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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:31 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:How does goku stay motivated to train so hard or even fight continuously..
In real world people usually have a sudden burst of motivation which lasts some days at max with decreasing intensity each passing moment..

Real martial artists do training most of the week but it's never as intense as goku does everyday
Goku's life's goal is to improve himself, it's what he wakes up in the morning for, it's what motivates him to breathe. More recently (Cell Arc maybe?), it seems to have been established that this behavior is a Saiyan trait, so that also goes a ways to explain things. If Goku can't grow, he has no reason to exist, and he'll be doomed to live the rest of his life in eternal boredom.
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Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:39 pm

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Anime Kitten wrote:Why is it that I see some people using "Super Saiyan Ikari" in place of "Super Saiyan Rage"? I mean, SSJ Rage sounds about as stupid as Super Saiyan does to begin with, so I doubt that's it.

(Not that I think "Super Saiyan" is stupid, mind you; I'm just making a comparison.)
We don't need two SSRs, we have Goku-Black's SS Rosé and then Trunks' form.
Rage isn't the only translation. "Super Saiyan Anger" has also been used. I think the point of the question is "Why do some people leave the name untranslated?"
Yeah, I personally go by that and it really grinds my gears, when I see people continuing on with "Super Saiyan Rage."

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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:44 pm

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Ki Breaker wrote:How does goku stay motivated to train so hard or even fight continuously..
In real world people usually have a sudden burst of motivation which lasts some days at max with decreasing intensity each passing moment..

Real martial artists do training most of the week but it's never as intense as goku does everyday
Goku's life's goal is to improve himself, it's what he wakes up in the morning for, it's what motivates him to breathe. More recently (Cell Arc maybe?), it seems to have been established that this behavior is a Saiyan trait, so that also goes a ways to explain things. If Goku can't grow, he has no reason to exist, and he'll be doomed to live the rest of his life in eternal boredom.
Gine being a Saiyan wasn't interested in fighting, Vegeta until he met goku wasn't as crazy for training as he was after goku surpassed him..
It seems like even among Saiyans goku is especially interested in training and nothing else..

It almost like there's something deep driving him to keep training, something he is trying to escape from, or something he is trying to find..
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Post by Asura » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:53 pm

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Asura wrote:Why does Vegito say Yosha? I know Yosh(i) means something akin to "All right!" and I know that's what he's saying, but he pronounces it as Yosha. Is there a reason behind that or... what's the difference?
I think that variation changes it to Alrighty, y'know how some people say "Alrighty then..." or "ALRIGHTY!"(Vegito)
Alrighty! seems like a weird thing to yell.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:01 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:Gine being a Saiyan wasn't interested in fighting, Vegeta until he met goku wasn't as crazy for training as he was after goku surpassed him..
It seems like even among Saiyans goku is especially interested in training and nothing else..

It almost like there's something deep driving him to keep training, something he is trying to escape from, or something he is trying to find..
It isn't half as vague as you're presenting it as. Goku wants to improve because he has the same motivation as every other generic shounen hero ever, he wants to be at the top of the food chain. There's always a bigger fish, and that makes Goku excited, because it confirms to him that he gets to push himself that much farther.

As for the exceptions you pointed out, Vegeta wasn't crazy about self-improvement yet because no one was. That attribute of the Saiyan personality wasn't introduced until the Android Arc. As far as Gine goes, we don't know anything about her, or any non-fighting Saiyans for that matter. In fact, we've never seen an extreme competitive nature from any non-Super Saiyan character, so that attitude could be unconsciously switched on once Saiyans reach that level. For all we know, Saiyans are just as aggressive and competitive regarding any profession they're a part of, there's just not enough information.
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:20 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote: It isn't half as vague as you're presenting it as. Goku wants to improve because he has the same motivation as every other generic shounen hero ever,
This kind of takes it out of universe here..
he wants to be at the top of the food chain. There's always a bigger fish, and that makes Goku excited, because it confirms to him that he gets to push himself that much farther.
Say, jiren's race is able to reach angle levels, dosen't necessarily mean goku will be able to as well, for all we know Saiyans tap out at god of destruction levels..

I see it as him getting excited to beat the opponent because of his weird obsession over fighting and training..
As for the exceptions you pointed out, Vegeta wasn't crazy about self-improvement yet because no one was. That attribute of the Saiyan personality wasn't introduced until the Android Arc. As far as Gine goes, we don't know anything about her, or any non-fighting Saiyans for that matter. In fact, we've never seen an extreme competitive nature from any non-Super Saiyan character, so that attitude could be unconsciously switched on once Saiyans reach that level. For all we know, Saiyans are just as aggressive and competitive regarding any profession they're a part of, there's just not enough information.
Goku was training maniac since he was a kid, Vegeta developed it after Goku surpassed him..
Going with the explanation it was introduced later for Vegeta again takes it out of universe..
In universe it's simply because he wanted to surpass Goku.. it's not fully his Saiyan nature but his attitude of approaching things..

We know that gine wasn't much of a fighter, that is an instance of Saiyans not wanting self improvement from the get go in fighting department at the very least..

Your explanation of them being competitive in any field they join might be an acceptable, but for its evidence we would need to include half Saiyans which throws a whole lot of unnecessary factors into the equation..

This makes me inclined to go towards goku being this crazy about self improvement a psychological attribute rather than a biological response
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Post by Master Xar » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Asura wrote:
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Asura wrote:Why does Vegito say Yosha? I know Yosh(i) means something akin to "All right!" and I know that's what he's saying, but he pronounces it as Yosha. Is there a reason behind that or... what's the difference?
I think that variation changes it to Alrighty, y'know how some people say "Alrighty then..." or "ALRIGHTY!"(Vegito)
Alrighty! seems like a weird thing to yell.
To an extent yeah... guess that's a bit of the Goku shining out in Vegito...

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Post by Gog » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:22 am

Does Freeza run the empire? Because, reading the Freeza arc at best all its mentioned is that his hobby is to collect and conquer planets. Heck, from what's suggested in Resurrection of Freeza the empire was falling apart because Freeza, and all of his strong warriors weren't there to scare his planets into not revolting against his Empire.

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Post by ABED » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:38 am

That doesn't qualify as a hobby. In RoF it was said the empire was crumbling without him, so I don't understand your question. He did run the empire.
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Post by Gog » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:09 am

ABED wrote:That doesn't qualify as a hobby. In RoF it was said the empire was crumbling without him, so I don't understand your question. He did run the empire.
How can conquering and collecting planets not be considered a hobby? For Freeza its an activity he does for leisure in his own time. Regardless, thanks for the information. :D

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:23 am

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ABED wrote:That doesn't qualify as a hobby. In RoF it was said the empire was crumbling without him, so I don't understand your question. He did run the empire.
How can conquering and collecting planets not be considered a hobby? For Freeza its an activity he does for leisure in his own time. Regardless, thanks for the information. :D
I don't see why what he likes to do to pass the time and his job are mutually exclusive things. Palpatine's favorite past time is to be the worst son of a bitch Star Wars has ever seen and he uses that to advance his position of power in the galaxy.
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Post by ABED » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:41 am

Leisure is what you do on your off hours. Dictators aren't dictators part of the time. Ekrolo2, playing the long con isn't a past time. That was his raison d'etre.
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Post by Gog » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:53 pm

ABED wrote:Leisure is what you do on your off hours. Dictators aren't dictators part of the time. Ekrolo2, playing the long con isn't a past time. That was his raison d'etre.
Why would managing and running an Empire, and selling planets to the highest bidder be one in the same vein as just going ahead, and conquering a planet just for the heck of it in your free time?

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Post by ABED » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:27 pm

Gog wrote:
ABED wrote:Leisure is what you do on your off hours. Dictators aren't dictators part of the time. Ekrolo2, playing the long con isn't a past time. That was his raison d'etre.
Why would managing and running an Empire, and selling planets to the highest bidder be one in the same vein as just going ahead, and conquering a planet just for the heck of it in your free time?
Because doing something in your free time doesn't occupy as much of one's time as if you do it as an "occupation". It doesn't fit the concept of leisure or hobby. Freeza is never not a dictator.
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Post by emi_b7 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:06 pm

Why do Bergamo and Lavenda wear pants but Basil doesn't?
Is Basil considered a pervert among his race because he is naked? Or maybe all the people in his planet go around naked but his brothers wear clothes just for fashion (like those douchebags who use glasses they don't need)?

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:37 pm

Does anybody else think Cyan from FFVI looks like Tao-Pai-Pai ?
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Soppa Saia People wrote:Does anybody else think Cyan from FFVI looks like Tao-Pai-Pai ?
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They do look similar.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:26 pm

According to this, video games from the Dragon Ball franchise have sold 40+ million copies worldwide, of which 15+ million were in the USA (as of December 2014; Xenoverse should add 2-3 million to this total). As a video game series this puts Dragon Ball on the same level of "Street Fighter", "Medal of Honor", and "Civilization." Just thought to throw that out as a fun fact.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:45 am

Darnis wrote:Has there ever been a piece of Japanese merchandise that used SSJ instead of SS?
Has there been any merchandise that use "SS" at all? I have only seen Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan abbreviated on merchandise and regular Super Saiyan is either spelled out in full in English or Japanese, never come across "SS" or "SSj" for that matter.

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Post by DBZ Macky » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:35 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Darnis wrote:Has there ever been a piece of Japanese merchandise that used SSJ instead of SS?
Has there been any merchandise that use "SS" at all? I have only seen Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan abbreviated on merchandise and regular Super Saiyan is either spelled out in full in English or Japanese, never come across "SS" or "SSj" for that matter.
I'm not sure of merchandise, but I don't think I've seen "SSj" used in any of the games. "SS" on the other hand, is used at least in Dragon Ball GT: Transformation.
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