"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Avok]

Creative? An extravagant and bizarre transformation that completely changes the concept of Super Saiyan? Do all Saiyan transformations have to completely change the appearance?

SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3, all of them were transformations that had no significant change. You only get stuck hair or lightning, but why do you all like it? Hypocrisy

Having spikier hair and lighting seems pretty logical to me. SS3 is more of a stretch, but at the end is just longer hair, the whole theme of the other SS transformations.

[MR.Mark]

I'd still take ssj purple over magical pants. Seriously though, to me ssj is not so much a transformation then it is a power-up in which to raise ki past limitations.

The hair and eye changes are just a manifestation of the intense ki being accessed, nothing magical or legendary about it really, at least after the Freeza arc.

Which is why I want Goku and Vegeta to come full circle, master god ki, and only need there base forms, though I don't see this happening until Super goes past EOZ.

[Gog]

Kale is a Saiyan who has never trained in her life and is as powerful as a housemaid without her LSSJ. She is nothing more than poorly written plot device (like Caulifa) who does nothing more than to further the plot and bring the viewer momentary excitement. Or in most cases prolonged annoyance, her jumiping in power to what it seems like as to a farmer with a shotgun to over SSB level without any type of work or reasonble explanation is nothing more than preposterous bullshit. I see little wrong with the Androids. It's simple technology surpassing biology, it happens in other forms of fiction and it happens in the real word.

There's been nothing saying she has had no training.
Her transformation is no more bullshit that Goku suddenly curb stomping Freeza because of Super Saiyan.

Well too be fair, Goku never did curb stomp Freeza the moment he got Super Saiyan. Also, why is the Fandom in such a tiffy in regards to Kale? Is it because she's more powerful than SSB Goku?

[OLKv3]

They literally just wasted the Yardrat for a poor gag.

Holy fuck, why did they even bother?

Kale remains the worst character this franchise has ever seen. When I thought they couldn't top Monaka.

He's not gone. He teleported after getting attacked

[Totamo]

I love it when people get on their high horse about people who "freak out over power levels lololol"

I didn't realize there were so many people in this fan base who were okay with mediocre story telling and consistency

The thing is, Z did this a lot, like a lot a lot.

Its like me complaining about nakama powerups in fairy tail or talk no jutsu from naruto, its been there for a very long time, its not going to go away

If they don't care about this, why should I? I liked everything else here.

[Boo Machine]

Also, why is the Fandom in such a tiffy in regards to Kale? Is it because she's more powerful than SSB Goku?

From what I've seen its a mix between her personality and Broly reference. Which is fair. I'm not super into Kale either, though I don't hate her.

[dbzfan7]

Wow people really wanna see Goku's furry penis . Garlic Jr had magical pants and no one complained about wanting to see his dick .

Joking aside, I think SSJ4 is a million times more creative and much closer to a saiyan transformation than pretty much any other form. I mean what's the first form we saw? Oozaru. A giant monkey. I think the way it ties right back into that is fascinating. I've softened on SSJG, but still think Blue/Rose is just recolour trash. But hey people can like what they want. I do like the egg shell like transformation sequence Blue gets. It's got a nice aura too. A shame I don't like it at all.

[OLKv3]

I totally called Kale being SSB tier. Dunno why people thought she wouldn't be
The animation was weird during this episode.

[Overlord78]

I love it when people get on their high horse about people who "freak out over power levels lololol"

I didn't realize there were so many people in this fan base who were okay with mediocre story telling and consistency

Just slap "Dragon Ball" on the title and say Toriyama is involved in the series and most dragon ball fans will eat it up regardless if it's pure garbage.

[Nero<>Akira]

Goku went SSB and said he was gonna put out more power. however much he put out we will never know but it had to have been over SSJ3 level. But the difference between SSB and SSJ3 is too massive so there's that; SSJ3 was like small star level at first and its now probably solar system level with SSB being universal+. It's only mitigated the BS and there was also no mention that she's getting stronger.

[EXBadguy]

Creative? An extravagant and bizarre transformation that completely changes the concept of Super Saiyan? Do all Saiyan transformations have to completely change the appearance?

SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3, all of them were transformations that had no significant change. You only get stuck hair or lightning, but why do you all like it? Hypocrisy

Because the original SS forms were original at the time, no matter how little the changes were. SSJG(to a degree) and SSB on the other hand are just recolored rehashes of previous forms in the past. Say whatever you want about SSJ4, but it's an original design.

SS3 is more of a stretch, but at the end is just longer hair, the whole theme of the other SS transformations.

Don't forget about the form not having eyebrows, having eye pupils, and really lighter clothing. It's more than just the hair.

[MagmonKai]

I'm trying to stay out of the Power Level nonsense that's happening, I just wanted to say that I'm glad we got confirmation that Hit can use his timeskip abilities in the World of the Void. I knew he could, but I remember a lot of fans questioning whether he could or not. I also liked the little bit of confirmation/clear up on Caulifla's SSJ2 accessing. They handled that well, and I'm super glad they didn't teach Caulifla SSB in this episode. I do not believe for a second that Kale is SSB tier. You all forget that Goku fought both Krillin and No. 17 with SSB blue, that doesn't make the opponent is as strong as Goku. Get real folks.

[SaiyanGod117]

Commonsense tells you she doesn't train, she has no type of fighting ability outside her transformation. You're grasping for the clouds here. Especially with saying Goku's transformation is Bullshit, especially since it was hyped the whole Namek arc. It's honestly baffling, how some people protect Super.

Nothing says she hasn't trained, you're grasping.
The point of the form was that nobody knew about it, of course it wasn't built up in universe. It's a "New" form, you can't arbitrarily decide out powerful it should be.

At most all she has is basic fighting ability like a regular person, it wouldn't matter if she trained or not. Her transformation and rise to power doesn't make any sense, just because it's a new form doesn't justify its bad writing. There has to be line drawn in the sand for these type of things.

[Totamo]

I love it when people get on their high horse about people who "freak out over power levels lololol"

I didn't realize there were so many people in this fan base who were okay with mediocre story telling and consistency

Just slap "Dragon Ball" on the title and say Toriyama is involved in the series and most dragon ball fans will eat it up regardless if it's pure garbage.

Yes because everyone loves minus and Resurrection f, right?

Just admit it, people like super and it angers you, I apologize that you want your opinion validated by a bunch of strangers on the internet but it ain't that big of a deal.

[TheMikado]

This is GT levels of absurdity.

We've long passed that even before this

Haha I haven't even watched the episode yet but I will right now. I can tell it's going to be worth it for the reactions alone.

[dbzfan7]

This is GT levels of absurdity.

We've long passed that even before this

Haha I haven't even watched the episode yet but I will right now. I can tell it's going to be worth it for the reactions alone.

You should. It's beautiful. Always love Broly stuff because it for some reason gets people's panties in a knot. It's dumb fun as far as I am concerned. Completely stupid, and I enjoy it for that alone.

[MR.Mark]

Wow people really wanna see Goku's furry penis . Garlic Jr had magical pants and no one complained about wanting to see his dick .

Joking aside, I think SSJ4 is a million times more creative and much closer to a saiyan transformation than pretty much any other form. I mean what's the first form we saw? Oozaru. A giant monkey. I think the way it ties right back into that is fascinating. I've softened on SSJG, but still think Blue/Rose is just recolour trash. But hey people can like what they want. I do like the egg shell like transformation sequence Blue gets. It's got a nice aura too. A shame I don't like it at all.

Just because it's creative doesn't mean it's good, I think the design is stupid and the magic pants look just as stupid, and your lame joke about Goku's dingaling doesn't change anything about your argument.

I will be pleasantly surprised if Goku's new power in TOP is in his base, "transformations" for Saiyans need to go, ssj3 was pushing it already. Recolors via God ki is atleast more bearable then all that GT crap.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Why is Brianne still in her base form? Does her teletubby form have some stamina issues that we've never heard of? (like the SSJ forms)

[dbzfan7]

Wow people really wanna see Goku's furry penis . Garlic Jr had magical pants and no one complained about wanting to see his dick .

Joking aside, I think SSJ4 is a million times more creative and much closer to a saiyan transformation than pretty much any other form. I mean what's the first form we saw? Oozaru. A giant monkey. I think the way it ties right back into that is fascinating. I've softened on SSJG, but still think Blue/Rose is just recolour trash. But hey people can like what they want. I do like the egg shell like transformation sequence Blue gets. It's got a nice aura too. A shame I don't like it at all.

Just because it's creative doesn't mean it's good, I think the design is stupid and the magic pants look just as stupid, and your lame joke about Goku's dingaling doesn't change anything about your argument.

I will be pleasantly surprised if Goku's new power in TOP is in his base, "transformations" for Saiyans need to go, ssj3 was pushing it already. Recolors via God ki is atleast more bearable then all that GT crap.

It's a joke. I am well aware of the problem people have. Chill.

And I disagree. I don't think GT's all that bad, I still like Super more (if Only for character usage, while the actual episodes start borderline dreadful and then took dozens upon dozens of episodes just to be decent), and Super is overhyped to hell and back personally. I prefer creative original looking forms to just the equivalent of Sonic fan recolours, but that's just me. If people want to like it, fine. We're all entitled to enjoy what we like, and dislike something else. Yadda Yadda.

[Overlord78]

She is hated for banal and hypocritical motives, as well as being accustomed to a transformation (SSJ4) that was never created by Toriyama.

She is hated by several people, but she has her due importance and TOEI simply ignores.
You do not like it, it's just your opinion.

And yet that transformation (SSJ4) is the most creative saiyan transformation in the series compared to hair changes and recolours.

Yes I absolutely hate the god forms as do many other people. What's there to like about a recoloured version of SSJ? Judging by your avatar you probably like it so you'll come up with a load of bullshit excuses on why SSB is a great and creative form.

Creative? An extravagant and bizarre transformation that completely changes the concept of Super Saiyan? Do all Saiyan transformations have to completely change the appearance?

SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3, all of them were transformations that had no significant change. You only get stuck hair or lightning, but why do you all like it? Hypocrisy

Better that than some recolour trash that could be easily found on deviantart. How does it change the concepts of Super Saiyan when it links back to the Oozaru form which has been completely forgotten about in Super. You're just trying to justify Super Saiyan Blue's existence at this point.

Comparing it to the original Super Saiyan forms doesn't help your argument at all. Those forms apart from SSJ3 had a build-up compared to SSB that came out of nowhere and still has yet to be explained. We like them because they are cool and the forms felt like they were worked towards so the payoff was great, not like these god transformations which have been quickly undermined.