What's everyone's thoughts on *SPOILER* ​coming back?

[Chuquita]

You know, one thing that makes me think this Freeza stuff might just be a one and done ordeal is the fact the episode is supervised by Kitano. 17, Gohan, Krillin, Buu himself, all were treated like important episodes, supervised by the best guys who work on the show. Would they really give Kitano such a big episode?

Unless the episode ends with Goku getting to Hell and it's the next one where Freeza actually appears in any major capacity.

I like this theory.

93's also being written by Fukushima, and they tend to get lighter, fillery episodes. Like Fukushima's most recent eps were 89 and 83.

Is there any way to guess by rotation who probably is doing 94?

[Forte224]

Honestly I'm excited about it. If I could choose between Buu or Frieza, I'd choose Frieza just to see how he acts while working with the good guys. To be honest Buu could totally cheese the tournament by turning everyone into unbreakable candy and pushing them off the ring couldn't he?

Either way, I do wish Frieza would replace Roshi instead of Buu. That way we'd have former villains from nearly every arc since the beginning of Dragon Ball, wouldn't we? Excluding a couple arcs, mainly the Pilaf arc. Think about it, 17 and 18 represent Red Ribbon, Tien from when he was a kind of villain, Piccolo represents King Piccolo, Vegeta from the Saiyan arc, Frieza from the Frieza arc, 17 and 18 again from the Android/Cell arc, and then Buu from the Buu arc. Dang, that would've been cool

[Lord Frieza]

You know I happened upon Hail Zeon's thoughts about this today and hell froze over today because we actually agreed on something.

I used to pop by his channel, despite how much I really disagree with his views, for the odd bit of perspective. Much like I'm a happy to read genuinely well thought out complaints against Super to get a good idea of what the otherside thinks. To see the guy show some genuine intreast, thoughts about how this could work and how they mirror my own was shocking. Also Like me he was not happy Buu was the one who got benched and like me, we dont really want Frieza to be redeemed or become good. Also there is the risk Toei could mess it up.

For my part, Toei has nearly always messed up only when trying to make weaker characters relevant and it has also universally been the heroes. When it comes to Villains and antagonists they tend to do a much better job. Plus Frieza is already in the God Tier already so they dont have to pull a "SSR" or "Genki Sword" out there asses this time.

You know, one thing that makes me think this Freeza stuff might just be a one and done ordeal is the fact the episode is supervised by Kitano. 17, Gohan, Krillin, Buu himself, all were treated like important episodes, supervised by the best guys who work on the show. Would they really give Kitano such a big episode?

Unless the episode ends with Goku getting to Hell and it's the next one where Freeza actually appears in any major capacity.

That could be the case but think about it, the Universal Tournament should be kicking of not long after 93, so a lot of the better supervises may be scheduled to get opening and start of this long awaited event underway.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't mind Frieza returning. In fact, given the stakes, I like this idea.

What pisses me off beyond belief is Buu getting shafted again. He was the character I was most excited about after he got buff. Why keep Roshi or Tien over Buu? Terrible decision. Ugh...

[Shinda Forever]

I'm fine with it.
Buu is just a retard while Frieza is a serious villain full of potential possibly with more transformations to keep up with Goku and surpass Vegeta.

[Cipher]

You know, one thing that makes me think this Freeza stuff might just be a one and done ordeal is the fact the episode is supervised by Kitano. 17, Gohan, Krillin, Buu himself, all were treated like important episodes, supervised by the best guys who work on the show. Would they really give Kitano such a big episode?

I wouldn't take that as an indicator of anything besides it being a dialogue-heavy, action-light episode.

He also did the first half of 67, right? That was an enormously important episode for the narrative.

The recruitment/spotlight episodes were all structured around at least one flashy action setpiece. We're likely due for a break from those for a couple of weeks before the tournament forces them again.

[DainIronfoot]

I don't know, it might seem far fetched, but I still don't think him being in the tournament itself is set in stone yet. I still have the weirdest feeling that something may happen and Freeza can't join, leaving them in a state of panic until Yamcha comes in and fills the spot. I can definitely see that happening from Toriyama lol

[dbgtFO]

I don't know, it might seem far fetched, but I still don't think him being in the tournament itself is set in stone yet. I still have the weirdest feeling that something may happen and Freeza can't join, leaving them in a state of panic until Yamcha comes in and fills the spot. I can definitely see that happening from Toriyama lol

I can too for a final twist to this massive twist.

[Draconic]

You know, one thing that makes me think this Freeza stuff might just be a one and done ordeal is the fact the episode is supervised by Kitano. 17, Gohan, Krillin, Buu himself, all were treated like important episodes, supervised by the best guys who work on the show. Would they really give Kitano such a big episode?

I wouldn't take that as an indicator of anything besides it being a dialogue-heavy, action-light episode.

He also did the first half of 67, right? That was an enormously important episode for the narrative.

The recruitment/spotlight episodes were all structured around at least one flashy action setpiece. We're likely due for a break from those for a couple of weeks before the tournament forces them again.

Well, that's true. I guess it's just my wishful thinking. I just don't want Buu gone

On an unrelated note:
I've heard the idea thrown around by the "haters" of the idea that Freeza should just be knocked out right away. No! That's even worse! If you bring the guy back, this time as an ally, you better make the most out of the dynamic.
It's pretty much impossible to happen, but to see people ok with this concept pains me. There is still potential here, more than in any other of Freeza's comebacks. To just waste it all on a gag makes everything pointless. I get it, it's kinda dumb, I dislike it too, but this is taking it too far.

[spencer7x7]

All I can say is that with this, Super is FINALLY better than GT. Even if for some reason Frieza doesn't really join.

[Asura]

Kinda surprised at how the majority seems to welcome and be thankful to the idea.

I mean, Freeza fighting alongside Goku is kinda cool I guess? But Buu gets shafted for the third time for the same reason all three times which is horrific writing. Not only that, this will be what...the 3rd time Freeza is brought back to life? How many times can you bring a villain back before it gets old? Hint: It was already old in RoF

I'm really disappointed that they did not decide to go with Cell on this one. To me that would be far more exciting and interesting, especially given Cell would be the perfect teammate to everyone considering he has piece of all of them inside him. Not only that, he would be the most logical choice given that he was easily the most sane and composed of all of the villains, and would probably be fine with the prospect of helping Goku if he could be revived. Hell, he'd probably be a decent sparring partner for Cell, which Cell would probably enjoy too.

I mean, people keep saying he's too weak but we have Tenshinhan and Master Roshi on the team so I mean, is that even an argument at this point? Hell he's got Freeza's cells in him too, right? You could do some asspull bullshit where he trains for 2 months and becomes SSB level. I mean that would be lame but, I wouldn't put it past them.

[Lord Frieza]

The recruitment/spotlight episodes were all structured around at least one flashy action setpiece.

There is definitely going to be one if Goku just has Baba summon Frieza without talking to him first. If Frieza finds himself in an unknown place, free and with Goku right in front of him...well "ROUND 1! FIGHT!"

Even if he dose talk to him first Frieza wont miss the chance to at least smash him strait in the face.....for old times sake of caurse

[GodKaio-Ken]

Kinda surprised at how the majority seems to welcome and be thankful to the idea.

I mean, Freeza fighting alongside Goku is kinda cool I guess? But Buu gets shafted for the third time for the same reason all three times which is horrific writing. Not only that, this will be what...the 3rd time Freeza is brought back to life? How many times can you bring a villain back before it gets old? Hint: It was already old in RoF

I'm really disappointed that they did not decide to go with Cell on this one. To me that would be far more exciting and interesting, especially given Cell would be the perfect teammate to everyone considering he has piece of all of them inside him. Not only that, he would be the most logical choice given that he was easily the most sane and composed of all of the villains, and would probably be fine with the prospect of helping Goku if he could be revived. Hell, he'd probably be a decent sparring partner for Cell, which Cell would probably enjoy too.

I mean, people keep saying he's too weak but we have Tenshinhan and Master Roshi on the team so I mean, is that even an argument at this point? Hell he's got Freeza's cells in him too, right? You could do some asspull bullshit where he trains for 2 months and becomes SSB level. I mean that would be lame but, I wouldn't put it past them.

As I've been saying Buu, Cell and Freeza should have been involved from the start. It could have been a great way to play the Goku looking like the "bad guy" trying to save the universe flanked by a team that has massacred billions or trillions or more.


Fwiw I dont see Goku at fault but if they wanted to play that card I'm saying.

[julianix]

If they just troll us with Buu and Freeza I'm going to lose my shit. They better not have Freeza say no and just go back to his cocoon of fairy dust.

[funrush]

It better be for real. Most of the past 7 episodes, aside from the U6 stuff, has been filler, and not very great filler at that. I don't need to be teased more.

The idea of Freeza having to cooperate with Goku is very interesting and in the spirit of Dragon Ball, so I hope it's true for that purpose too.

[excelhedge]

If it's true I just wanna know how they'll get him to "play nice" with everyone.

[The gr]

Hail zeon was right, this is only thing That's​ interesting in this Damn arc, because these recruitment episode are Boring , frieza provide tension and drama for the team,he is the x factor.He is very unpredictable, he could Team with an enemy let's say Frost,or Make one of his comrade eliminated,it could make this match more difficult for Goku and friends and it doesn't help someone targeted u7, making the match tense

last point, goku have to tell the real cause of the torunament to everyone, because he brought frieza as an act of desperation,it would be stupid if no one question this strange gamble

You know, one thing that makes me think this Freeza stuff might just be a one and done ordeal is the fact the episode is supervised by Kitano. 17, Gohan, Krillin, Buu himself, all were treated like important episodes, supervised by the best guys who work on the show. Would they really give Kitano such a big episode?

Unless the episode ends with Goku getting to Hell and it's the next one where Freeza actually appears in any major capacity.

uh don't you think there saving the big guys for the big battle Royale, and I think Kitano is good for the weird and funny episode with no action because it would be dumb if they hire a A class supervisor for an episode that looks like it won't have action

[MegaBossMan]

Overall, now that the initial shock is over, I don't think I dislike the thought of Frieza coming back for the tournament; it's an interesting idea and as long as they don't try to sweeten Freeza and Goku's relationship to be buddy-pals-friendly rivals, it'll be moreso the execution of Freeza's role than the concept that'll make it or break it for me. Besides, for a lot of my general Dragon Ball friends, this'll be an incredibly easy way to get them on Super. Freeza's begrudgingly working with Goku in a new arc? It's an incredibly fun idea if you're not as invested into the series like most Dragon Ball fans on Kanzenshuu are. It also means that Resurrection F has a further role beyond just introducing Super Saiyan Blue like many others have already mentioned.

However, seeing Majin Buu getting kicked out of the team is seriously disappointing. He's always been the tricky powerhouse when he's present, and especially disappointing after his starring role in the Zen Exhibition matches. Personally, I really would have preferred that Majin Buu was part of the initial team going in and got a match or two in before being replaced. He could have been killed by an intimidating fighter from another universe's team to be set up as opposition for our heroes besides Universe 11 in the tournament, or perhaps maybe Basil to avenge his humiliation in the Zen Exhibition match by utilizing his time between the match and the tournament to find a possible weakness for Buu, and since killing as far as I recall is against the rules of the Tournament of Power, Universe 7 is given a freebie for another team member to take Buu's place in a limited amount of time, hence why Goku's pressured to pick Frieza of all people and why his team have to ultimately accept they've no other choice but to work alongside the galactic tyrant. Of course, more opportunity for Toei to poke Yamcha in his ribs as well for more nyuk-nyuk-you suck humor. It still gives Buu a last hurrah in the tournament as well as giving a better reason for his absence besides the same basic he fell asleep excuse, as well as demonstrating Freeza as more of a desperate last-minute decision. It's not a sound-proof idea, don't get me wrong, but something along the lines of still giving Buu a good send-off and match or two while still excusing Freeza of all people would've been much preferable to what we seem to be getting. Oh well.

[Rozay]

I share my sentiments with a lot of you guys: bringing Freeza again is not THAT creative but can be done well if executed right, I really like the thought of a true villain (not a rehabbed villain) being on the team as it is a Universe Survival thing, but Buu getting replaced was really shitty, especially with the repetitive excuse.

All of this does, I think, is to provide us with a real telling of what Toriyama's work looks like when his direction is mostly unfiltered. Maybe this is not a popular opinion, but everyone knows that in the days of DBZ, Toriyama's ideas and direction were constantly checked by his editors. Now, Dragon Ball was never a pantheon of logic, but when he had to come up with a solution to that, things generally went well. On Super though it seems that the general plot is his alone, and they (or Toyotaro in the manga) fill the blanks as needed. Seems like some of those blanks are being barely filled by Toei, right? But I don't know that we can blame 'em if the plot they receive was literally "Buu gets replaced by Freeza because he's asleep again".

Of course we don't know that, at least not until we see if that deviates in Toyotaro's version. And I would never really defend Toei. Toriyama, though, admits he likes to surprise people, that he may very well go against popular opinion just because, and that he places his emphasis in excitement and drama over a well thought-out, logically thread story. If we think about it, there has been MANY times when general discussion about Dragon Ball got a spike because of a storyline twist or overall decision that seemed out of left field, and most times, had little to no satisfying explanation. Hell, last arc was full of those. The trend to me feels like classic Toriyama. And he accomplished what he set out to do, this Freeza-for-Boo thing got people going again, same as the Goku Black reveal, all the time travel theories, Trunks' power, Female Broly, etc.

I'm not defending anyone, not Toriyama, nor Toei. I just wrote this to point out that they know what they're doing, because they (and especially Toriyama) seem to routinely get the results they want. It's just that they don't particularly care about some things we care about, or they have a penchant for defying those, with no other reason than defiance. But to say that they're clueless and they're "ruining" Super is misguided because the show's overall direction was like this from the start.

[Vaughngief]

Freeza coming back to join the team is interesting enough. It'll be cool to see how he works along side Krillin, Goku, etc (if he does at all) and his interactions with Frost should be fun.

Still, I'd have much rather seen Yamcha show up. I've been enjoying Super, but I'm still waiting for something to happen on my wishlist (a good Yamcha fight and/or Bardock showing up in some way).