"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

I'm waiting for the translations before fully judging....but it looks like a different kind of bad. Not 66 bad, but only time will tell.

[Legion]

I hope that Vegito damaged Merged Zamasu....

[Basako]

So Vegito couldn't do the job but Goku will... OK

And of course some Trunks assoull.. But at least with explanation.

Poor Vegeta... Even he has to say that Goku is better than him... again

Vegetto could but defused. Goku for now nothing, as we have the last page and MZ is still alive. Trunks what? Poor Vegeta, that's true, but he had his Black fights.

MZ uses a vortex to punch Goku but Goku punches him too!

[LightBing]

So Vegito couldn't do the job but Goku will... OK

And of course some Trunks assoull.. But at least with explanation.

Poor Vegeta... Even he has to say that Goku is better than him... again

Vegetto was man-handling Absolute Zamasu. I advise you to read the previous chapter again.

[SansrivaaL]

Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm waiting for the translations before fully judging....but it looks like a different kind of bad. Not 66 bad, but only time will tell.

Basically what I understand:
Since Trunks was a apprentice to Kaioshin in the future he can heal. Vegeta said to heal Goku because he has perfected SSSGSS, Trunks does so. Zamasu and Goku spar for a bit then cliff hanger.

Seems a like a bit of disappointing chapter in all honesty.

[Lord Beerus]

SS2 Vegeta beated the shit out of SS Black, while SS2 Trunks couldn't do shit against base Black. Vegeta even says that Trunks shouldn't be able to beat SS Black at the level he is, and he is as strong as SS3 Goku. So, there is no doubt that Vegeta's SS2 form is stronger than Trunks', unless if base Trunks is over x50 weaker than Vegeta... which he's not.

I originally asked that question in regards as to whether Vegeta kept his rage boost. I don't think he did. I just think he became a lot more powerful from training with Whis and in the ROSAT. I mean, that's the only logical way that SSJ2 Vegeta would be more powerful than SSJ Goku Black who is also far stronger than SSJ3 Goku. But of course, that would mean Vegeta became at least 400 times more powerful from training with Whis and spending three years in the ROSAT.

If that was the case, Vegeta would have been 2000 times stronger than Goku. Which he's not. How is that more logical than assuming that Vegeta made his SS2 even stronger?

But there's never any kind of comment or implication, prior to him fighting Goku Black or even Future Trunks fighting Goku, that Vegeta actually kept his Rage Boost. And if he did, why did he not think about using it at any point in the Champa arc? I think it was just a major goof on Toyotaro's part.

[Draconic]

So Goku has mastered Super Saiyan Blue by keeping it's power inside. The "meditating" scene is him getting his aura back inside. He is using it to stall Zamasu till he defuses (as per the narrator).

Trunks became Kaioshin's disciple by a 24h long ceremony including a funky dance, ala the Potential Unlock ritual. So he's probably going Ultimate next chapter.

[Kanassa]

Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?

Trunks can do what!? Was this established in another chapter?

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?

Um what.....why? He was getting his ass kicked too by Merged Zamasu.....

[perucho1990]

Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?

Vegeta shouldve said that he already time his time in the spotlight so let Goku fight now.

This is some DBGT level of dialogue tbh.

[Lord Beerus]

There wasnt anything with both Goku and Vegeta giving their Ki to Trunks, we already saw other characters giving their Ki to someone else to boost him up(Gohan/Krillin on Piccolo, Goku to Frieza, etc).

I'm referring to the resistance, aka random people with no kind of ki control, suddenly glowing and getting their energy pulled to Trunks. Giving your energy to someone is one thing, and getting your energy taken in by the Spirit Bomb is another. Trunks never learned the Spirit Bomb, so he shouldn't be able to do that.

My headcannon is that the only actual technique in the spirit bomb is taking energy from unwilling or otherwise unable participants, with the first two times he was taking energy from things like animals and plants. But in the Buu saga he needed much more energy, so he took it from the people, but he needed them to want to give it to him; no one ever tells the people of earth how to give out energy, they just give out energy because they want too. So, with the resistance, they're overwhelming desire to help Trunks and because they're connections to him (Fuck, he's basically the Mr Satan figure of their timeline) allows them give out their energy like the Earthlings did in the Buu saga.

Really, they should of just of had Bulma go "Hey, Buu was immortal, right? HEY, EVERYBODY! PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR!"

Your theory is really solid, Kanassa.

Just add another point, to actually perform the Genki Dama, the potential user of the technique must have a pure heart. And yet in the Cell arc we get this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Maybe you can brute force a Genki Dama?

[SansrivaaL]

Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?

Trunks can do what!? Was this established in another chapter?

They use the word "kaifuku" it means heal.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But there's never any kind of comment or implication, prior to him fighting Goku Black or even Future Trunks fighting Goku, that Vegeta actually kept his Rage Boost.

Looking at the manga alone, there is no indication that his rage boost against Beerus was temporary, which made him stronger than SS3 Goku & Ultimate Gohan. And Trunks was stated to have made his SS2 form as strong as SS3. Why is it so hard to believe that Vegeta did the same, but on a bigger level? A level we know for a fact that he reached in BoG?

And if he did, why did he not think about using it at any point in the Champa arc? I think it was just a major goof on Toyotaro's part.

How is it a goof? Why would Vegeta use it? He only fought against opponents he could handle with regular Super Saiyan (Frost, Cabba, Magetta), and then he was forced to use SSB against Hit from the start.

[Lord Beerus]

Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?

WHAT!?!

That makes no fucking sense with what we saw in the last chapter. And since when could Future Trunks restore physical power? What an asspull. That's even worse than Future Trunks learning the Mafuba in a few minutes.

[Alruneia]

I'm referring to the resistance, aka random people with no kind of ki control, suddenly glowing and getting their energy pulled to Trunks. Giving your energy to someone is one thing, and getting your energy taken in by the Spirit Bomb is another. Trunks never learned the Spirit Bomb, so he shouldn't be able to do that.

My headcanon is that the only actual technique in the spirit bomb is taking energy from unwilling or otherwise unable participants, with the first two times he was taking energy from things like animals and plants. But in the Buu saga he needed much more energy, so he took it from the people, but he needed them to want to give it to him; no one ever tells the people of earth how to give out energy, they just give out energy because they want too. So, with the resistance, they're overwhelming desire to help Trunks and because they're connections to him (Fuck, he's basically the Mr Satan figure of their timeline) allows them give out their energy like the Earthlings did in the Buu saga.

Really, they should've just have had Bulma go "Hey, Buu was immortal, right? HEY, EVERYBODY! PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR!"

I'll accept that. I mean, apart from that, it's just a ball of energy. Making an energy orb isn't much of a technique. Even Yamcha could do that.

[Basako]

So Goku has mastered Super Saiyan Blue by keeping it's power inside. The "meditating" scene is him getting his aura back inside. He is using it to stall Zamasu till he defuses (as per the narrator).

Trunks became Kaioshin's disciple by a 24h long ceremony including a funky dance, ala the Potential Unlock ritual. So he's probably going Ultimate next chapter.

This sounds amazing to me! It's true Goku meditated in this same arc included. Fixing the SSB stamina problem would be great, this had its reason to justify Vegeta loosing against Hit, but it was a bad for everything else. If Trunks goes ultimate... I have no words.

[Nejishiki]

Just add another point, to actually perform the Genki Dama, the potential user of the technique must have a pure heart.

That's exclusive to Dragon Ball Z Movie 7 (cited by Kuririn). As far as I'm aware, that's not established elsewhere thus Cell's potential usage is fair play in the original story.

[Grimlock]

I can't freaking believe. Almost one year now and the manga is still in Future Trunks saga. When do they intend to end this?

[Lord Beerus]

But there's never any kind of comment or implication, prior to him fighting Goku Black or even Future Trunks fighting Goku, that Vegeta actually kept his Rage Boost.

Looking at the manga alone, there is no indication that his rage boost against Beerus was temporary, which made him stronger than SS3 Goku & Ultimate Gohan. And Trunks was stated to have made his SS2 form as strong as SS3. Why is it so hard to believe that Vegeta did the same, but on a bigger level? A level we know for a fact that he reached in BoG?

And if he did, why did he not think about using it at any point in the Champa arc? I think it was just a major goof on Toyotaro's part.

How is it a goof? Why would Vegeta use it? He only fought against opponents he could handle with regular Super Saiyan (Frost, Cabba, Magetta), and then he was forced to use SSB against Hit from the start.

And there was never indication it was permanent either. Much like every other Rage Boost we see in the series, they are always temporary.

And if Vegeta knew how monstrously strong his SSJ2 form was, he would have needed to to act like an idiot and use SSJB on Cabba.