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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:42 pm

mahakaishin1991 wrote:considering bardocks mask broke and he jumped pretty rapidly up to super saiyan 3, I hope he at least gets that.
I don't see like that. Bardock got Super Saiyan in OM5 and Super Saiyan 2 in JM2. Then he was captured by Mira in GDM1 and when he got free in GDM3, he transformed into Super Saiyan 3. That's why he was able to transform into Super Saiyan 3 right after the mask was removed.
mahakaishin1991 wrote:mira in his equivalent
What Mira has is not Super Saiyan 4, much less an "equivalent".

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Post by Dragon Wukong » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:01 am

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mahakaishin1991 wrote:mira in his equivalent
What Mira has is not Super Saiyan 4, much less an "equivalent".
I dunno about that. It looks pretty equivalent. I mean, Mira has Saiyan cells, can go Super Saiyan, and has a form that covers him head-to-toe in fur. Even if it's a power boost from absorbing Towa, what else could a "Mira Super Saiyan 4" possibly look like? Seeing them pit that form against SS4 Broly and Goku also makes the resemblance more apparent.

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:10 am

Mira has Saiyans DNA indeed, but that doesn't mean he already has Super Saiyan 4. That transformation has nothing to do with merging of two people, which is the case here. What you see in the result of an absorption between Mira and Towa. The fur is there because the person who designed it must have some kind of obsession with fur, because realistically speaking, the form shouldn't have fur. Neither Towa nor Mira have it. The fur literally comes out of nowhere.

Super Saiyan 4 Mira would actually be very different, with his legs having its own piece of clothes, the fur would be red, his hair would be different and it wouldn't have Towa's hair on his back. Not that is possible for Mira to achieve Super Saiyan 4 though, he doesn't have a tail (yeah, Heroes could still give it to Mira under Dragon Ball GT's logic, but guess what? Dragon Ball GT's logic is completely flawed).

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Post by Noah » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:21 am

Grimlock wrote:Not that is possible for Mira to achieve Super Saiyan 4 though, he doesn't have a tail (yeah, Heroes could still give it to Mira under Dragon Ball GT's logic, but guess what? Dragon Ball GT's logic is completely flawed).
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Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:29 am

Drop it. We are not talking about Dragon Ball Super here.

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Post by Noah » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:33 am

But this is Super Dragon Ball Heroes thread, right? :P
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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:28 am

Grimlock wrote:Mira has Saiyans DNA indeed, but that doesn't mean he already has Super Saiyan 4. That transformation has nothing to do with merging of two people, which is the case here. What you see in the result of an absorption between Mira and Towa. The fur is there because the person who designed it must have some kind of obsession with fur, because realistically speaking, the form shouldn't have fur. Neither Towa nor Mira have it. The fur literally comes out of nowhere.

Super Saiyan 4 Mira would actually be very different, with his legs having its own piece of clothes, the fur would be red, his hair would be different and it wouldn't have Towa's hair on his back. Not that is possible for Mira to achieve Super Saiyan 4 though, he doesn't have a tail (yeah, Heroes could still give it to Mira under Dragon Ball GT's logic, but guess what? Dragon Ball GT's logic is completely flawed).
First things first before you put words in my mouth: i said he was in an 'equivalent' form, not that it is a true super saiyan 4.

And with that out of the way....

Broly has black fur in this, the shades of red have varied from user to user, and Mira also has white super saiyan fur. I'm pretty sure the form is trying to invoke parallels to a super saiyan 4. Yes he lacks a tail but so did gohan. He still has the clothing on his lower legs, the elongated hair, the fur in exactly the pattern of a super saiyan 4

It's like denying Kale's form is obviously a reference to broly. Yes it's not the same, but it's clearly in reference to it to be an equivalent (since it was the strongest form idea they could invoke without stepping on red/blue hair). The design similarity is undeniably there. Cell gained his equivalents of super saiyan forms (power stressed, heck, he comes back with a zenkai boost and gains super saiyan 2 style bio-electricity) I'm pretty sure the idea here is to nod to his power going up by using saiyan forms as reference, that's all.

You seem to get a bit worked up over these discussions, any particular reason?

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:21 am

mahakaishin1991 wrote:Broly has black fur in this,
That's not regular Broly. The regular one has red fur. The regular Super Saiyan 4 is the one we must base on.
mahakaishin1991 wrote:I'm pretty sure the form is trying to invoke parallels to a super saiyan 4.
If they're really trying to do it then they're doing a terrible job, because I don't see any parallels.
mahakaishin1991 wrote:Yes he lacks a tail but so did gohan.
GT Gohan has a tail nonetheless. Going by Dragon Ball GT's logic, if Goku can get it by pulling it out, then so can Gohan. That's why you don't see Z Gohan with that transformation. It's just the GT version, that's where his Super Saiyan 4 comes from.

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Post by Dragon Wukong » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:38 am

Grimlock wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:I'm pretty sure the form is trying to invoke parallels to a super saiyan 4.
If they're really trying to do it then they're doing a terrible job, because I don't see any parallels.
Oh come on. You really don't see ANY parallels?

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:43 am

If I stretch a lot, then yeah, I see it (only the fur). But again, this doesn't mean it has some kind of connection, a relation to Super Saiyan 4. It isn't an equivalent.

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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:04 am

Grimlock wrote:If I close my eyes or feign ignorance, then yeah, I see it (only the fur, which happens to be the most iconic part of super saiayn 4 that sets it appart from the other forms).
FTFY.

Ignore/fake blindness to it if you like, the obvious reference in the form is there and you're silly to deny it isn't there. Then again you got upset over the tail discussion we had a while ago so I'm not shocked by this response.

Moving on,

any gameplay of the new card for Dark Masked King? The one where his mask appears to be cracked in the card?

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Post by Wilderness » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:16 pm

I think it’s painfully clear the design is based of Super Saiyan 4.
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Post by Dragon Wukong » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:42 pm

Broly God card when honestly?

Sad I'll never be able to see Super Tenkaichi Budokai, 'specially now that its run at Universal Studios Japan is done. I gotta know if he still has a chance to appear in video-games like Heroes besides just being a promotion for the USJ attraction. Pretty sure that event is done too.

Some people say Broly's been milked to death already. I say he hasn't been milked enough.

Also I just noticed something wrong in my above image. Mira's final form is supposed to connect the time breaker symbol and become a full infinity. Wonder if his in-game model has the same inconsistency, or if it's only for the animation.

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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:51 pm

Dragon Wukong wrote:Broly God card when honestly?

Sad I'll never be able to see Super Tenkaichi Budokai, 'specially now that its run at Universal Studios Japan is done. I gotta know if he still has a chance to appear in video-games like Heroes besides just being a promotion for the USJ attraction. Pretty sure that event is done too.

Some people say Broly's been milked to death already. I say he hasn't been milked enough.

Also I just noticed something wrong in my above image. Mira's final form is supposed to connect the time breaker symbol and become a full infinity. Wonder if his in-game model has the same inconsistency, or if it's only for the animation.
Broly God has been in for a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPrqvtxpxm4

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Post by Dragon Wukong » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:12 pm

mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Dragon Wukong wrote:Broly God card when honestly?

Sad I'll never be able to see Super Tenkaichi Budokai, 'specially now that its run at Universal Studios Japan is done. I gotta know if he still has a chance to appear in video-games like Heroes besides just being a promotion for the USJ attraction. Pretty sure that event is done too.

Some people say Broly's been milked to death already. I say he hasn't been milked enough.

Also I just noticed something wrong in my above image. Mira's final form is supposed to connect the time breaker symbol and become a full infinity. Wonder if his in-game model has the same inconsistency, or if it's only for the animation.
Broly God has been in for a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPrqvtxpxm4
I know Broly God had a Heroes event, but isn't that even done running now? I'm wondering when he's gonna get a card, or appear in something other than a promotion for the (now over) USJ Real 4-D run.

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Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:54 pm

Dragon Wukong wrote:
I know Broly God had a Heroes event, but isn't that even done running now? I'm wondering when he's gonna get a card, or appear in something other than a promotion for the (now over) USJ Real 4-D run.
Maybe they'll bring his God form back when they move on to God forms for the Xeno characters.

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:07 pm

Wilderness wrote:I think it’s painfully clear the design is based of Super Saiyan 4.
The point is that Mira Final Form (or Mira with Towa absorbed) it's not a Super Saiyan 4 or equivalent. No matter if the design is based on it. Otherwise we should start saying that Raditz and Gohan (when first transformed into Super Saiyan) both have Super Saiyan 3 or its equivalent, because they have long hair pretty similar to that transformation.

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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:22 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Wilderness wrote:I think it’s painfully clear the design is based of Super Saiyan 4.
The point is that Mira Final Form (or Mira with Towa absorbed) it's not a Super Saiyan 4 or equivalent. No matter if the design is based on it. Otherwise we should start saying that Raditz and Gohan (when first transformed into Super Saiyan) both have Super Saiyan 3 or its equivalent, because they have long hair pretty similar to that transformation.
Except theres more than just long hair here. Whatever, you're a really truculent individual, to the point of petty, who I have no time for.

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Post by Wilderness » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:34 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Wilderness wrote:I think it’s painfully clear the design is based of Super Saiyan 4.
The point is that Mira Final Form (or Mira with Towa absorbed) it's not a Super Saiyan 4 or equivalent. No matter if the design is based on it. Otherwise we should start saying that Raditz and Gohan (when first transformed into Super Saiyan) both have Super Saiyan 3 or its equivalent, because they have long hair pretty similar to that transformation.
I think there’s a rather big difference between a coincidental common hair style in anime, vs having a main trait that only one other form has in the entire franchise. A main trait that is replicated to the fullest detail.
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Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:49 pm

Wilderness wrote:I think there’s a rather big difference between a coincidental common hair style in anime, vs having a main trait that only one other form has in the entire franchise. A main trait that is replicated to the fullest detail.
There is, but don't you agree that if Mira Final Form were a Super Saiyan 4 or if the fur comes from the Saiyans DNA, they wouldn't straightfoward say it? The form appears in two games and neither of them mention Super Saiyan 4, or that it derives from it. We can't really label something just because it has a trait from another thing. That's just like saying with no evidences that all animals from the Tyrannosauridae family had feathers just because one of them was discovered to have them.

The only reasons I can think of for Mira Final Form to have fur are the ones I already mentioned, its creator is probably a fan of Super Saiyan 4 and paid a homage to it, or he's just another fanfic writer obsessed with fur who decided to put it on Mira's latest form.

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