Piccolo lacks in power, SS2 to 3 level isn't good enough to carry the team till the end when real fighters will be fighting, we need someone like Gohan who can trade bows with SSB when push comes to shove..namekiansaiyan wrote: Gohan is pure power and your last line describes Piccolo.
It takes him forever to work stuff out and with other characters they do immediately without thinking that much at all.ssjprodigy wrote:Yeah ki breaker is right Gohan Has shown the best quick thing thinking in the group from the lavender fight all the way to opni which shows his great adaptability in battleHeroR wrote:Well, he wanted to jump in when Gohan was being crushed by Cell despite standing no chance against him. Does that count?namekiansaiyan wrote:
Being serious now and hasn't Piccolo only ever protected him once when written by Toriyama? That is probably why it will not happen in the tournament since Toei will not be able to put it in the script.
I do not want Gohan anywhere near a Namekian vs Namekian battle.
He also pushed or knocked away an energy blast from third form Freeza after Gohan raged and got his attack sent back at him.
In what regard? Gohan haven't shown to be that smart at all. And the only "intervening when stuff goes wrong" Gohan did was deflecting one blast.Ki Breaker wrote: Leader in this tournament seems to not only be making the plans but intervening when stuff goes wrong, roshi might outshine Gohan in experience, but nowhere near in power, same goes for piccolo..
Gohan is the perfect balance between smarts and power in their team..
Gohan would struggle big time against SSB and Hit, Toppo and Jiren would probably one shot him so he obviously can't take the team to the win.Ki Breaker wrote:Piccolo lacks in power, SS2 to 3 level isn't good enough to carry the team till the end when real fighters will be fighting, we need someone like Gohan who can trade bows with SSB when push comes to shove..namekiansaiyan wrote: Gohan is pure power and your last line describes Piccolo.
Besides, check out my previous post for Gohan's smarts..
He would struggle yes, but he can still hang on..namekiansaiyan wrote: Gohan would struggle big time against SSB and Hit, Toppo and Jiren would probably one shot him so he obviously can't take the team to the win.
Fighting wise Gohan has always been a brute that relies on rage hax....the only battle where he used his brain was against Lavender.Ki Breaker wrote:Leader in this tournament seems to not only be making the plans but intervening when stuff goes wrong, roshi might outshine Gohan in experience, but nowhere near in power, same goes for piccolo..HeroR wrote: Piccolo or Roshi would have been better leaders than Gohan.
Gohan is the perfect balance between smarts and power in their team..
What other characters you say this without providing examples Vegeta lost to hit due to not beating the time skip unlike Goku, piccolo lost to frost when was the strategy there, krillin got knocked out like a hypocrite for letting his guard down something Gohan has learned unlike most of the low tier and this is Dragon ball super if They want to (as shown) can make Gohan equal/rival Goku and Toppo they will power scaling has lost all meaningnamekiansaiyan wrote:It takes him forever to work stuff out and with other characters they do immediately without thinking that much at all.ssjprodigy wrote:Yeah ki breaker is right Gohan Has shown the best quick thing thinking in the group from the lavender fight all the way to opni which shows his great adaptability in battleHeroR wrote:
Well, he wanted to jump in when Gohan was being crushed by Cell despite standing no chance against him. Does that count?
He also pushed or knocked away an energy blast from third form Freeza after Gohan raged and got his attack sent back at him.
In what regard? Gohan haven't shown to be that smart at all. And the only "intervening when stuff goes wrong" Gohan did was deflecting one blast.
Gohan would struggle big time against SSB and Hit, Toppo and Jiren would probably one shot him so he obviously can't take the team to the win.Ki Breaker wrote:Piccolo lacks in power, SS2 to 3 level isn't good enough to carry the team till the end when real fighters will be fighting, we need someone like Gohan who can trade bows with SSB when push comes to shove..namekiansaiyan wrote: Gohan is pure power and your last line describes Piccolo.
Besides, check out my previous post for Gohan's smarts..
Goku lost to buu..Whatever wrote: So how does someone that lost so many times to people weaker than him qualifies as 'smart'?
That's not even remotely true, he lost all that rage in the cell saga..Whatever wrote: Fighting wise Gohan has always been a brute that relies on rage hax
Funny because that was what his training with piccolo was about not relying on rage and yes even though he was stronger than opni he still had to use the counter strategy to beat him who's clearly stated that so your argument is invalidWhatever wrote:Fighting wise Gohan has always been a brute that relies on rage hax....the only battle where he used his brain was against Lavender.Ki Breaker wrote:Leader in this tournament seems to not only be making the plans but intervening when stuff goes wrong, roshi might outshine Gohan in experience, but nowhere near in power, same goes for piccolo..HeroR wrote: Piccolo or Roshi would have been better leaders than Gohan.
Gohan is the perfect balance between smarts and power in their team..
And even in that battle he got a draw with someone that was weaker than him..
He lost to krillin despite being stronger than him,he lost 3 times against Piccolo,2 of those battles he was overpowered then he became stronger than Piccolo by becoming Ultimate and still lost...
He won against Obuni because he was stronger than him.If Obuni was equal in power with him then Gohan's 'plan' would have failled,not that tanking blows is much of a plan.
So how does someone that lost so many times to people weaker than him qualifies as 'smart'?
Vegeta was not smart like Goku and there was most definitely strategy in the Piccolo vs Frost match and Piccolo basically said he is the number 1 strategist. Gohan takes too long to come up with a strategy and he will fail eventually if he continues the way he his. Goku is obviously going to be way stronger than everyone.ssjprodigy wrote:What other characters you say this without providing examples Vegeta lost to hit due to not beating the time skip unlike Goku, piccolo lost to frost when was the strategy there, krillin got knocked out like a hypocrite for letting his guard down something Gohan has learned unlike most of the low tier and this is Dragon ball super if They want to (as shown) can make Gohan equal/rival Goku and Toppo they will power scaling has lost all meaningnamekiansaiyan wrote:It takes him forever to work stuff out and with other characters they do immediately without thinking that much at all.ssjprodigy wrote: Yeah ki breaker is right Gohan Has shown the best quick thing thinking in the group from the lavender fight all the way to opni which shows his great adaptability in battle
Gohan would struggle big time against SSB and Hit, Toppo and Jiren would probably one shot him so he obviously can't take the team to the win.Ki Breaker wrote: Piccolo lacks in power, SS2 to 3 level isn't good enough to carry the team till the end when real fighters will be fighting, we need someone like Gohan who can trade bows with SSB when push comes to shove..
Besides, check out my previous post for Gohan's smarts..
The parrot was nothing to him and he wouldn't waste that much energy getting rid of him instead of making his weaker teammates do it and he beat the feint by being stronger than the person using the feint. No real skill there.Ki Breaker wrote: Gohan has quick thinking and he has continued to show it in all the fights he has been recently, lavenda he figured out a way to win against the posion, suggested not to waste any energy on the parrot guy, figured out a way to beat the feints..
He has been complemented on being a great warrior in the show by enemies, twice now..
He only intervened once because that's when someone actually attacked their team and Krillin was about to get hit..
The intervention when necessary is also being done by other the team leader, Hit..
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
His counter to Opni was literally tanked and punch. I wouldn't call that brilliant thinking since it relies on Gohan being stronger than the person he's fighting.ssjprodigy wrote: Funny because that was what his training with piccolo was about not relying on rage and yes even though he was stronger than opni he still had to use the counter strategy to beat him who's clearly stated that so your argument is invalid
If you mean Kid Buu, Goku lost because of bad stamina. Not because Buu outsmarted him like Krillin did to Gohan. Plus, Buu had a lot of haxs helping him.Ki Breaker wrote:Goku lost to buu..Whatever wrote: So how does someone that lost so many times to people weaker than him qualifies as 'smart'?
Then goku isn't the smartest fighter there is?
There is a plot device called getting caught off guard, be it by a technique or something else, all characters have experienced it one time or the other..
That's not even remotely true, he lost all that rage in the cell saga..Whatever wrote: Fighting wise Gohan has always been a brute that relies on rage hax
Brute strength is common to every character there is in the show..
If he has strength, why not use the strength together with brains?
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Strategy comes natural to Piccolo and everyone expects it but with Gohan he has to think long and hard before he does anything and that is fhe difference. It also comes naturally to Goku.HeroR wrote:His counter to Opni was literally tanked and punch. I wouldn't call that brilliant thinking since it relies on Gohan being stronger than the person he's fighting.ssjprodigy wrote: Funny because that was what his training with piccolo was about not relying on rage and yes even though he was stronger than opni he still had to use the counter strategy to beat him who's clearly stated that so your argument is invalid
It isn't like how Goku beat the magical girl by using he own technique against her, even though he could have gone Super Saiyan and smashed her. He purposely fought on her level.
Piccolo also showed his own brilliant over Gohan in the same episode, making Gohan look even worse.
I mean slim buu, in super..HeroR wrote: If you mean Kid Buu, Goku lost because of bad stamina.
It's alright if you wanna stop..Arguing plot is pointless since everything in fiction is plot, including how smart Gohan is.
wont help piccolo in the TOP he is forever doomed to stay in the shadows of being a satellite character and Goku, Freeza, Gohan, Vegeta, and 17 are the only characters receiving promotion right now which really tells you something huh budnamekiansaiyan wrote:Strategy comes natural to Piccolo and everyone expects it but with Gohan he has to think long and hard before he does anything and that is fhe difference. It also comes naturally to Goku.HeroR wrote:His counter to Opni was literally tanked and punch. I wouldn't call that brilliant thinking since it relies on Gohan being stronger than the person he's fighting.ssjprodigy wrote: Funny because that was what his training with piccolo was about not relying on rage and yes even though he was stronger than opni he still had to use the counter strategy to beat him who's clearly stated that so your argument is invalid
It isn't like how Goku beat the magical girl by using he own technique against her, even though he could have gone Super Saiyan and smashed her. He purposely fought on her level.
Piccolo also showed his own brilliant over Gohan in the same episode, making Gohan look even worse.
If you say so but 5 characters from Universe 7 will not make it to the later stages unless Jiren takes out 4 of them in 1 second before he fights Goku so the promotion is obviously lying to us.ssjprodigy wrote:wont help piccolo in the TOP he is forever doomed to stay in the shadows of being a satellite character and Goku, Freeza, Gohan, Vegeta, and 17 are the only characters receiving promotion right now which really tells you something huh budnamekiansaiyan wrote:Strategy comes natural to Piccolo and everyone expects it but with Gohan he has to think long and hard before he does anything and that is fhe difference. It also comes naturally to Goku.HeroR wrote:
His counter to Opni was literally tanked and punch. I wouldn't call that brilliant thinking since it relies on Gohan being stronger than the person he's fighting.
It isn't like how Goku beat the magical girl by using he own technique against her, even though he could have gone Super Saiyan and smashed her. He purposely fought on her level.
Piccolo also showed his own brilliant over Gohan in the same episode, making Gohan look even worse.
Goku has made mistakes as well but the number of times he has shown he is smart greatly outnumber the times he has made a mistake,while the opposite is true for Gohan.Ki Breaker wrote:Goku lost to buu..Whatever wrote: So how does someone that lost so many times to people weaker than him qualifies as 'smart'?
Then goku isn't the smartest fighter there is?
There is a plot device called getting caught off guard, be it by a technique or something else, all characters have experienced it one time or the other..
That's not even remotely true, he lost all that rage in the cell saga..Whatever wrote: Fighting wise Gohan has always been a brute that relies on rage hax
Brute strength is common to every character there is in the show..
If he has strength, why not use the strength together with brains?
Of course Piccolo is gonna be there to take the blow for when Gohan screws up this time.ssjprodigy wrote:
wont help piccolo in the TOP he is forever doomed to stay in the shadows of being a satellite character and Goku, Freeza, Gohan, Vegeta, and 17 are the only characters receiving promotion right now which really tells you something huh bud
lets agree to disagree future announcements will confirm for usnamekiansaiyan wrote:If you say so but 5 characters from Universe 7 will not make it to the later stages unless Jiren takes out 4 of them in 1 second before he fights Jiren so the promotion is obviously lying to us.ssjprodigy wrote:wont help piccolo in the TOP he is forever doomed to stay in the shadows of being a satellite character and Goku, Freeza, Gohan, Vegeta, and 17 are the only characters receiving promotion right now which really tells you something huh budnamekiansaiyan wrote:
Strategy comes natural to Piccolo and everyone expects it but with Gohan he has to think long and hard before he does anything and that is fhe difference. It also comes naturally to Goku.
True, altought Goku freely admitted and Buu played him and later used that trick against Gohan.Ki Breaker wrote:I mean slim buu, in super..HeroR wrote: If you mean Kid Buu, Goku lost because of bad stamina.
It's alright if you wanna stop..Arguing plot is pointless since everything in fiction is plot, including how smart Gohan is.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Thats not a fact. Dragon ball doesn't have a definitive canon. You might think its the 42 volumes but not everyone will agree with that.Noah wrote:Nobody was talking about canon, if Super decided to throw out SSJ4 out of nowhere in the show it wouldn't change the fact that both series are non canon.Nero<>Akira wrote:this form isn't gonna make GT canon lol stop it.
