Editorial: The Placement of Movies 8 and 10.

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Post by Dragon Ball Daisuki » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:12 pm

It's an interesting quirk, Chi-chi's single-minded overbearingness. But it isn't her essential nature. There have been occasions when her reason overrode it. Typically, I tend to gravitate toward the time she encouraged Son to go ahead and train Gohan after he woke up from his heart attack-induced coma (could we call it a coma?)... with the thought that, after the Artificial Humans were dealt with, Gohan could return to his studies. But the Artificial Humans weren't dealt with. And suddenly, Cell became the threat no one on Earth could ignore.

Sure, Goku's faced planet-smashing baddies before. But everything about this was different. Our thrill-seeking Super Saiya-jin didn't want to train. He wanted to sleep in meadows and go on picnics. People were fleeing to the country side. There's just this overwhelming feeling that the world was at its end. And more likely than not, Goku sensed his end was near as well. If not in terms of livlihood, then in the sense that Gohan would soon be occupying his role.

Chi-chi isn't that two-dimensional. Give the old girl some credit! 8)

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Post by Dark Vegeta-Sama » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:30 pm

Dragon Ball Daisuki wrote:Chi-chi isn't that two-dimensional. Give the old girl some credit! 8)
I'm sorry, but a bitch is a bitch. :wink:

I understand what you mean, but I've never been all that impressed with her as a character. Dragonball's main female characters all seem to be a little crazy, but Chi Chi is by far the worst.

And really, were people fleeing the streets all that much? Yeah, there were some people doing this initially, but once Mr. Satan stood up and announced that he'd be fighting Cell, people all became so sure that he could beat Cell and calmed down a bit.

Really, it's been so long since I've seen these episodes anyway. You're probably more right than I am since I'm trying to think back to stuff I last saw over 6 years ago.

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Post by Dragon Ball Daisuki » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:51 pm

I was under the impression that everybody else was kind of disturbed by his happy go lucky behavior... but whatever. its obvious this is just one area where we interpret a character/event differently. its all cool.

I just find it somewhat... unnatural... that Goku and Company train for Super Big Threat, chill out for a week, go into outer space to fight Super Duper Big Threat, then come home to deal with Original Big Threat. It seems like Cell should be easy in comparison?

The main problems are: Goku and Gohan aren't fully developed and with a nifty trick like that "Internal Genki Dama" or whatever the hell it was... yes. I should like to try that on Cell's head.

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Post by Thanos6 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:53 pm

Of course, you could always say that Goku's pride would force him to play by Cell's rules (like against "Majunior" at the Budokai) and keep him from trying that.

And even if he did, Vegeta probably wouldn't be up to doing it twice.
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Re: Editorial: The Placement of Movies 8 and 10.

Post by Metrite » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:20 am

Duo wrote:the physical changes in Gohan between Level 1 and 2 are basically non-existent
Vegeta's the only one you can't really tell the difference of. Goku and Gohan's hair change enough that you can clearly tell.

And if you want to talk about how far the series was during production, it's a matter of where the manga was, rather than the anime, of course.
I don't think it was a Spirit Bomb that Goku used on Broli? Though the concept was similar.
The name for that particular move from daizenshu 7 is "Ki no Jiyouto".

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Post by Dark Vegeta-Sama » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:05 am

Thanos6 wrote:Of course, you could always say that Goku's pride would force him to play by Cell's rules (like against "Majunior" at the Budokai) and keep him from trying that.
I could see this happening for the same reason that Goku gave Cell a senzu bean right before Gohan stepped in to fight. He wanted everything to be fair.

Crazy Goku. :)

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Post by Duo » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:54 am

Not to get down on the Anime, but compared to the Manga, they severely overplay the stereotypes of Chichi's personality and exaggerate her "bitchiness" a ton. She's a lot more reasonable without those fillers, and with that in mind, Movie 8 occurring with her forcing them to power down is ridiculous. The movie fitting in is ridiculous. See: First post.

@ Metrite: Well, what you have shown me is in the Manga, and I was, in this case, referring to the Anime, because the movies are...animated. Also, there's a month difference in those two Gohan's, so his hair was slightly longer for the second already anyway.

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Post by Xyex » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:00 am

And if you want to talk about how far the series was during production, it's a matter of where the manga was, rather than the anime, of course.
Not when discussing a movie. The movies are made to tie in to the anime, not the manga.
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Post by Dark Vegeta-Sama » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:38 am

Duo wrote:Not to get down on the Anime, but compared to the Manga, they severely overplay the stereotypes of Chichi's personality and exaggerate her "bitchiness" a ton. She's a lot more reasonable without those fillers, and with that in mind, Movie 8 occurring with her forcing them to power down is ridiculous. The movie fitting in is ridiculous. See: First post.
At the end of the day, of course movie 8 doesn't really fit in. I just like to think it does. :)

Although, I really don't find the idea of Chi Chi forcing Goku and Gohan to power down for the school interview to be all that ridiculous. Based on her established character, and the fact that Goku does give in to what she wants a lot of the time, I can totally see it happening.

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Post by Metrite » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:21 am

Duo wrote:Also, there's a month difference in those two Gohan's, so his hair was slightly longer for the second already anyway.
... lol Here's a same day comparison. I always thought it seemed about as clear a difference as Goku's. And that's not something of which the design of was changed in the anime(it's the exact same in the show, I just prefer scans, but I can try getting some screen caps later if absolute proof is needed :P ).
Not when discussing a movie. The movies are made to tie in to the anime, not the manga.
I was referring to when it comes to what the known facts so far of that time would be.

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Post by Dragon Ball Daisuki » Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:08 am

Hmm. It looks like the 'strips' of hair get noticably thinner with each successive stage. (It's not really there between Gohan's base and SSJ form, but that's probably only because it's not the exact same angle as the other two) There seem to be more "lines" in his hair as well.

You guys think?

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