"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Wait? Pfft, come on; it's not like DBS is known for a lot of it's more controversial-sounding ideas becoming some of it's most praiseworthy aspects. Remember how much Black sucked?

Remember how much bringing Freeza back for this arc would suck?

I do. I was definitely on the side that thought Buu getting sidelined for Freeza was a really, phenomenally awful idea. Holy butts, was I wrong.

The problem wasn't Frieza it is that Buu lost his place. I still think it should have been 12 fighters so we couod have both Buu and Yamcha.

I just can't believe they are focusing 3 episodes on this when we have much more exciting things going on.

I can relate, its been ages since we had the androids whoop ass, I miss me some 17 and 18 action, we also have the namekians vs Gohan and Piccolo, Vegeta V Toppo and Freeza out there, but meh we just had to have 3 eps of more saiyan centered fights with probably the other players fighting as a background from time to time, I swear to God if Goku doesnt throw those asses out on ep 115 it'll be the last straw that breaks the camel's back.

Look at the (potential) bright side. Chances are that this is Cauli and Kale's final gig in this arc, and it was always evident that they were going to go out with a bang.
Assuming the namekians don't end up getting eliminated on the side in the next few episodes, it could mean they outlasted everyone from U6.

Happy thoughts, people!

We are just going to get 20 second scenes for every other fight until Kale and Caulifla are finished. This fight will probably just be used so Goku can get Ultra Instinct back.

I just can't believe that Kale and Caulifla are going to get 5 tournament episodes. We have all these other characters and they give us this.

[Kanassa]

I have a feeling Goku is doing this to recover enough energy to go Ultra Instinct again. Looking at the preview, fighting Caulifla helps him recover enough to go 3, so maybe he needs a stronger opponent to get the rest?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was Goku trying to regain UI by pressuring his body against a much stronger power like what happened when he struggled against the Jiren-forced spirit bomb.

[Michsi]

I jus't cant believe that Kale and Caulifla are going to get 5 tournament episodes. We have all these other characters and they give us this.

It's like I always said - saiyans are the darlings of Dragon Ball. They will always get special treatment.

And fans have been clamoring for female saiyans for decades, of course they would be given a ton of attention. The fact that many western fans don't like how they're written means little to the studio, it seems they are well liked among the Japanese fans, if bi-lingual twitter users are to be believed.

[namekiansaiyan]

I jus't cant believe that Kale and Caulifla are going to get 5 tournament episodes. We have all these other characters and they give us this.

It's like I always said - saiyans are the darlings of Dragon Ball. They will always get special treatment.

And fans have been clamoring for female saiyans for decades, of course they would be given a ton of attention. The fact that many western fans don't like how they're written means little to the studio, it seems they are well liked among the Japanese fans, if bi-lingual twitter users are to be believed.

It is why I hate the concept of Saiyans.

They may be popular but 5 episodes is way to many when Cabba got 1. They also do care about international audiences as they bring in a lot money.

At least this is happening now and not right at the end of the tournament.

[sintzu]

Its going to be fun watching the haters have mental breakdowns the next few weeks. Anything that gets under y'all's skin in a good thing in my book.

Some of us still remember what this franchise used to be and hold to a certain standard, we're not blind fanboys who just got into it because it's popular and wll eventually drop it and move on to the next popular thing.

If we "hated" Super as you say then we wouldn't still be watching it and keeping up with its news.

The fact that many western fans don't like how they're written means little to the studio, it seems they are well liked among the Japanese fans.

If that's the case then they can rely on them to actually buy the show.

It is why I hate the concept of Saiyans.

They may be popular but 5 episodes is way to many when Cabba got 1.

They also do care about international audiences as they bring in a lot money.

They didn't fully take over until the Buu arc so it wasn't bad in the original.

5 is too much for good characters when you have so many being pushed aside let alone these terrable ones.

The Japanese fans are always a very higher priority over everyone else. The best way to show our disapproval for what's going on is to simply not buy the show. Will it change anything ? probably not, but it's better than nothing. Maybe if enough do then they'll get their act together. As far as I know the Toonami ratings aren't as good as they should be and if that got One Piece off the air then it will Super as well. That should send a clear message to them.

[Ki Breaker]

Whatever they are doing with Kale and Cauliflowa might be the very thing that's needed..
We have a chance infront of us to receive a brand new female saiyan, a fresh slate, filling it out correctly could produce results much better than what we have as of now..

[sintzu]

Whatever they are doing with Kale and Cauliflowa might be the very thing we needed..
We have a chance infront of us to receive a brand new female saiyan, a fresh slate, filling it out correctly could produce results much better than what we have as of now..

They could which I hope they do but they've had not one (kale) not two (cauliflaw) but there (ribbion) chances to get it right and they didn't so you should keep your expectations very low.

[OverHeaven]

It's not like I hate the idea of this fusion itself, I'm just disappointed. That idea of a new mysterious warrior interrupting the tournament somehow and potentially became the new main threat was far more interesting. In the end it seems like this will be just yet another normal tournament like Universe 6 arc.

I know they treated Frieza godly this far, but who knows they may fucked it up by making him lose pathetically before even doing any successful contributions to his plan.

And it's funny how most, if not all of Super's ideas already existed years ago as fan fiction. At the end, the writers are just like any normal fans.

[Simere]

I jus't cant believe that Kale and Caulifla are going to get 5 tournament episodes. We have all these other characters and they give us this.

It's like I always said - saiyans are the darlings of Dragon Ball. They will always get special treatment.

And fans have been clamoring for female saiyans for decades, of course they would be given a ton of attention. The fact that many western fans don't like how they're written means little to the studio, it seems they are well liked among the Japanese fans, if bi-lingual twitter users are to be believed.

"Many western fans" would do well to not inflate their own importance even among western fans.

[namekiansaiyan]

Whatever they are doing with Kale and Cauliflowa might be the very thing that's needed..
We have a chance infront of us to receive a brand new female saiyan, a fresh slate, filling it out correctly could produce results much better than what we have as of now..

Are trying to tell me you only care about this fusion because you get to see a new female Saiyan?

I think Goku will suggest fusion after the Robots interfere again and fuse.

I think the purpose of this fusion is so Goku can get Ultra Instinct back. The fusion will then run out and Frieza will get to do to them what he did to Cabba.

[Son Vegito]

Wtf fusion in the ToP? Is this becoming DB Heroes or something? Well at least something is happening.

Have you guys read the rumors about Super possibly ending at March 25th? If it's true, I think the it will continue under a different name.

[Alruneia]

The main question on the minds of at least the Western part of the fandom is most likely "Why though?" I can't imagine that this decision will be very well received. I'm not exactly happy about this turn of events myself, though I did always have a feeling that the new super warrior would have something to do with Kale, so I'm willing to give it a try. RIP El Hermano. Also, I think Kalifla (ケーリフラ, keerifura) would've sounded much better than Kefla (ケフラ, kefura).

[sintzu]

In the end it seems like this will be just yet another normal tournament like Universe arc.

I know they treated Frieza godly this far, but who knows they may fucked it up by making him lose pathetically before even doing any successful contributions to his plan.

And it's funny how most, if not all of Super's ideas were already existed years ago as fan fiction. At the end, the writers are just like any normal fans.

The difference is that was just 14 episodes long, this thing's been going on since February and was hyped up for a long time only to fall flat on its face.

They're running out of fighters for him so hopefully they've got something worth bringing him back for.

I've read that when creators come back to something years later they'll work more like a fan would due to how long its been which is what we're seeing here. They've got some really great things but it's all mixed with fan service and fan ideas.

[Ki Breaker]

Whatever they are doing with Kale and Cauliflowa might be the very thing we needed..
We have a chance infront of us to receive a brand new female saiyan, a fresh slate, filling it out correctly could produce results much better than what we have as of now..

They could which I hope they do but they've had not one (kale) not two (cauliflaw) but there (ribbion) chances to get it right and they didn't so you should keep your expectations very low.

Yeah, we should be prepared for the fusion ending up with Cauliflowa's personality on streoids and kale's legendary hacks multiplied by fusion boosts..

Are trying to tell me you only care about this fusion because you get to see a new female Saiyan?

One, I don't care about the fusion, in fact I find them hogging the screen time ridiculous
Two, No, I am hoping for something, anything to take Mary Cauliflowa's presence away from the stage and the fusion seems to be the only hope left..

[Michsi]

If that's the case then they can rely on them to actually buy the show.

DVD sales have apparently never been a major concern when it comes to long running series, it's the merchandise that counts most in this case. Two cute saiyan girls? Yeah, those figurines would definitely sale. They've been quasi-promoting the new fusion as a new figurine weeks before it'll actually appear in the show. It's like the couldn't wait to get the new toy out.

[BlueBasilisk]

It's not like I hate the idea of this fusion itself, I'm just disappointed. That idea of a new mysterious warrior interrupting the tournament somehow and potentially became the new main threat was far more interesting. In the end it seems like this will be just yet another normal tournament like Universe 6 arc.

I know they treated Frieza godly this far, but who knows they may fucked it up by making him lose pathetically before even doing any successful contributions to his plan.

And it's funny how most, if not all of Super's ideas already existed years ago as fan fiction. At the end, the writers are just like any normal fans.

The problem with any new warrior popping in during the tournament, as interesting as I find the idea, they'd have to contend with Zeno, the GP, and the 10 remaining Gods of Destruction, and if they can do that, I'm not sure how anyone could hope to beat them short of some kind of Goku x Jiren Ultra Instinct fusion.

If that's the case then they can rely on them to actually buy the show.

DVD sales have apparently never been a major concern when it comes to long running series, it's the merchandise that counts most in this case. Two cute saiyan girls? Yeah, those figurines would definitely sale. They've been quasi-promoting the new fusion as a new figurine weeks before it'll actually appear in the show. It's like the couldn't wait to get the new toy out.

If the new figure being teased is Kefla, that would mean the girls have just one figure each: WCF Kale, WCF SS2 Caulifla, and then that, and the new figure is due out in...March, I think?

[Son Vegito]

I've read that when creators come back to something years later they'll work more like a fan would due to how long its been which is what we're seeing here. They've got some really great things but it's all mixed with fan service and fan ideas.

I don't really think it is Toriyama who's coming with these ideas. More like Toei coming with these suggestions and Toriyama just agreeing with them. I doubt he's the one who came up with the idea to make Frieza so important in Super or make the original Z fighters relevant again. Also to let Vegito appear multiple times in the series(obviously gonna happen with the Potara retcon). It's probably like ''Hey mr. Toriyama. Future Trunks has a big fandom, wouldn't it be interesting to see what has become of him?'' and then they combined it with the fan wishes of an evil Goku, thus the Goku black arc was born.

I agree, a lot of Super feels like fan fiction.

[OLKv3]

If they just master fusion on the spot I'm done lol

[Son Vegito]

If they just master fusion on the spot I'm done lol

Trunks learned Mafuba from a smartphone within a few minutes so don't be surprised.

[sintzu]

"Many western fans" would do well to not inflate their own importance even among western fans.

Kai's Buu arc was made for the Western market. Trust me, we're important.

I think the purpose of this fusion is so Goku can get Ultra Instinct back.

That, and to sell more cards. They can get at least 4 cards from it.

Have you guys read the rumors about Super possibly ending at March 25th? If it's true, I think the it will continue under a different name.

Where are the rumors coming from ?

DVD sales have apparently never been a major concern when it comes to long running series, it's the merchandise that counts most in this case.

That's in Japan, international sales rely on the home video sales, not the merchandise as far as I know.

I don't really think it is Toriyama who's coming with these ideas. More like Toei coming with these suggestions and Toriyama just agreeing with them.

That's what he said about Zamasu's arc, that it was based on a suggestion from the editorial office. I have no issues with Toriyama working with others on the franchise, I just want it to be good. An evil Goku on paper sounds very fan fiction-y but it turned out great, BOG was a collaboration between him and Watanabe and that's the best thing to come out of modern DB so we know they can do good when they try.