"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Sodhi]

What happened?

Nothing, people just creating Drama. Geekdom thought there was enough evidence to think this was real so he made a video on "supposed leaks". He still thinks there is some truth to them and the leaker probably took advantage of early information.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Geekdom has lost credibility in my eyes.

What happened?

He made like 2 mistakes and doesnt want to confirm Caulifla as SSJ2 yet so now everyone hates him and thinks hes trash. Plus what the person above me said.

People should realize hes human and sonetimes humans are wrong. Hes in my opinion literally the only good DB Youtuber.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

To revert means to go back to a previous state. So what youre saying is that Yamcha was a joke and has gone back to that. That is why people are confused what youre saying.

Taking an established character in another direction inconsistent with previous characterization/portrayal, also known as reversioning.

[ArchedThunder]

Didn't know 94 was known beforehand. That being the case, I think it was only the writers of 95 and 97 that they guessed right in the fake leaks. They had:

Toshio
King Ryu
Toshio
Tomioka
Tomioka

Where the real writer list is:

Toshio
King Ryu
Yamaguchi
Tomioka
Fukushima

We also already knew King Ryu was on 95 thanks to Toshio on Twitter.

[dbzfan7]

Good we won't be getting same old shit. Not sure why that disappoints some people though.

[GodKaio-Ken]

To revert means to go back to a previous state. So what youre saying is that Yamcha was a joke and has gone back to that. That is why people are confused what youre saying.

Taking a character in another direction inconsistent with previous characterization/portrayal, also known as reversioning.

Hm I learned something new today. Didnt know that myself.

[ArchedThunder]

So the list of episode writers that came out in the Newtype magazine is different from what came out in the leaks?
Would that confirm that the news is really fake?

Some people are still believing because of the title of EP 97, which it may have supposedly been changed in the Newtype magazine and that the leaks may be real, but the writers of the EP would not be changed that way.

It wasn't just writers that it got wrong, it was most of the staff.

[Araki]

So the list of episode writers that came out in the Newtype magazine is different from what came out in the leaks?
Would that confirm that the news is really fake?

Some people are still believing because of the title of EP 97, which it may have supposedly been changed in the Newtype magazine and that the leaks may be real, but the writers of the EP would not be changed that way.

It wasn't just writers that it got wrong, it was most of the staff.

And even so, they only got the writer of 97 right because Tomioka writing the beginning of the tournament was to be expected. There's really no reason to believe the earlier leaks at this point.

[Basako]

Good we won't be getting same old shit. Not sure why that disappoints some people though.

You mean we'll get something new, like making an strategic alliance with an enemy to fight the new ones. No, this has never happened before. Oh, wait...

[Jaetinh]

How the fuck is Roshi stronger than Yamcha now? Piss off with that joke. Just because Toriyama is suddenly in love with Roshi again and includes him in RoF and in the U7 team, doesn't mean he's stronger than Yamcha. He didn't fight during the Saiyajin, Frieza or Cell saga because he retired back in Dragon Ball. His students had already surpassed him. You're saying that because he did some training in a short amount of time, he's suddenly stronger than Yamcha now, what?

Why so upset?

Roshi beat Tenshinhan and Tenshinhan is stronger than Yamcha which makes Roshi stronger than Yamcha. Its simple logic. We also don't know when he started training again so I'm not sure why you're making it seem like the timeframe was short.

You don't understand why people like him? This actually might come as a surprise for you, but some people actually grew up with Dragon Ball and luckily didn't start with DBZEE.

Enough with the condescending attitude. You don't know anything about how anyone else has viewed the series.

He was a major character and was one of the first Z-Fighters to be introduced. As he's one of the first fighters to be introduced, we follow him and get attached to him

He was never a major character. He's a side character that pops up from time to time.
We never follow him.
He was absent for the majority of Dragon ball. He wasn't in the Red Ribbon arc or the King Piccolo arc. In the tournament arcs he was irrelevant after his losses. He rarely appeared after he died in the Saiyan arc and he rarely appears in Super.

I don't get how some people like you and especially HeroR can hold such a big ass hatred for a character. Looking at you guys, writing, shitting at him and doing everything you can, to tell the world that he's fucking shit, is pathetic. Yeah he's a joke character to many people now, but he sure as hell wasn't back then during the original run. Even people who laugh at him now because of the internet, still like him. Gintama's mangaka makes fun of him, but he's still one of his favorite characters. Toei have shown several times that they like him too. Most people who hate Yamcha probably grew up with the American dub of Dragon Ball Z. Of course there are many people who don't like him, even though they grew up with Dragon Ball. But what's with the hate? Did he kill your mother or something?

1) Who said I hated him? I simply don't care for him and I have no reason to.

2) If anyone is shitting on him it's Toriyama. It's not our fault that his character is a complete joke. It's even a running gag in the series that he's pathetic which is why no one has asked him to participate in the tournament or even thought about asking him while Yamcha waits on the sidelines.

Roshi isn't stronger than Tenshinhan. Sure he beat him in that scene, but come on. If that was a fight between the two of them, with no boosts or what ever happened to Roshi, Tenshinhan would had won.
Toshio:
https://twitter.com/toshio916/status/861361570013511683

Of course he's one of the main characters in Dragon Ball. The first half of Dragon Ball obviously had Goku, Bulma and Roshi as "the" main characters, but Yamcha was also a major character. We didn't follow him like Goku obviously. But we basically see all the fights he's been involved in, we see him evolve, get stronger and older. As a guy who watched Dragon Ball episode 1 as a 5 year old, at the time I was 10, I got older too while watching those characters get older. So of course, I followed him and the rest. That's why I like him and many of the Earthlings fighters. You really don't get how people can like him? Well fuck me then.

The reason him being a joke in-universe in Super is because of the memes. Basically what Super_Divine_Genki said.

[Kanassa]

This reversioning of Yamucha in Super

What reversion?

He's been viewed several times as the literal joke of the main cast in Super. For one example, the guy who almost blew Monaka's cover, complete with everyone looking at him like "why is Yamucha even here?", or "We should've expected this much, being Yamucha and all". These jabs in a cultural self-awareness sense were previously non-existent in the 80's-90's run of the series. I mean, a jab can be harmless or playful, but here it's more out of mockery. It's distasteful and mean-spirited, imo.

So, Yamcha does something stupid, and the cast treat him like he did something stupid? I'm not seeing the reversion.

[Cipher]

He's been viewed several times as the literal joke of the main cast in Super. For one example, the guy who almost blew Monaka's cover, complete with everyone looking at him like "why is Yamucha even here?", or "We should've expected this much, being Yamucha and all". These jabs in a cultural self-awareness sense were previously non-existent in the 80's-90's run of the series. I mean, a jab can be harmless or playful, but here it's more out of mockery. It's distasteful and mean-spirited, imo.

Where were you when I was citing this as a major reason for not fully enjoying the baseball episode or finding it in line with Toriyama's humor?

But yeah, treating a character as the butt of jokes nearly universally, except in cases where they bring about their own pratfalls, is something Toriyama never, ever brought to the original run, nor to his manga in general. One of the incredible things about him is that, despite all the absurdity, he always treats his characters sincerely.

[HeroR]

How the fuck is Roshi stronger than Yamcha now? Piss off with that joke. Just because Toriyama is suddenly in love with Roshi again and includes him in RoF and in the U7 team, doesn't mean he's stronger than Yamcha. He didn't fight during the Saiyajin, Frieza or Cell saga because he retired back in Dragon Ball. His students had already surpassed him. You're saying that because he did some training in a short amount of time, he's suddenly stronger than Yamcha now, what?

Why so upset?

Roshi beat Tenshinhan and Tenshinhan is stronger than Yamcha which makes Roshi stronger than Yamcha. Its simple logic. We also don't know when he started training again so I'm not sure why you're making it seem like the timeframe was short.

You don't understand why people like him? This actually might come as a surprise for you, but some people actually grew up with Dragon Ball and luckily didn't start with DBZEE.

Enough with the condescending attitude. You don't know anything about how anyone else has viewed the series.

He was a major character and was one of the first Z-Fighters to be introduced. As he's one of the first fighters to be introduced, we follow him and get attached to him

He was never a major character. He's a side character that pops up from time to time.
We never follow him.
He was absent for the majority of Dragon ball. He wasn't in the Red Ribbon arc or the King Piccolo arc. In the tournament arcs he was irrelevant after his losses. He rarely appeared after he died in the Saiyan arc and he rarely appears in Super.

I don't get how some people like you and especially HeroR can hold such a big ass hatred for a character. Looking at you guys, writing, shitting at him and doing everything you can, to tell the world that he's fucking shit, is pathetic. Yeah he's a joke character to many people now, but he sure as hell wasn't back then during the original run. Even people who laugh at him now because of the internet, still like him. Gintama's mangaka makes fun of him, but he's still one of his favorite characters. Toei have shown several times that they like him too. Most people who hate Yamcha probably grew up with the American dub of Dragon Ball Z. Of course there are many people who don't like him, even though they grew up with Dragon Ball. But what's with the hate? Did he kill your mother or something?

1) Who said I hated him? I simply don't care for him and I have no reason to.

2) If anyone is shitting on him it's Toriyama. It's not our fault that his character is a complete joke. It's even a running gag in the series that he's pathetic which is why no one has asked him to participate in the tournament or even thought about asking him while he waits on the sidelines.

I just want to add to this.

I don't hate Yamcha. I just give a flying shit about him. I can't invest enough care to hate him.

Fact is Yamaha's a joke and has been for the better part of at least 20 years. The show is just self-aware of it and treat him as a lovable loser, which is fine imo since even when the series try to treat him seriously, he still ends up on the losing end.

[Noah]

Yeah, people are split on this. Some people want Freeza to do this because it goes against his character to fight for the side of good, which is what he will do.

Sorry, but you got one part of that wrong: this arc is not the usual Good vs. Evil, they're are fighting to survive. I suppose Freeza is not stupid to realize that in a situation like this, he has no choice.

Where were you when I was citing this as a major reason for not fully enjoying the baseball episode or finding it in line with Toriyama's humor?

You didn't find funny because it was forced humor with Yamcha?

[HeroR]

What happened?

Nothing, people just creating Drama. Geekdom thought there was enough evidence to think this was real so he made a video on "supposed leaks". He still thinks there is some truth to them and the leaker probably took advantage of early information.

The problem is that his reason to believe the leaks to begin with was flawed. Namely, the 'leaker' got the name right on a person who said that they would be working an epsoide weeks ago. When the real titles Epsoide 94 title leak, he tried to cover himself by saying it could be a revised. Despite the titles having nothing in common, which isn't something I have seen.

I also don't see how there can be some truth when they got all but one of the staffing wrong, and that was a common guess.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

What reversion?

He's been viewed several times as the literal joke of the main cast in Super. For one example, the guy who almost blew Monaka's cover, complete with everyone looking at him like "why is Yamucha even here?", or "We should've expected this much, being Yamucha and all". These jabs in a cultural self-awareness sense were previously non-existent in the 80's-90's run of the series. I mean, a jab can be harmless or playful, but here it's more out of mockery. It's distasteful and mean-spirited, imo.

So, Yamcha does something stupid, and the cast treat him like he did something stupid? I'm not seeing the reversion.

That's just one small example, and this new portrayal has been a recurring trend in all of his appearances in Super -- as limited as his screentime has been.

Where were you when I was citing this as a major reason for not fully enjoying the baseball episode or finding it in line with Toriyama's humor?

I had been on hiatus from Super when that episode aired. I had to go back and marathon about 30 episodes that I was behind on before finally registering here. So, I didn't see that episode until about 3 months ago.

[precita]

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He was never a major character. He's a side character that pops up from time to time.

In Dragonball he was treated as a major side character on nearly the same level as Krillin. Tenshinhan doesn't even debut till halfway into Dragonball. In DBZ he's generally pushed to the sidelines like the rest of the humans, but was still always treated as a fighter until the end of the Cell saga. He's in all 4 big tournaments of Dragonball (the 3 main tournaments and Baba's), for that matter. After that he always did the same training Goku and the rest of the cast did with Roshi, Kami, King Kai, etc.

He rarely appeared after he died in the Saiyan arc and he rarely appears in Super.

We saw him constantly in the Namek saga especially in the anime because almost every episode cut to King Kai's planet. Even in the manga Toriyama felt the need to remind us what he and the other humans were doing training there. He's also present for most of the Cell arc aside from some parts of the middle, but that's because he brought Goku home after he suffered from the heart virus.

2) If anyone is shitting on him it's Toriyama. It's not our fault that his character is a complete joke. It's even a running gag in the series that he's pathetic which is why no one has asked him to participate in the tournament or even thought about asking him while he waits on the sidelines.

Toriyama never shit on him. What happens in Super was not what happened in DBZ. His losses are treated no differently than the rest of the cast.

[Araki]

1) Who said I hated him? I simply don't care for him and I have no reason to.

2) If anyone is shitting on him it's Toriyama. It's not our fault that his character is a complete joke. It's even a running gag in the series that he's pathetic which is why no one has asked him to participate in the tournament or even thought about asking him while he waits on the sidelines.

I just want to add to this.

I don't hate Yamcha. I just give a flying shit about him. I can't invest enough care to hate him.

I think the major reason people care about Yamcha (and i count myself there) is because he's that average guy who's been there since the very beginning, even though he never really did anything - other than winning a gag fight against an invisible man.
But yes, Yamcha is little more than a running gag, especially in the manga where he had less screentime. We're talking about the guy who took a headbutt on the nuts just for some cheap laughs at his expense, complete with the audience laughing and making fun of him, for Christ's sake.

"Oh but that was Kami-sama"...sure, but Toriyama could've used any character of his cast for that role, it's just that Yamcha was always his go-to guy when he needed someone to be pathetic.
If anything, the way the movies liked to portray Kuririn insistently as the butt monkey bothered me way more.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Did fans laught at Yamcha's death back when it was broadcasted for the first time in either JP or the west or did people start laughting at his death after some random guy on the internet made a viral meme out of his death?

Yamcha's death was a meme in Japan long before the internet age.

This doesn't seen to be the case, the earliest data about said meme only dates back to 2009.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yamcha-s-death-pose

[HeroR]

This doesn't seen to be the case, the earliest data about said meme only dates back to 2009.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yamcha-s-death-pose

You're using some random website. And that meme is older than eight years old.