You care to give me an example? Goku defeating King Piccolo, the class between Kaioken Goku and Vegeta, Goku turning Super Saiyan, Gohan turning Super Saiyan 2, Vegito appearing, Goku fighting with Ma Junior, the final Gendikama are my favourite moments from the old manga and most of the mlre memorable ones. Which one is as bad as to what they did in Super's anime? Show me the light, oh great wise man.Totamo wrote:some of the best moments in the original dragon Ball manga didn't make sense and that was fine because that's not what dragon Ball is loved for because if it was ball would be more popular than Z.MisteryOne wrote:I don't see how Goku using SSGod against Hit or using Hakai is not a memorable moment. Hell, I would say the entire battoe between Goku and Merged Zamasu is memorable. It's an awesome battle in almosr every aspect. Future Zamasu destroying the Senzus was also a cool scene that impressed me because he showed he is not a pushover like his anime version. Goku Black waking up with Trunks's sword on his body and destroying it like if it was nothing was also a great an memorable plot twist. Hell, even the Gamma Burst Flash has been more impactful for me than anything Anime Vegeta has done expect beating the shit out of Golden Frieza and Goku Black, because it was something new and not the same old shit again. In the anime, he spams Garlick Gun and Final Flash like nothing, Toyotaro didn't overdid it and instead gave us something new (I hope he also does it with Piccolo and Krillin, which are using DEADLY attacks in a tournament where you can't kill...against WEAKER opponents, see Lavender and the Parrot guy from U10).Totamo wrote:This silly debate about which is better between the manga and the anime is just that silly.
Both have similar problems and different problems that ruin the story. Even if the manga make more sense, if it has no memorable moments, it doesn't really matter in the end.
Or are we just going to ignore the fact, that the original manga made much more sense than the anime but many dragon ball fans could care less about it.
I honestly expect the manga to have a worse ending.
The only memorable moments the anime gave during the FT arc were quickly ruined by nonsensical points (The only exceptions being the final part of episode 56, which was a masterpiece, and Beerus' Hakai). Both the Gendikama sword and SSIkari are memorable, but because how bad they are. Is that a good thing? I would rather have a cool moment that I didn't expect at all but makes sense and it's explained later than a giant and flashy sword that maked the entire arc pointless.
The difference is that while Z anime had great amount of nonsenses (specially in the Boo saga) it was never as bad as the anime version of Super. Super Saiyan Ikari is completely unexplained, we literally don't have a reason about why Trunks didn't archieve it years before. It's also completely pointless, jut like everything Trunks did in both versions. The fact that Trunks has almost the same importance in both mediums yet in order to do that Toei had to give him such a bullshit power up speaks by itself. The manga also handled Gowasu and, as a surprise, Shin, while anime Gowasu was a walking meme. The manga in general does more justice to the characters, specially Goku, Shin,Gowasu, Trunks himself and Future Zamasu. It's true however that it sadly almost ignores Future Mai, but to be honest the only things she did in the anime were also WTF moments, except the moment when she tries to kill Black in the flashback and.when she tried to shot him with the special bullet. In Z, there was any Toei only moment that was as stupid, pointless and hyped up like Trunk's new form and the Gendikama sword. I would also add the nonsense of Merged Zamasu mutating and the awful use of the Blue Kaioken, but that's not really what I'm trying to point out now:
If the moment you wrote is memorable because of how awfully bad or nonsensical it is by the majority of fans, then you are doing it wrong and you're showing that you almost can't make an emotional moment by yourself without flashes and colors. That's what Toei is doing for me and for some other people. So the debate is not «silly» at all because the products are really different between them and the manga offers the closest thing we have got until know that can be compared to a sequel of Z. And it shows that is not thag hard to make a consistent story, with a decent power scale which is really important in this series, and memorable moments being only a bit more original than using flashy colors and auras. It's not close to Z's manga, lf course, just like Z is not close to the original DB manga in a lot lf things. Still, a lot of us consider it way better than its anime counterpart, and for certain reasons. It isn't as simple as «it makes sense».
You know it and I know it.When Super ends, not many will even talk about this .
You know it? You definetly don't. And hell no, me and most of my friends will still be praising the manga once Super ends because it has given us ACTUAL enjoyble memorable moment, not shitty nonsensical ones. I already have more memorable moments from the manga version and I am not the only one who thinks like this. For me Super anime is almost as bad as GT, and that opinion won't change with the years.
I like seeing him casual like that.
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