Good to know you're more interested in being childish than in having a conversation, not that it surprises me... I didn't horrendously exagerate things, I satirized the kind of dumb reasoning people tend to have. Obviously, Super fucking up a lot is just your opinion, not fact but you said it on purpose anyway so I'm not sure what you think you achieved by it because, actually, I don't mind people criticizing Super as long as they actually have a point. Toning it down was a good choice though, "butthurt" would expose your troll.dbzfan7 wrote:I never even said that. I said we'll find out what will happen, but Super's shown it's tendency to fuck up a lot so it could go either way. I literally only added that just to see if you would get angry if I said that, and it seems you got triggered and horrendously exaggerated things.
It's not pureness of heart, it's not having evil ki. Anyways, Gohan was affected by it because he got pushed back afterwards, otherwise he'd stood his ground unaffected. When was the last time Goku called an attack "ally"? That seems more like "baby talk" to have his own kid react quickly and not get hit by the ki ball heading towards him. The matter of fact is that, after that incident, the Genkidama was never shown to have any special anti-evil abilities again. The way I see it, Gohan deflected a ki ball (that already had lost half of its power anyway) and Vegeeta didn't have time to defend himself and got hit by it. There.dbzfan7 wrote:The whole point of the scene was Gohan was pure of heart and could not be effected by it. That's why he could bounce it back. If he wasn't pure of heart, he'd literally be killed by the move right on the spot. That's why Gohan easily deflected it without a scratch on him. If it was by his own force that allowed him to push it back, then Vegeta would not take nearly as much damage as he did. By your definition, Gohan should have just died pure heart or not considering he is much weaker than Vegeta is.
That's because instead of a pure heart, Boo had enough power to hold it back. So it's much different. A pure hearted individual is not harmed, while an evil individual has to have enough strength to overcome such massive power. Boo survived on raw power, not on pureness. So he couldn't simply bounce it back as easily as Gohan. Not to mention in all three cases it's used on a villain, and not a person who is of pure heart. The Genki Dama can not harm someone of pure heart, which Goku himself assured Gohan of when he thought the attack was gonna kill him. It can be pushed back with enough force if you're evil. I have no idea how you are even coming to these conclusions. It needs enough power to overcome the power of a villain. That has nothing to do with a pure good being, as it's not used on one.
Planets don't have a soul or definition to even be considered good or evil, they don't have a ki at all to be judged. If Goku shoots it at Jiren and he's pure....he simply knocks it back just like Gohan did. It's literally as simple as that. Not to mention how the Genki dama works as it's not simple 1 to 1 ki, or Gohan along could have powered the Super Genki Dama up. It's not gonna go through him or disintegrate. He'll merely push it back without having to use much effort, and then it flies beyond the abyss before exploding. And that's only if he's a pure hearted being, which again Good does not equal pure. Good and pure are two different things and classifications. We don't know Jiren's personality fully...or if he'll even have one.
No it doesn't. It just has more power stockpiled into it. It's completely ineffective against if Jiren is of pure heart. Just like Gohan it won't do a thing. More power doesn't suddenly make it more of a big deal to reflect for a pure being. It's weight was enough to push Gohan back, but not even harm him when it did.
I'm not even arguing that the Genki Dama can't be used at all. They can totally make it work. They could also mess it up. I think it's plenty easy to make it work. Jiren isn't pure of heart, therefore it works fine. Goku can sense a ki if it's evil or not, so he'd know. It's easy to make work in Super. It's not an implausible idea. The bigger question is to see where he's gonna get that energy from. He's in a void world. Ki is not 1 to 1 Genki so that's not gonna make a difference, and I'm not sure God's are allowed to really give their energy to such an attack. Sounds like outside help. I'm curious to how this will be done.
You're just moving the goalposts. So now, not having evil ki doesn't matter, he was just strong enough to hold his own? How does that make any sense? You're making up rules that aren't said anywhere else, not even Kaiou talked about evil ki when he was explaining the Genkidama to the readers. Actually, he warned Goku that it was a dangerous technique that could even destroy the planet he would try to defend. You know, the planet that actually lent its genki to begin with... Doesn't sound like an anti-evil technique that only works on bad guys to me.
The Mafuuba works on everyone and there are people that think it only works against evil guys as well. The Mafuuba works by default, it doesn't need time to charge depending on the enemy. Can you see the difference? If the Genkidama was "evil only", it wouldn't need to charge anything since its special properties would work regardless of how strong the person was, they'd just need to be evil. Except that's not the case and it wasn't shown to be, you can cling to one sentence Goku said all you want but if it wouldn't harm Gohan he wouldn't have the need to say something to get it out of Gohan's way as quickly as possible, let alone hitting Vegeeta, which was an afterthought at that point.
Planets have genki and "willfully" lend it to Goku and can get destroyed by it. You'd think an anti-evil attack would realize what it was attacking or exploding on since it's already picky to begin with.
Anyway, curious about Frost and Freeza's role.
I'd rather think a little than default to "Toriyama forgot X" and "Toei hates Y" kind of conclusions.
