Thoughts on Brian Drummond's Vegeta?

[MR.Mark]

Whoever was behind the production of the dub probably didn't care and wanted this dub on Canadian and European television as fast as possible. Oh, what I would give for a documentary behind this dub. What would be the proper title for it?

"Dragon Slayer" or "How to Make Funimation Look Good."

Pretty much, doesn't help matters that they apparently had multiple, um, directors, taking shifts during it's production.

[TheGreatness25]

That makes so much sense.

"Yeah that's perfect... Yeah, that line's great too... Wow! You're blowing me away! Yes! I wouldn't change it! That's gr-- Oh, lunch time! Bye!"

[8000 Saiyan]

Whoever was behind the production of the dub probably didn't care and wanted this dub on Canadian and European television as fast as possible. Oh, what I would give for a documentary behind this dub. What would be the proper title for it?

"Dragon Slayer" or "How to Make Funimation Look Good."

Pretty much, doesn't help matters that they apparently had multiple, um, directors, taking shifts during it's production.

Scott McNeil said that they went through seven different directors, I believe.

[Robo4900]

Can we please stop crapping on the Westwood dub? It gets pretty damn tiring to keep saying saying this, but if it was so bad, why was it so popular in the UK and Canada to the point that Turner UK bought the early Fusion saga episodes twice so they could get the Ocean dub for re-runs? The Funimation dub seems to get a free pass, probably because of the amount of people who grew up on it and feel nostalgic for it, but remember there are a lot of people who feel the same about the Westwood dub too, and it gets really irritating to see nothing but hate directed at it when everyone seems to be a lot more measured about the Funimation dub.
Anyway, I think there's been enough debate about how the Westwood dub compares to the Funimation dub in the past, and which choices were poor, which ones were good, etc.

Besides, I thought this thread was supposed to be about Brian Drummond?

[MR.Mark]

Scott McNeil said that they went through seven different directors, I believe.

It certainly shows, watching clips again on youtube, the actors are all over the map in terms of delivery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYd-iv9OCUc

NOOOOOOOOOO

[8000 Saiyan]

Scott McNeil said that they went through seven different directors, I believe.

It certainly shows, watching clips again on youtube, the actors are all over the map in terms of delivery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYd-iv9OCUc

NOOOOOOOOOO

All right, I think that's enough. Like Robo said, I think crapping on the Westwood dub is getting tiring. Yeah, the Westwood dub might not have been Ocean's finest work, but it doesn't mean they can't do better this time around.

That being said, I'll say that Brian Dobson's delivery in that clip is much better than his later work as Dr. Gero.

[MR.Mark]

Well this topic is about Brian Drummond either way, but people need to stop being offended when any dub is being criticized, especially if it's constructive.

[8000 Saiyan]

Well this topic is about Brian Drummond either way, but people need to stop being offended when any dub is being criticized, especially if it's constructive.

I wasn't offended by people criticizing the Westwood dub, but I think going on and on on crapping on it was going overboard.

[MR.Mark]

Well this topic is about Brian Drummond either way, but people need to stop being offended when any dub is being criticized, especially if it's constructive.

I wasn't offended by people criticizing the Westwood dub, but I think going on and on on crapping on it was going overboard.

Fair enough, do you have a favorite Drummond role outside of Dragon Ball material? It's hard for me to choose myself.

[8000 Saiyan]

Well this topic is about Brian Drummond either way, but people need to stop being offended when any dub is being criticized, especially if it's constructive.

I wasn't offended by people criticizing the Westwood dub, but I think going on and on on crapping on it was going overboard.

Fair enough, do you have a favorite Drummond role outside of Dragon Ball material? It's hard for me to choose myself.

Boy, that's a tough one. I'd say my favorite role of his is Ryuk, although he's also great as Jetstorm (So delightfully hammy), Zechs Marquise (With this voice, he could surpass Sabat's Kai performance), Wolverine (I think he does Wolvie much better than Scott, who I think would do much better as Sabretooth), Benny and Hayato Shingu. He also shows some pretty good range in the Marvel Motion Comics. Overall, there are tons of great Drummond roles.

[MR.Mark]

Oh yes, if Drummond was still willing to yell like he did in the Saban days, and use a voice closer to Zechs, he could very well rival Sabat.

[8000 Saiyan]

Oh yes, if Drummond was still willing to yell like he did in the Saban days, and use a voice closer to Zechs, he could very well rival Sabat.

Since a Blue Water actor said that Brian brought his A game to Kai, I can see him going all out with the screams.

[TheGreatness25]

So this Ocean dub of Kai is still happening? I'm just curious about this process -- the Westwood dub is a total curiosity to me. I just don't get it. So AB moved away from the Ocean cast and had the Blue Water cast do GT and Dragon Ball, right? What made them move back to the Ocean cast to do Kai? Is it because of the reputation that the Ocean cast rightfully earned when making the earlier DBZ?

It would be awesome. I'm just curious if they'd have any cast changes. The Westwood dub was never as consistent as the Funimation dub, who's had pretty much the same voices from beginning to end. With the Westwood dub, there were so many replacements. So it makes me wonder who they'll try to get for Goku (Kelamis or Morrow or someone else?).

From what I understand, Canada desires to air its own dubs and thus, that's why there was a Westwood dub to counter Funimation to begin with. If they're really getting Kai, that's exciting. I just wish they would actually release it this because I just know it in my bones that if the Ocean cast is on their A-game, to me, they'll blow Funimation out of the water. Yet another version of Dragon Ball for me to watch is like adding a layer to the existing series and I welcome it (I welcome that much, much more than a new story).

[8000 Saiyan]

So this Ocean dub of Kai is still happening? I'm just curious about this process -- the Westwood dub is a total curiosity to me. I just don't get it. So AB moved away from the Ocean cast and had the Blue Water cast do GT and Dragon Ball, right? What made them move back to the Ocean cast to do Kai? Is it because of the reputation that the Ocean cast rightfully earned when making the earlier DBZ?

It would be awesome. I'm just curious if they'd have any cast changes. The Westwood dub was never as consistent as the Funimation dub, who's had pretty much the same voices from beginning to end. With the Westwood dub, there were so many replacements. So it makes me wonder who they'll try to get for Goku (Kelamis or Morrow or someone else?).

From what I understand, Canada desires to air its own dubs and thus, that's why there was a Westwood dub to counter Funimation to begin with. If they're really getting Kai, that's exciting. I just wish they would actually release it this because I just know it in my bones that if the Ocean cast is on their A-game, to me, they'll blow Funimation out of the water. Yet another version of Dragon Ball for me to watch is like adding a layer to the existing series and I welcome it (I welcome that much, much more than a new story).

AB didn't decide to use Blue Water for GT, it was Ocean themselves. Ocean owns Blue Water Studios in Calgary. We don't really know who's the production company behind Ocean Kai.

There have been cast changes: Goku is played by Richard Ian Cox (Inuyasha, Quicksilver and Ranma) and Frieza is played by Lee Tockar (His voice is a British version of Mark Hamill's Joker). Zarbon, Cell, Android 17, Recoome and Tien have also been replaced. Drummond, McNeil, Henderson and Dobson reprised their roles.

Whoever they got for Cell, I hope he does not disappoint.

[TheGreatness25]

Wow. Well again, it's weird that Drummond and McNeil didn't do GT and Saffron Henderson actually left sometime during the Cell arc. So to have them back is a little weird. But I'm all for it, 100%.

I just saw a video on YouTube where someone is asked about Kai; it might be someone behind-the-scenes, and he says, "We've got to get the original series out first..." and then "We've got Season 4 coming out next month in November and then we're getting the rest of the series of Dragon Ball Z out by July so that's 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 -- one every eight weeks or so..."

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugV6Y-gpejQ

Did the person mistake Funimation for Ocean? I freaking wish, but obviously it never came to be.

[NitroEX]

Well this topic is about Brian Drummond either way, but people need to stop being offended when any dub is being criticized, especially if it's constructive.

Calling your criticisms of the Westwood dub "constructive" is a stretch at this point. Not that this is really the appropriate thread for it anyway.

[TheGreatness25]

To be fair, the criticisms are "constructive" but they're laced with insults. I am guilty of this too, but it's okay to express our thoughts and feelings. Speaking for myself personally, I am harsh with it because I know that it could be so much better and it's a complete shame that it wasn't. Ocean's been talking about doing Kai, but really, that series is approaching its 10 year anniversary in a couple of short years. It's scary to think about, really. I feel like unless the ball gets going, Ocean will never have that redemption that they deserve to have because they have the ability to make some damned good work.

[MR.Mark]

Harsh maybe, but I'm not attacking the actors directly or anything, but I guess they can take it as an insult to there person if they choose to.

Just another passionate fan here, don't mind me.

[Kokonoe]

His Vegeta was what I grew up with for a few years. It's...all right, like I definitely think he does well enough and is unique enough, but I was spoiled when we got the funimation dub with Sabat and I prefer that voice. Still, it's nice to go back and watch some clips of ocean dub for nostalgia purposes. Does make me wonder how he would've sounded in the Cell arc.

[TheGreatness25]

I mean people get defensive about things that are near and dear to them; it's not other-worldly confusing. That's why dub fans go to bat for what they like. If you treasure something, having someone come along and crap on it isn't pleasant, and that's understandable. But there's also something to be said about keeping an open mind. Look, I am a dub fan, but I'm open to the idea that it was pretty terrible. You kind of have to be to hold onto your sanity.

Sometimes it becomes like beating a dead horse and that's understandable. Like with Broly fans -- one person says Broly sucks, then another, then before you know it, you have 3 pages of a convo full of "Broly sucks." To a Broly fan, it's like, "All right, get off of it already." So I can see that being the case with this too.

His Vegeta was what I grew up with for a few years. It's...all right, like I definitely think he does well enough and is unique enough, but I was spoiled when we got the funimation dub with Sabat and I prefer that voice. Still, it's nice to go back and watch some clips of ocean dub for nostalgia purposes. Does make me wonder how he would've sounded in the Cell arc.

Kind of like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfM5x-jXXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qnI4_B3ljI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbGN9DaTLK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyILqP80gEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nMfhiCnKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yxkMgnWblg

Oh my god... Besides some of the voices being strange (Trunks's, Boo's), I kind of... I kind of like it. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but the nostalgia goosebumps are running wild.

Just for fun: Brian Drummond voicing Vegetto. Instead of doing the double voice, Brian Drummond tried to encompass a mix of his Vegeta voice and Kirby Morrow's Goku. Pretty impressive, despite being inaccurate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4rUysFkf3A

EDIT: I keep adding clips. Sorry.