Super Episode 112 (22 October 2017)

[Li'l Lemmy]

At least know we know why Vegeta was so determined on being the last man standing and winning the Tournament Of Power. He wants to use the Super Dragon Balls to resurrect Universe 6, should they be erased, so he can visit Planet Sadala and meet the king of the Saiyans in that universe that Cabba talked about back in the Champa arc.

Really nice callback.

Also, does anyone else think the reason that Vegeta refers to himself as Vegeta-sama sometimes is because of how Cabba looks up to him and constantly calls him Master/Sensei every time they meet? I mean, keep in mind, Vegeta only started calling himself that after the Champa arc. Do you think that having someone look up to Vegeta so much like Cabba does lead to him having a more elevated sense of worth?

Didn't he call himself Vegeta-sama a few times during the Boo arc? O.o

[HeroR]

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Everyone knows my Goten bias. It's obvious and plain as day; I make no excuses for it.

Thst being said, while I disagree with you that Goten has no personality, I would rather even that than what we get in Caulifla. She's the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat to come out of this series. I'm not and have never made it about a Goten vs. Caulifla thing. I never talk about the two in relation to each other. It's about how I happen to feel about her character, not how Goten compares to her. Goten is lacking and needs development too, and I'm obvioisly pretty vocal about that.

I'm also not stirring things up with people who happen to enjoy the character. My criticism is always leveled directly at Caulifla and not the fandom. There's no need to make this personal, so let's stick to civility and limit the snark to characters themselves.

More selfish than Cell Saga Vegeta who sold out his allies for a good fight and was an absolute bastard to his son on top of him believing that he should have Super Saiyan be the strongest in the universe because he was the "Prince of All Saiyans"? Yeah you're pushing it.

Cali had shown more care and love than a lot of characters in this tournament, especially in 101 when she shielded Kale, 104 where she was ready to help Hit despite still being hurt, 111 when she was willing to help Hit again despite him fighting Jiren, and just this last episode when she wanted to fight with Cabba. How do these traits make her the "the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat to come out of this series"?

Even going as far back before the tournament she was proud when Kale got a Super Saiyan form that surpassed hers, not jealous or angry. She also never stopped believing in Kale even when Kale had no fate in herself. So you can call Cali arrogant and I will even give you entitled, but a selfish brat, hardly.

It's one thing to be bias, but it's another thing to just character assassinate.

[Li'l Lemmy]

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Everyone knows my Goten bias. It's obvious and plain as day; I make no excuses for it.

Thst being said, while I disagree with you that Goten has no personality, I would rather even that than what we get in Caulifla. She's the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat to come out of this series. I'm not and have never made it about a Goten vs. Caulifla thing. I never talk about the two in relation to each other. It's about how I happen to feel about her character, not how Goten compares to her. Goten is lacking and needs development too, and I'm obvioisly pretty vocal about that.

I'm also not stirring things up with people who happen to enjoy the character. My criticism is always leveled directly at Caulifla and not the fandom. There's no need to make this personal, so let's stick to civility and limit the snark to characters themselves.

More selfish than Cell Saga Vegeta who sold out his allies for a good fight and was an absolute bastard to his son on top of him believing that he should have Super Saiyan be the strongest in the universe because he was the "Prince of All Saiyans"? Yeah you're pushing it.

Cali had shown more care and love than a lot of characters in this tournament, especially in 101 when she shielded Kale, 104 where she was ready to help Hit despite still being hurt, 111 when she was willing to help Hit again despite him fighting Jiren, and just this last episode when she wanted to fight with Cabba. How do these traits make her the "the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat to come out of this series"?

Even going as far back before the tournament she was proud when Kale got a Super Saiyan form that surpassed hers, not jealous or angry. She also never stopped believing in Kale even when Kale had no fate in herself. So you can call Cali arrogant and I will even give you entitled, but a selfish brat, hardly.

It's one thing to be bias, but it's another thing to just character assassinate.

I axtually meant DBS specifically, but it certainly would have helped had I clarified.

Nobody can really be as much of an outright dick as Cell arc Vegeta, not even Caulifla. I wouldn't necessarily compare the two, so apologies if it seemed like that was my intention this time around. (I did at least mention Vegeta before, I think?) That being said, I certainly see at least some of those traits being shared between them.

I'm not saying that Caulifla has zero redeeming qualities. Her relationship with Kale is obviously meant to give a soft edge to her. My intention is to state that those qualities are a sacrificial lamb on the altar of her overwhelmingly arrogant ego, which- among other things- I do not care for. The bullshit powerups don't help either, but when has DragonBall ever pulled any punches in that regard.

I do absolutely dislike the hell out of her anyway, but that's just me.

[HeroR]

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Everyone knows my Goten bias. It's obvious and plain as day; I make no excuses for it.

Thst being said, while I disagree with you that Goten has no personality, I would rather even that than what we get in Caulifla. She's the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat to come out of this series. I'm not and have never made it about a Goten vs. Caulifla thing. I never talk about the two in relation to each other. It's about how I happen to feel about her character, not how Goten compares to her. Goten is lacking and needs development too, and I'm obvioisly pretty vocal about that.

I'm also not stirring things up with people who happen to enjoy the character. My criticism is always leveled directly at Caulifla and not the fandom. There's no need to make this personal, so let's stick to civility and limit the snark to characters themselves.

More selfish than Cell Saga Vegeta who sold out his allies for a good fight and was an absolute bastard to his son on top of him believing that he should have Super Saiyan and be the strongest in the universe because he was the "Prince of All Saiyans"? Yeah you're pushing it.

Cali had shown more care and love than a lot of characters in this tournament, especially in 101 when she shielded Kale, 104 where she was ready to help Hit despite still being hurt, 111 when she was willing to help Hit again despite him fighting Jiren, and just this last episode when she wanted to fight with Cabba. How do these traits make her the "the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat to come out of this series"?

Even going as far back before the tournament she was proud when Kale got a Super Saiyan form that surpassed hers, not jealous or angry. She also never stopped believing in Kale even when Kale had no fate in herself. So you can call Cali arrogant and I will even give you entitled, but a selfish brat, hardly.

It's one thing to be bias, but it's another thing to just character assassinate.

I axtually meant DBS specifically, but it certainly would have helped had I clarified.

Nobody can really be as much of an outright dick as Cell arc Vegeta, not even Caulifla. I woukdn't necessarily compare the two, so apologies if it seemed like that was my intention. That being said, I certainly see at least some of those traits being shared between them.

I'm not saying that Caukifla has zero redeemimg qualities. My intention is to state that those qualities are a sacrificial lamb on the altar of her overwhelmingly arrogant ego, which I do not care for. The bullshit powerups don't help either, but when has DragonBall ever pulled any punches in that regard.

Even in Super she wouldn’t be “the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat”. Beerus and Champa easily surpassed her. Cali is just cocky, while also being easily impressed by those stronger than her and wants to learn from them. She’s a lot like Goku in that sense.

But thanks for the classification since I honestly couldn’t believe you thought any hero-type character surpassed Cell Saga or even Buu Saga Vegeta in being “the most selfish, arrogant and entitled brat”.

[Lord Beerus]

At least know we know why Vegeta was so determined on being the last man standing and winning the Tournament Of Power. He wants to use the Super Dragon Balls to resurrect Universe 6, should they be erased, so he can visit Planet Sadala and meet the king of the Saiyans in that universe that Cabba talked about back in the Champa arc.

Really nice callback.

Also, does anyone else think the reason that Vegeta refers to himself as Vegeta-sama sometimes is because of how Cabba looks up to him and constantly calls him Master/Sensei every time they meet? I mean, keep in mind, Vegeta only started calling himself that after the Champa arc. Do you think that having someone look up to Vegeta so much like Cabba does lead to him having a more elevated sense of worth?

Didn't he call himself Vegeta-sama a few times during the Boo arc? O.o

You know, I'm not sure. I can't remember. Maybe he did.

[Username2016]

I actually do think Caulifla is a bit similar to Vegeta in personality not that that’s a bad thing.

Yeah they're a bit similar

But one thinks she's better than everyone for doing nothing

While the other one actually TRAINS to get better than everyone.

Caulifla is supportive of Kale when most probably would have left Kale behind and not seen her potential. She’s a great friend & that makes her a-ok in my book.

I like to see the positive attributes of a character and not the negative.

True Caulifla may get transformations quicker than I would like but that’s really the fault of the writing not her character.

Yeah Caulifla is so supportive of Kale she just straight up ignored her in favor of fighting Goku in ep 100. Then when Kale went Berserk Caulifla did a complete 180 and acted like she cared for her.

And in this episode Kale was scared of Jirens power (because who WOULDN'T be scared of Jiren the fucker is stronger than time). And instead of postively reassuring Kale she takes the chance to boost about her own power.

This is speculation but I believe the only reason Caulifla cares for Kale is because Kale can turn into a LSSJ. I mean she flocked all over Cabba for SSJ, and she flocked all over Goku for SSJ2 (and blue for a little bit). Kale might've turn into LSSJ way before her first introduction, and to keep her calm Caulifla pretends to care for her but in reality she wants her power.

[Asura]

Caulifla did annoy me a bit this episode though, I won't lie. When Kale asked her if she was scared and she said she was scared of her own overwhelming power or something, I expected there to be a brief cut of her thinking/saying to herself that yeah, she actually is scared. But nope, just really annoying bravado. I like her arrogant and holier-than-thou attitude, but she should be feeling at least a bit overwhelmed/frightened after seeing how strong Goku is multiple times and how he still got bodied by Jiren, plus then seeing her team leader, Hit, get knocked out by said Jiren, it should all add up to her getting less cocky and more cautious. She's already a controversial character but people will start disliking her a lot more if her cockyness and Mary Sue like nature doesn't change at all.

Bad writing for Caulifla this episode. Boo!

Her personality is about as well balanced as a bowling ball could rest on a needle. I'd rather shove the needle up my ass than engage in such a pointless exercise.

I also feel this was a missed opportunity. IMO, Ribrianne's best moment came in the last episode when she was beginning to doubt herself. Nobodies perfect and we all have moments of weakness. However, in these moments we find our resolve, and Ribrianne was able to recover from her feelings of doubt. A moment where Caulifla would've had to lift her own spirits, or better yet, Kale lifting both their spirits (how's that for growth) would've been much more preferable to Caulifla glossing over the uphill battle that Universe 6 is facing.

It does lack balance and a hint of realism. Having her express concern wouldn't ruin her character, it'd just show that there's more to her and rightfully so. Goku's as confident and carefree as it gets and even he is showing concern over whether or not he can master UI to defeat Jiren. Doesn't mean his character has changed, just means he's appropriately reacting to the threat at hand.

I think Caulfila expressing overconfidence in a scenario like this was warranted. Especially considering the person who asked her whether she was scared after witnessing Goku vs Jiren was Kale. A character who's self confidence is solely relied upon by Caulfila reflective attitude, something Caulfila is already very well aware of given how much she has to pep talk her and remind her how much she has belief in her so that she can fight at her best. I think Caulfila if she straight up told Kale she was scared it would done no favour for her morale. Sometimes it's better to inspire hope through false pretences, than to take person's confidence back down to earth by telling the awful truth.

Caulifla could have easily said that of course she was scared, but then go on to give an inspirational speech to Kale about how despite being scared, they've still got to give it their all since U6 now rests on their shoulders. The way they wrote her this episode just sucked.

Also I find it funny how before this episode everyone acknowledged that Cabba was barely a character with barely a personality with barely a single thing interesting about him, and now all of a sudden people are like Oh Cabba's been a great character this entire time! Yeah funny how that all works now that we have an episode where he does get some character development, now all of a sudden Cabba's been a wonderfully interesting and well developed character this entire time! Who knew? Funny how that all works.

[Kinokima]

False. Vegeta's has regressed to his Cell Saga self, which is why he's so annoying whenever he's on screen. All he does is run his mouth and isn't a team player(won't help Goku with the Spirit Bomb). Frieza and Hit havebecome a much more interesting character and I'm excited to see what they do with Gohan, #17 and the others. Vegeta needs to hurry up and go to the bleachers because it's so amusing to watch him be an arrogant asshole and get humiliated every time Toei loves poking fun at him by having Beerus, Toppo, Whis, Black, etc... remind Vegeta that he's not the trump card or main dish, or that he's even important in the grand scheme of things(which makes it even more funny). It's like they're parodying his character at this point, or are closet TFS fans

Can you stop with your ignorant character bashing. Yes Toei hates Vegeta so much that is why he is featured so much in the series and so does Toshio. If you actually follow Toshio’s tweets you can see he is fan of Vegeta. It’s clearly you who hate Vegeta and just like to bash his character. You like different characters good for you then talk about those characters and stop bashing Vegeta.

Vegeta is nothing like his Cell Saga self and if you can’t see that then you don’t understand characterization. Vegeta let Cell become Perfect & his arrogance put others in danger. Please show me where that has happened here? Vegeta wanting to fight the strongest opponent is no different than Goku and it’s because he is a Saiyan. Vegeta would be more upset that he didn’t fight with pride then getting knocked out. Sure he will be upset that he loses but I am pretty sure he would be more upset if he didn’t give it his all.

And big deal that Vegeta didn’t give energy for the spirit bomb. He still helped Goku by blasting Ribirianne away when she tried to attack him from behind and told Goku to rest. If you want to criticize Vegeta not giving energy to Goku then criticize the inconsistency of the writing.

Goku said if he was to wish for something it would be to wish for a stronger opponent. Did you give him a hard time for that? Goku and Vegeta while having different personalities are very similar in other ways and their love of fighting. Funny how Goku seems to completely understand Vegeta.


Do you really think Cell Vegeta would say his wish would be to wish back another Universe? Or would have rescued Cabba from Monna like he did? Seriously!


Sure Vegeta is not perfect and has personality quirks but that doesn’t mean his character has regressed. Vegeta is at the whims of the writers just like every other character.


Edit: Toshio’s tweet about Vegeta showing how his character has progressed. But yes he totally hates him

https://twitter.com/toshio916/status/921178308686909440

Then why don't any of the other characters respect him? Beerus, Whis, Goku Black, all the other Gods, and now Toppo have acknowledged that Vegeta is #2 at best and is not as important as Goku. Goku will always be MVP. Those are the writers doing that. Toshio may like Vegeta, but he likes Goku even more. Japan loves Goku so much that they got pissed at Toryiama for trying to make Gohan (who has the most potential) the main character after the Cell Saga. Goku is the main character. You need to understand that he may only be 4th best now after Frieza and Gohan. And yes, he's acting just as cocky as he was during the Cell Saga. He still thinks he's somehow stronger than Goku and can take on Jiren hahaha. The writers are setting him up for an epic beatdown. This is Vegeta's role in the series.

You seem to think being second to Goku the main character of the series is a bad thing. Of course Goku is always going to be stronger than Vegeta. Does that somehow mean Vegeta is also not strong and can’t get stronger. If a characters worth is only based on being the most powerful then then that would mean ONLY Goku has any worth in the series.

And if you are talking about Freeza being stronger than Vegeta because of a magazine scan let’s wait and see. Freeza is clearly still a villain who enjoys torturing his victims and wants to overtake the Gods. Let’s see how long he stays on top. And I don’t see where Gohan has surpassed him is coming from except your own wishes for the character. Personally I hope Vegeta & Gohan both get new power ups. But that is just my hopes I don’t throw theories out of nowhere.


And as for Vegeta’s role in the series to get epically beat down how many of those has he actually had in Super? The only one I can think of is against Hit (when he didn’t know about the time skip) and even Hit praised his tenacity. So yeah clearly they are setting up Vegeta for an epic beat down. Sure Vegeta will eventually lose like almost every character but only he is going to get humiliated according to you because that’s apparently his only purpose. And no I don’t notice this constant lack of respect either. It’s all in your false exaggerated perception based on your character hate.

And Jiren was also stronger than Goku but apparently it’s okay for Goku to challenge Jiren but not Vegeta. You don’t see the hypocrisy in that. Yes Vegeta wants to surpass Goku & Jiren that doesn’t mean he is ignorant of his own power level. He’s not an idiot he can see how strong Jiren is and Goku’s new form. Vegeta wanting to fight the strongest is completely in character and no character regression or delusion. The difference in the Cell Saga if I have to point it out to you is Vegeta had no clue how powerful Perfect Cell would be but let him transform based on his misguided pride & put the world in danger. Nothing like that has happened here.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think that everyone needs to calm down here. Even if people are "attacking" a character you like....they are cartoon characters, not extensions of yourself. Get over it.

On the other side, what is up with attacking people because of the character they like? "Sounds right, coming from a GOTEN-fan! herp-derp." I'm assuming that no one here is four. Grow the fuck up.

[Lord Beerus]

I also feel this was a missed opportunity. IMO, Ribrianne's best moment came in the last episode when she was beginning to doubt herself. Nobodies perfect and we all have moments of weakness. However, in these moments we find our resolve, and Ribrianne was able to recover from her feelings of doubt. A moment where Caulifla would've had to lift her own spirits, or better yet, Kale lifting both their spirits (how's that for growth) would've been much more preferable to Caulifla glossing over the uphill battle that Universe 6 is facing.

It does lack balance and a hint of realism. Having her express concern wouldn't ruin her character, it'd just show that there's more to her and rightfully so. Goku's as confident and carefree as it gets and even he is showing concern over whether or not he can master UI to defeat Jiren. Doesn't mean his character has changed, just means he's appropriately reacting to the threat at hand.

I think Caulfila expressing overconfidence in a scenario like this was warranted. Especially considering the person who asked her whether she was scared after witnessing Goku vs Jiren was Kale. A character who's self confidence is solely relied upon by Caulfila reflective attitude, something Caulfila is already very well aware of given how much she has to pep talk her and remind her how much she has belief in her so that she can fight at her best. I think Caulfila if she straight up told Kale she was scared it would done no favour for her morale. Sometimes it's better to inspire hope through false pretences, than to take person's confidence back down to earth by telling the awful truth.

Caulifla could have easily said that of course she was scared, but then go on to give an inspirational speech to Kale about how despite being scared, they've still got to give it their all since U6 now rests on their shoulders. The way they wrote her this episode just sucked.

Also I find it funny how before this episode everyone acknowledged that Cabba was barely a character with barely a personality with barely a single thing interesting about him, and now all of a sudden people are like Oh Cabba's been a great character this entire time! Yeah funny how that all works now that we have an episode where he does get some character development, now all of a sudden Cabba's been a wonderfully interesting and well developed character this entire time! Who knew? Funny how that all works.

Hit already practically gave the whole "You need to keep fighting for Universe 6 despite the scenario" speech in last weeks episode. And knowing how much Hit was their ace-in-the-hole and seeing him get knocked out despite giving his all, Caulilfa wisely chose the easy route of just self motivating herself and Kale, because Gods knows they need every bit of confidence knowing what they're up against and who is left on their team.

Who has been saying that Cabba has always had a great character? I mean, for Saiyan with less traits that come with being a pure blooded Saiyan (Arrogant, energetic, a love for battle etc) Cabba is... okay. I don't really care much for him given that his character is pretty one dimensional, but he has his moments that I enjoy. I really think he's the kind of character who needs someone to pair up with.

[fadeddreams5]

I think that everyone needs to calm down here. Even if people are "attacking" a character you like....they are cartoon characters, not extensions of yourself. Get over it.

On the other side, what is up with attacking people because of the character they like? "Sounds right, coming from a GOTEN-fan! herp-derp." I'm assuming that no one here is four. Grow the fuck up.

Pfft...who let the Kamiccolo fan in here? Piccolo was way cooler as the son of the demon king. Kami turned him into a pansy.

[Li'l Lemmy]

I think that everyone needs to calm down here. Even if people are "attacking" a character you like....they are cartoon characters, not extensions of yourself. Get over it.

On the other side, what is up with attacking people because of the character they like? "Sounds right, coming from a GOTEN-fan! herp-derp." I'm assuming that no one here is four. Grow the fuck up.

Pfft...who let the Kamiccolo fan in here? Piccolo was way cooler as the son of the demon king. Kami turned him into a pansy.

Great stuff. O.O

[Asura]

I think Caulfila expressing overconfidence in a scenario like this was warranted. Especially considering the person who asked her whether she was scared after witnessing Goku vs Jiren was Kale. A character who's self confidence is solely relied upon by Caulfila reflective attitude, something Caulfila is already very well aware of given how much she has to pep talk her and remind her how much she has belief in her so that she can fight at her best. I think Caulfila if she straight up told Kale she was scared it would done no favour for her morale. Sometimes it's better to inspire hope through false pretences, than to take person's confidence back down to earth by telling the awful truth.

Caulifla could have easily said that of course she was scared, but then go on to give an inspirational speech to Kale about how despite being scared, they've still got to give it their all since U6 now rests on their shoulders. The way they wrote her this episode just sucked.

Also I find it funny how before this episode everyone acknowledged that Cabba was barely a character with barely a personality with barely a single thing interesting about him, and now all of a sudden people are like Oh Cabba's been a great character this entire time! Yeah funny how that all works now that we have an episode where he does get some character development, now all of a sudden Cabba's been a wonderfully interesting and well developed character this entire time! Who knew? Funny how that all works.

Hit already practically gave the whole "You need to keep fighting for Universe 6 despite the scenario" speech in last weeks episode. And knowing how much Hit was their ace-in-the-hole and seeing him get knocked out despite giving his all, Caulilfa wisely chose the easy route of just self motivating herself and Kale, because Gods knows they need every bit of confidence knowing what they're up against and who is left on their team.

Who has been saying that Cabba has always had a great character? I mean, for Saiyan with less traits that come with being a pure blooded Saiyan (Arrogant, energetic, a love for battle etc) Cabba is... okay. I don't really care much for him given that his character is pretty one dimensional, but he has his moments that I enjoy. I really think he's the kind of character who needs someone to pair up with.

Caulifla "wisely" chose the easy route of self motivating herself and Kale? I don't think I'd label anything Caulifla says as "wise". I don't think non-stop boasting and sucking her own dick is wise. There's a time and a place for it, but after seeing all the crazy shit that's been happening so far with people a zillion times stronger than her as well as most of her team being eliminated including Hit who is many times stronger than her, she should start to humble out a little bit and stop giving herself auto fellatio to think for a moment about what her next action is going to be other than "No worries Kale, I am literally the greatest, Jiren and Son Goku got nothin' on me." If she was saying this just to encourage Kale and give off a false sense of bravado it'd be fine, but she genuinely believes in the shit she's spewing.

[Kinokima]

I think that everyone needs to calm down here. Even if people are "attacking" a character you like....they are cartoon characters, not extensions of yourself. Get over it.
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Thanks for your concern but no character bashing is completely immature and when I see it I will speak out against it.

Everyone has the right to dislike whatever character they choose but they don’t need to constantly attack that character. Instead of having in-depth discussions let’s constantly compare characters to each other based on power level, hope characters are viciously beaten down and tortured because we hate them, and look forward to characters losing in embarrassing ways. People take too much glee over bringing things down that other people enjoy.

[Cabba]

It's one thing to be bias, but it's another thing to just character assassinate.

The key difference here is that Vegeta was already an established character, with a lot history already that many people liked. When i first saw the Cell/android saga i recall thinking Vegeta why are you being such a tool? I still like you though but why? please stop kinda feel

With Caulilfla it feels more like an asshole/cunt new comer that acts like a hot shot before actually winning anyones heart, its natural people will react adversely to that

[Li'l Lemmy]

It's one thing to be bias, but it's another thing to just character assassinate.

The key difference here is that Vegeta was already an established character, with a lot history already that many people liked. When i first saw the Cell/android saga i recall thinking Vegeta why are you being such a tool? I still like you though but why? please stop kinda feel

With Caulilfla it feels more like an asshole/cunt new comer that acts like a hot shot before actually winning anyones heart, its natural people will react adversely to that

I think the mistake is that the staff or whoever believe that Caulifla being a jackass will endear her to us, so they overdo her being a total dick and for some of us, it causes the opposite of the intended effect.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think that everyone needs to calm down here. Even if people are "attacking" a character you like....they are cartoon characters, not extensions of yourself. Get over it.

On the other side, what is up with attacking people because of the character they like? "Sounds right, coming from a GOTEN-fan! herp-derp." I'm assuming that no one here is four. Grow the fuck up.

Pfft...who let the Kamiccolo fan in here? Piccolo was way cooler as the son of the demon king. Kami turned him into a pansy.

Don't worry if Piccolo absorbs one of these new Namekians who seem to have an evil side then that Piccolo will be back while also one shotting Jiren.

[HeroR]

It's one thing to be bias, but it's another thing to just character assassinate.

The key difference here is that Vegeta was already an established character, with a lot history already that many people liked. When i first saw the Cell/android saga i recall thinking Vegeta why are you being such a tool? I still like you though but why? please stop kinda feel

With Caulilfla it feels more like an asshole/cunt new comer that acts like a hot shot before actually winning anyones heart, its natural people will react adversely to that

I think the mistake is that the staff or whoever believe that Caulifla being a jackass will endear her to us, so they overdo her being a total dick and for some of us, it causes the opposite of the intended effect.

Given how popular she is, I don’t think it did the opposite for the most part.

And Beerus is an even bigger dick and people loved him in Battle of Gods.

[Jigurashi]

I don't mind Caulifla's arrogant attitude. But Cabba himself said that she should really temper her arrogance as her cocky attitude is what might possibly come back to bite her. She genuinely does believe in her own hype. I don't dislike her for it, but it's true that she's so arrogant that she hypes herself up to be in the league with the top dogs when she's more of a mid tier. I wouldn't at all be surprised if she somehow gets eliminated due to her own arrogance. I still feel like she's going to get eliminated before Kale, which might force Kale to have to fend for herself and start growing as a character.

[namekiansaiyan]

The key difference here is that Vegeta was already an established character, with a lot history already that many people liked. When i first saw the Cell/android saga i recall thinking Vegeta why are you being such a tool? I still like you though but why? please stop kinda feel

With Caulilfla it feels more like an asshole/cunt new comer that acts like a hot shot before actually winning anyones heart, its natural people will react adversely to that

I think the mistake is that the staff or whoever believe that Caulifla being a jackass will endear her to us, so they overdo her being a total dick and for some of us, it causes the opposite of the intended effect.

Given how popular she is, I don’t think it did the opposite for the most part.

And Beerus is an even bigger dick and people loved him in Battle of Gods.

Beerus is a God of Destruction so he can act exactly how he wants and get away with it.