage in the war..

P.S. If this is more suitable for a separate thread, let me know, I will move it

I would be happy to answers​ those since I'm one of the few out there who thinks critically to this franchise as a whole

1-i watch it because is a continuation of DB,one of my​ favorite anime,I want to see how this franchise end, and I watch any manga or anime that peak my interest like OPM and yyh, because super have interesting premises

2-i say super have introduced character with unique figthing style,a villain with actual motivation, and the universe survival arc already broke the status quo of saiyan only being revelant but I enjoy z more because the saiyans and namek is way better than DBS currently, but I will wait DBS to finish, to fully judge this franchise

3-I'm neutral towards this situation,i really don't know how to answer that, sorry

4-i say probably not, with the amount of god character introduced, and the main character befriended two of them,is just ruins the tension, and the 10 years of peace doesn't make sense anymore thanks to DBS

[Beyond]

17 is basically the Piccolo of super. He got the gains that Piccolo got during the android saga except scaled up over 10 years. They both went from weak as shit to strong as fuck. People down play both their gains to. Piccolo was definitely stronger than Frieza before fusing with Kami, and people stay in denial about that. Just like they have to down play 17 right now. Goten and Trunks are even worse than Piccolo and 17. At least those two actually worked for it. You either call out all the BS or none of it.

[sophitia]

A request to all who experience super as a legitimately good show..
I would like to know certain things, to look at it from a different perspective..

Why watch it? Would you have done the same if it wasn't Dragonball content?

What separates super from Z? Which one of them do you enjoy the most and why?

Do you feel people who don't like Super have their facts twisted? Do you not understand how they aren't enjoying such good show? Or are you neutral towards this situation?

If all defending is forgotten, you are enjoying it yourself, Does it really make sense with the pre established lore to you?


Let's keep this clean, no twisted talk or sarcastic remarks, let's also not quote people replying to this, let everyone speak their mind this once without having to engage in the war..

P.S. If this is more suitable for a separate thread, let me know, I will move it

1. I watch it because I love Dragon Ball. If it's not Dragon Ball? I dunno, can't imagine other anime that have fight like this and have transformation.

2. To be perfectly honest? I like Super more. I grew up with 42 volume of DB manga. Dunno why but there's so much dissatisfaction when I see DBZ stalling the battle scenes. Like I just discovered recently on Youtube that the supposedly transformed SSJ2 Gohan went back to SSJ1 in the next episode for whatever reason.
So for me DB Manga >>>>>>>> DBS > DBZ
Super (from Champa arc onward) tries to be different.
-Like introducting whatever ability Botamo, Magenta, Hit and Trio dedanger (the poison one )have. Somehow character with lower power level still have a chance, especially in this Tournament of Power.
-And at least Zamasu and Black is not one dimensional bad guy.

3. Kinda neutral here. The complain I can agree with is the Power level complain. But eh, ever since SSJ2 Vegeta surpassed SSJ3 Goku, kinda gave up on power level. The animation is getting better on thw important fights now, which is all that matter for me.

4. By pre established lore, do you mean power level? See above.

[Beyond]

Tbh the only really good power ups in the Z in my opinion was Goku's SSJ1,Trunks' SSJ1, and Gohan's SSJ2.
I'd say The Kami fusion was also alright because it was foreshadowed in namek. King kai's training for Goku was also pretty great. The oozaru form was good. The rest were kind of suspect. Zenkai's are the worst ones for the simple reason they started this power inflation BS to begin with.

[zamasu121]

17 is basically the Piccolo of super. He got the gains that Piccolo got during the android saga except scaled up over 10 years. They both went from weak as shit to strong as fuck. People down play both their gains to. Piccolo was definitely stronger than Frieza before fusing with Kami, and people stay in denial about that. Just like they have to down play 17 right now. Goten and Trunks are even worse than Piccolo and 17. At least those two actually worked for it. You either call out all the BS or none of it.

[Ki Breaker]

A request to all who experience super as a legitimately good show..
I would like to know certain things, to look at it from a different perspective..

Why watch it? Would you have done the same if it wasn't Dragonball content?

What separates super from Z? Which one of them do you enjoy the most and why?

Do you feel people who don't like Super have their facts twisted? Do you not understand how they aren't enjoying such good show? Or are you neutral towards this situation?

If all defending is forgotten, you are enjoying it yourself, Does it really make sense with the pre established lore to you?


Let's keep this clean, no twisted talk or sarcastic remarks, let's also not quote people replying to this, let everyone speak their mind this once without having to engage in the war..

P.S. If this is more suitable for a separate thread, let me know, I will move it

I'd start another thread. This one is already cluttered with bullshit, but I would be more than happy to answer those questions as someone who likes Super.

A new thread has been created..

Further contributions can be done in the separate thread provided above

[MrBlackFox]

Piccolo will be hyped only to be humiliated badly at the tournament
Story of his useless life :'(

[Beyond]

Piccolo will be hyped only to be humiliated badly at the tournament
Story of his useless life :'(

[TheMikado]

17 is basically the Piccolo of super. He got the gains that Piccolo got during the android saga except scaled up over 10 years. They both went from weak as shit to strong as fuck. People down play both their gains to. Piccolo was definitely stronger than Frieza before fusing with Kami, and people stay in denial about that. Just like they have to down play 17 right now. Goten and Trunks are even worse than Piccolo and 17. At least those two actually worked for it. You either call out all the BS or none of it.

I've stated my thoughts on this in another thread but I'll reply to this.
1) I don't think 19/20 were as strong as final form frieza or even 50% frieza. Nothing really implies they are. In fact I think they were so weak that they were probably originally defeated in Trunks timeline even without SSJ Goku/Vegeta but 17/18 still got activated.

2) There's nothing to imply Piccolo was stronger than Frieza unless you also assume 19/20 were. Further I also don't believe Piccolo was as weak as we think. Both 2nd form Frieza and Piccolo were holding back when Frieza made the over 1 million statement. Piccolo even had weighted clothes on when he was clearly over that 1 million mark. Its possible he could have be the low millions at that point. As for being stronger than Frieza? See point 1.

3) Goten and Trunks, there was absolutely no excuse for it and in universe every single character called them out on it and how absolutely nuts it was. Literally every character who saw how strong they were and go SSJ had their jaws drop, Chichi, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, no one treated that like an everyday power up and called it out in universe.