ChiefWamsutta wrote:
SSRose was explained to basically be SSBlue, yeah, so there power should be equal. I did not interpret that as Black's Base power, but, rather, Black unlocking the SSGod power Goku had inside himself. His whole journey was to achieve the full power of Goku's body. He was very restricted fighting Trunks before he came back from the future, then less restricted against SS2 Goku. But when Vegeta was pummeling him as an SSBlue, Goku Black was able to handle it. Toriyama had intended for SSRose to be Black's version of SSBlue, and, you are right, if Black's Base power were that strong then he would be too overwhelming for them. That's why I personally believe he was drawing on the SSGod power that Goku had inside himself.
That's just my interpretation though.
But Goku is already using SSGod power in base since Battle of the Gods saga. This line of thinking is flawed.
ChiefWamsutta wrote:
Yeah, but Goku had to use SS1 in the Tournament of Power to overwhelm them fully. Then he and Vegeta accessed SSBlue power equal to a SS3 during the tag-team Final Kamehameha.
Goku using SS1 in that situation doesn't prove they are individually stronger, he just wanted to end the impasse he got in quickly. Again if each of the brothers was individually stronger than base Goku then 3 of them together should totally beat him to the ground which is not what happened - they best they could manage was keep him in defensive but not really do any real damage to him.
And Goku going SSBlue is not much of a proof either given that these days he'd probably use it to open a jar of pickles. I'd argue that Goku just going Blue against some isn't really a proof of their power if they can't hold their own against him in that state - he might just be going for a giant overkill.
ChiefWamsutta wrote:
Goku hasn't accessed more power than SS3 during the tournament yet, which is why I don't think Option A is right. He acknowledged that he would release a little more power in the match with SSBerserker Kale. He uses SSBlue instead of SS3 because of the huge stamina drain in SS3, even more so than SSBlue. Kale had to use SSBerserker against the four Pride Troopers because SSBerserker Controlled was not strong enough. Its power is only a little more than Caulifla's SS2 though because of their beams -- SS2 Caulifla's wrapped around Kale's, meaning it was weaker by a bit.
We'll see more of Kale and Caulifla though, and be able to determine better where SSBerserker stands.
That's a lot of assumptions there - I don't remember it being stated that Goku is limiting his SSBlue form to SS3 level. He said he could've released a
littlemore power against Kale, but that leaves a wide room of interpretation of how much power was he using - was it's 50%, 70% more? Heck, he might've been using 100% SSBlue power and just meant Kaioken, we don't know.
And saying that Kale had to use Bulked up for of SSBerserk dosen't mean much because we don't know what the difference is between the two variants. Could be huge.
