"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[OLKv3]

This is some of the best art Toyo has ever made
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Pretty sure I've seen that in some video game opening or something, or Golden Freeza charging Goku or something in promotional art, not sure, but it looks familiar

The only thing I can think of is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXauLj9hcM
But the only thing similar is them flying at each other

[OLKv3]

This is some of the best art Toyo has ever made
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Pretty sure I've seen that in some video game opening or something, or Golden Freeza charging Goku or something in promotional art, not sure, but it looks familiar

He probably copied it from this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Goddammit Toyo.

[The gr]

This is some of the best art Toyo has ever made

I'm really excited for the Battle Royale in the manga, just imagine Goku vs jiren in the manga, but that scene is a reference to gt

[emperior]

Does it even make sense that it took Goku a whole night to master a technique which was invented by a human in the low hundreds in terms of PL (Mafuba) yet Goku could effortlessly pull the Hakai, a technique we never knew he saw (and why would Beerus show him?) and we all thought only Hakaishins could use.
What's going to happen now? Will Goku also heal himself after seeing it once from Trunks?
Goku using Hakai also doesn't make sense in the manga continuity, which has just recently explained that the Kaioshin healing abilities can only be used by Kaioshin apprentices, and are magically forgotten once an apprentice becomes a full-fledged Kaioshin. Which again, doesn't make sense.

[Ikazvyr]

Just noted that Zamasu's mouth was getting wider and wider in despair in that Hakai page. You guys can say anything about the plot and pacing, but this chapter art is exceptionally incredible

[The gr]

Just noted that Zamasu's mouth was getting wider and wider in despair in that Hakai page. You guys can say anything about the plot and pacing, but this chapter art is exceptionally incredible

Is episode 66 all over again,good art/animation and is full of nonsense

[Ikazvyr]

Just noted that Zamasu's mouth was getting wider and wider in despair in that Hakai page. You guys can say anything about the plot and pacing, but this chapter art is exceptionally incredible

Is episode 66 all over again,good art/animation and is full of nonsense

And the only thing I defend in episode was the art. The animation was somehow odd tho, everything in Vegetto vs. Zamasu looked like it was in fast forward... But was artistically beautiful, you just can't ignore it

[FTW395]

You wouldn't see this much defending from this website if the anime made the same problem as the manga. It's really stupefying.

Cut the crap. The anime gets defended by it's fans just as much, hell people still make up excuses for Black's random zenkais and "I'll pull this scythe from my hands" ability.
Genki Dama Sword still gets fandom explanations, anything weird with anime SSB gets fandom explanations, the horrible Zamasu is the universe thing to this day gets defended
Like I said, the double standards need to stop

How is Zamasu being the universe a bad thing? In my opinion it was one of the most original things dragonball has come up with and I simply love the fact of a Giygas-Zamasu.

[Basako]

Does it even make sense that it took Goku a whole night to master a technique which was invented by a human in the low hundreds in terms of PL (Mafuba) yet Goku could effortlessly pull the Hakai, a technique we never knew he saw (and why would Beerus show him?) and we all thought only Hakaishins could use.
What's going to happen now? Will Goku also heal himself after seeing it once from Trunks?
Goku using Hakai also doesn't make sense in the manga continuity, which has just recently explained that the Kaioshin healing abilities can only be used by Kaioshin apprentices, and are magically forgotten once an apprentice becomes a full-fledged Kaioshin. Which again, doesn't make sense.

We know Goku and Vegeta have seen the Hakai because they said so. He may have practiced it previously too, while training with Whis. Effortlessly? You must be kidding. It takes all his mastered SSB from him, Goku becomes totally defenseless after that, Vegeta saves him.

Goku can't learn curing neither seeing or practicing it, because, as you said, a ritual and becoming officially apprentice of the Kaioshin is required. In this case, the technique is not learned, is obtained. It's how it works, makes the same amount sense as many other things in DB, for example, the ritual of the SSG, but could be any other thing.

[HeroR]

You wouldn't see this much defending from this website if the anime made the same problem as the manga. It's really stupefying.

Cut the crap. The anime gets defended by it's fans just as much, hell people still make up excuses for Black's random zenkais and "I'll pull this scythe from my hands" ability.
Genki Dama Sword still gets fandom explanations, anything weird with anime SSB gets fandom explanations, the horrible Zamasu is the universe thing to this day gets defended
Like I said, the double standards need to stop

How is Zamasu being the universe a bad thing? In my opinion it was one of the most original things dragonball has come up with and I simply love the fact of a Giygas-Zamasu.

Plus Black's scythe is just an extension of his sword. So I don't see the problem here. Him making endless clones was the weird part. Also, Black in the anime didn't get zenkais since Vegeta made what Black was doing to get stronger seem strange and unnatural.

Also, almost no one defends the Spirit Sword. It's an AssPull, but people are just willing to accept for the cool factor like Goku pulling mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan out of his butt and then the Haki.

[MathSSJ]

Does it even make sense that it took Goku a whole night to master a technique which was invented by a human in the low hundreds in terms of PL (Mafuba) yet Goku could effortlessly pull the Hakai, a technique we never knew he saw (and why would Beerus show him?) and we all thought only Hakaishins could use.
What's going to happen now? Will Goku also heal himself after seeing it once from Trunks?
Goku using Hakai also doesn't make sense in the manga continuity, which has just recently explained that the Kaioshin healing abilities can only be used by Kaioshin apprentices, and are magically forgotten once an apprentice becomes a full-fledged Kaioshin. Which again, doesn't make sense.

Pretty sure the Mafuba training is to aim it more than using the technique itself. It was the same with Tenshinhan back in the Piccolo Daimao arc.

[FortuneSSJ]

The only reason those movie retelling arcs of Super exist at all is because Toei desperately wanted some new DB material to air on that specific date and Toriyama and the rest of Super's writing staff didn't have anything ready just yet: so they aired TV rehashes of the movies to have something DB to air and pad out time until the Champa stuff was ready. Its also why those episodes specifically have such shitty animation in comparison to the later arcs: they were rushed into production on short notice to meet a last minute deadline and act as pure content filler.

Thanks, but I'm well informed about DBS lack of pre-production.

That whole notion of "its for the benefit of casuals/people who didn't see the movies" is complete and utter BS. It makes it out that those movies were some tiny, obscure little limited release that only the hardest of hardcore die hards paid any attention to; and considering how recent they still were and how thoroughly they had dominated all anime-related news and discussion while they were out (far, far beyond just DB fandom), you have to be living on another plane of reality entirely to actually believe that at this point.

Those recap arcs exist as pure padding (clumsily rushed padding no less) to have something with Goku in it airing right after Buu Kai had finished while the ACTUAL new content for Super was still being hammered out. That's literally ALL it comes down to. If Toei had scheduled things better early on, those recap episodes simply would not exist.

You're just looking to the tree, not the forest. Casual fans won't bother to google all DB news and watch every new Movie that comes out, but if it airs on TV dubbed in their language they will most likely watch. I speak from what I saw happening here in my country and it's fact that some people didn't about Beerus and rest of new stuff, just like it's fact those people still don't know how FT Trunks arc ended because they're just following the dub.

The retellings existing to buy time to the staff to produce Champa arc and give Toriyama enough time to think about the next arc is just one of the main reasons why they exist.

Assuming that everyone watched BOG and ROF Movies because they were on Internet it's ridiculous, to say the least.
There's a part of the audience that doesn't even care about anime/manga industry to begin it, they just like Dragon Ball.

I think they would have been fine. The same way literally every single fan in existence who didn't start with episode/chapter one of Dragon Ball is fine.

It would still be a half-assed experience, just like it is for the people that started with DBZ/Kai. You don't start reading a book by the middle.
The deaths of Goku and the others in Saiyan arc are much more impactful for people that watched DB and got attached to those characters, than to a newcomer that doesn't know anything about them.

[Lord Beerus]

Does it even make sense that it took Goku a whole night to master a technique which was invented by a human in the low hundreds in terms of PL (Mafuba) yet Goku could effortlessly pull the Hakai, a technique we never knew he saw (and why would Beerus show him?) and we all thought only Hakaishins could use.
What's going to happen now? Will Goku also heal himself after seeing it once from Trunks?
Goku using Hakai also doesn't make sense in the manga continuity, which has just recently explained that the Kaioshin healing abilities can only be used by Kaioshin apprentices, and are magically forgotten once an apprentice becomes a full-fledged Kaioshin. Which again, doesn't make sense.

Pretty sure the Mafuba training is to aim it more than using the technique itself. It was the same with Tenshinhan back in the Piccolo Daimao arc.

The Mafuba is all about aim and precision and Future Trunks has that in spades because he was a master swordsman, and as such his hand-eye coordination were impeccable to say the least. I mean, that is what I always assumed was the core reason he could pull of the Mafuba as well as he did with the limited time he had.

[Draconic]

Does it even make sense that it took Goku a whole night to master a technique which was invented by a human in the low hundreds in terms of PL (Mafuba) yet Goku could effortlessly pull the Hakai, a technique we never knew he saw (and why would Beerus show him?) and we all thought only Hakaishins could use.
What's going to happen now? Will Goku also heal himself after seeing it once from Trunks?
Goku using Hakai also doesn't make sense in the manga continuity, which has just recently explained that the Kaioshin healing abilities can only be used by Kaioshin apprentices, and are magically forgotten once an apprentice becomes a full-fledged Kaioshin. Which again, doesn't make sense.

Pretty sure the Mafuba training is to aim it more than using the technique itself. It was the same with Tenshinhan back in the Piccolo Daimao arc.

The Mafuba is all about aim and precision and Future Trunks has that in spades because he was a master swordsman, and as such his hand-eye coordination were impeccable to say the least. I mean, that is what I always assumed was the core reason he could pull of the Mafuba as well as he did with the limited time he had.

And he had Mai there holding the jar, so if he was a bit off she could catch it. He even tells her to get ready before starting.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

After reading this month's chapter, there goes my theory of trying to finish it next month. At this rate this arc may not end until August/September.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

After reading this month's chapter, there goes my theory of trying to finish it next month. At this rate this arc may not end until August/September.

That would be a little ridiculous, there's no reason it shouldn't end next month. These many clones are the narrative equivalent of Cloud Zamasu. No matter what happens, I'm 100% confident in my prediction that it'll end next month.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

After reading this month's chapter, there goes my theory of trying to finish it next month. At this rate this arc may not end until August/September.

That would be a little ridiculous, there's no reason it shouldn't end next month. These many clones are the narrative equivalent of Cloud Zamasu. No matter what happens, I'm 100% confident in my prediction that it'll end next month.

But do you think it will be enough to cram all of episode 67 in a chapter? I know it's 45 pages but that still seems like squeezing it.

[Zamasu55]

The hakai thing doesn't make sense at all. Neither Goku nor Vegeta see Beerus do that in the manga. Massive mistake by Toyo, massive. The manga's just becoming more and more overrated.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

After reading this month's chapter, there goes my theory of trying to finish it next month. At this rate this arc may not end until August/September.

That would be a little ridiculous, there's no reason it shouldn't end next month. These many clones are the narrative equivalent of Cloud Zamasu. No matter what happens, I'm 100% confident in my prediction that it'll end next month.

But do you think it will be enough to cram all of episode 67 in a chapter? I know it's 45 pages but that still seems like squeezing it.

It'll have plenty of breathing room if Toyotaro dedicates the chapter to ending it. He won't be doing any more choreography once Zeno comes, meaning there's more room for information per panel, so 45 pages is plenty.

The hakai thing doesn't make sense at all. Neither Goku nor Vegeta see Beerus do that in the manga. Massive mistake by Toyo, massive. The manga's just becoming more and more overrated.

What doesn't make sense about it?

[Hellspawn28]

My theory on Goku able to use the "Hakai" power is due to his God Ki inside of him. I don't think he can fully use it like Beerus can since he is not a GoD and I don't think he can do it on someone that is way stronger than him.