Considering 17 and 18 were originally awakened with the plan to kill Goku, 17 and Goku never even met for all of DBZ and Super until 17's first Super episode debut, and 18 seemed rather distant toward Goku in the past, this is really a nice change of pace.
I think it's the best thing in the tournament, honestly. 17 and 18 constantly showing aid to Goku and helping him, as well as their sibling like nature toward each other. The shot at the end of the episode with 17 and 18 holding Goku up (someone can post it here) really got me. It's scenes like this that make you realize how different these two Androids are from when we first met them in the early Cell arc.
I love it. It really does encapsulate how much the characters have grown since the Cell arc.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Yes, I really like the fact that the Androids seem to be the ones protecting Goku the most. In fact, now that I think about it they're the only ones who have ever come to Goku's aid, isn't that right? Anyhow, I definitely like the whole thing about how they were originally built to kill him and now they're constantly protecting him.
Asura wrote:Yes, I really like the fact that the Androids seem to be the ones protecting Goku the most. In fact, now that I think about it they're the only ones who have ever come to Goku's aid, isn't that right? Anyhow, I definitely like the whole thing about how they were originally built to kill him and now they're constantly protecting him.
Well Vegeta did help aid Goku with Universe 9. And we arguably had Freeza sharing his power with him.
For the most part though it does seem like the Androids are getting extra focus here. I honestly wonder if the reason behind Krillin's early knockout now was so 18 and 17 could be paired together often, rather than Krillin and 18.
precita wrote:Well Vegeta did help aid Goku with Universe 9.
It's not like Goku couldn't have just clobbered the whole entire Universe 9 team himself had he stopped screwing around. A better example would be Vegeta intercepting Ribrianne's sneak attack during the Genki Dama formation.
I do too. I think the intention here was to make 17 and 18 feel more integrated as not even 18 has really connected with the group as a whole before, and Goku is traditionally what brings new members in.
Agreed, its been one of my favorite things to come out of this arc.
The Android siblings team work and interactions with Goku has been fun to watch. Also I just love how trigger finger happy 18 seems to be, her immediate reaction to others speaking/powering up most of the time is to just shoot them with a ki blast.
I'm enjoying it. It's in line with how most of Goku's rivals become his allies. I'm also very glad they overcame their intent to kill Goku, and can appreciate him as a friend.
BlueBasilisk wrote:If you listen closely, you can hear Trunks screaming all the way from the future!
I laughed at that. But he'd made his peace when he saw 18 and Krillin had married.
"Don't take pleasure in destruction!" / "I will not let you destroy my world!"
A true hero goes beyond not the limits of power, but the limits that divide countries and people.
Considering 17 and 18 were originally awakened with the plan to kill Goku, 17 and Goku never even met for all of DBZ and Super until 17's first Super episode debut, and 18 seemed rather distant toward Goku in the past, this is really a nice change of pace.
I think it's the best thing in the tournament, honestly. 17 and 18 constantly showing aid to Goku and helping him, as well as their sibling like nature toward each other. The shot at the end of the episode with 17 and 18 holding Goku up (someone can post it here) really got me. It's scenes like this that make you realize how different these two Androids are from when we first met them in the early Cell arc.
I think this new friendship is one of the best things that Super has given us in this arc. The trip from becoming foes to friends is really great. Keep up the good work Super!
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
precita wrote:
The shot at the end of the episode with 17 and 18 holding Goku up (someone can post it here) really got me.
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Aww, look at Goku and his two droid BFF's standing by his side. The cyborgs that were once built to kill him are now helping him in the present even Freeza (his arch nemesis) has helped him out a lot unlike that jealous turd like being "Vegeta" or as Freeza likes to call him "the prince of no one"
Considering 17 and 18 were originally awakened with the plan to kill Goku, 17 and Goku never even met for all of DBZ and Super until 17's first Super episode debut, and 18 seemed rather distant toward Goku in the past, this is really a nice change of pace.
I think it's the best thing in the tournament, honestly. 17 and 18 constantly showing aid to Goku and helping him, as well as their sibling like nature toward each other. The shot at the end of the episode with 17 and 18 holding Goku up (someone can post it here) really got me. It's scenes like this that make you realize how different these two Androids are from when we first met them in the early Cell arc.
I think this new friendship is one of the best things that Super has given us in this arc. The trip from becoming foes to friends is really great. Keep up the good work Super!
Considering 17 and 18 were originally awakened with the plan to kill Goku, 17 and Goku never even met for all of DBZ and Super until 17's first Super episode debut, and 18 seemed rather distant toward Goku in the past, this is really a nice change of pace.
I think it's the best thing in the tournament, honestly. 17 and 18 constantly showing aid to Goku and helping him, as well as their sibling like nature toward each other. The shot at the end of the episode with 17 and 18 holding Goku up (someone can post it here) really got me. It's scenes like this that make you realize how different these two Androids are from when we first met them in the early Cell arc.
I think this new friendship is one of the best things that Super has given us in this arc. The trip from becoming foes to friends is really great. Keep up the good work Super!
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Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
majinwarman wrote:
I think this new friendship is one of the best things that Super has given us in this arc. The trip from becoming foes to friends is really great. Keep up the good work Super!
