Has Vegeta been a good character as of recently? I think not.

[HeroR]

I agree 100% with second part of your statement but not the first. He was worse when acting submissive, he was worse when he put a pacifier in his mouth.

I really agree this is not the best time to criticize Vegeta, I think he's fine in TOP. And that scene when he tried to get UI and get the hits I found hilarious, I genuinely laughed during that scene, and him getting serious after it didn't work was neat.

I wish for him to gain UI, just not in this arc.

Disagree since 'submissive' Vegeta is hilarious and he feels like a Dragon Ball character when he puts in awkward situations like most of the cast. And it isn't OOC for Vegeta given how he usually act submissive to.

I do think Vegeta will get UI, but I don't him to get it this arc. And hopefully, it won't be off-scene like all his other forms.

[PsionicWarrior]

Disagree since 'submissive' Vegeta is hilarious and he feels like a Dragon Ball character when he puts in awkward situations like most of the cast. And it isn't OOC for Vegeta given how he usually act submissive to.

Nah that was clearly too much IMO
I don't mind the humor on the contrary I enjoy it but they overdid it for me.

[Whatever]

Most of my problems with Vegeta is in this arc. Imo, Vegeta in the Future Trunks Saga was the best he has ever been written. He was mature, made up to Trunks for being such a jackass in the Android/Cell Saga, he fought Black and Zamasu not for himself, but for Trunks' world (something Black noted when Vegeta got stronger than him), and he was willing to jump in front of a blast for Trunks and saved Goku and Trunks from Black and Zamasu when he had a hole in his chest. I think one of the best lines from Vegeta in that arc was when Black said that Vegeta wanted revenge for his humiliating lost. Vegeta shoots back that no, he isn't fighting because he lost, but for Trunks and his world, making Black note how un-Saiyan-like that statement was. All and all, I loved Future Trunks Saga Vegeta.

So, this is by far the weakest Vegeta has been written in Super, but not as big as a regression as some are pushing.

This,Vegeta in the FT arc trained,inspired,fought with and even shielded Trunks,he was not content with how willing Trunks was to not even fight and leave everything to them because he knew even if they defeat Black,Trunks would need to be strong enough to not need his help again,he wanted that for Trunks.
He even was proud for him for being the human's hope and leader.

Vegeta character wise was the best he ever was in the FT arc and best of all it had nothing to do with Goku,his character and actions played of Future Trunks to the point you could say Vegeta made Future Trunks a better character as well.

The biggest problem with Vegeta as you said is that he is so tied to be portrayed as Goku's eternal rival despite how one side that rivarly is(for those reading this,no power has nothing to do with how one sided this rivarly is)that it hurts character in the long run since it takes up a lot of space in his characterization.

[Torturephile]

I just expect him to turn to Zen'o and say, "I am Vegeta, prince of all saiya...", and be immediately erased by Zen'o.

"You're annoying, and your race died twice."

[Anime Kitten]

Kind of off-topic, but I've noticed that people complain about positive threads on this forum (potentially) being an echo chamber, but in a negative thread like this, I'm seeing almost nothing but the exact same complaints. I could quote some examples, but it isn't hard to see if you just look through the thread. If this isn't an echo chamber, I don't know what is. But for some reason it seems to only be an issue with positive threads.

[Khandom101]

I just expect him to turn to Zen'o and say, "I am Vegeta, prince of all saiya...", and be immediately erased by Zen'o.

"You're annoying, and your race died twice."

Now that would be hilarious and I can totally see that happening due to Vegeta's current moronic behaviour.

[Jigurashi]

The manga has done a much better job with him.

Overall yeah, but him initially refusing in the manga to compete was low moment for him. Hated that moment. Hated it as much as him not giving energy to the Genki Dama.

Overall, I haven't cared about Vegeta since Namek, but I felt he was fine in Super and probably at his most well written in the FT Saga. He was even fine until the actual ToP started where he's just quite unlikable. Not Cell Saga unlikable far from that, but he's easily one of the least interesting characters to me this saga.

[sintzu]

Overall yeah, but him initially refusing in the manga to compete was low moment for him.

That was terrable and I have no idea why Toyotarou thought it was a good idea to have him refuse knowing what was on the line. The anime did a better job as he thought it was just another tournament.

[Michsi]

Overall yeah, but him initially refusing in the manga to compete was low moment for him.

That was terrable and I have no idea why Toyotarou thought it was a good idea to have him refuse knowing what was on the line. The anime did a better job as he thought it was just another tournament.

The anime does have other characters acting like that though too, as in 17 and Caulifla. Now the manga has Vegeta too? What's with this borderline nihilistic indifference?

[dbs fanboy]

I actually find Vegeta as one of the best handled characters in super but yeah, in the ToP he hasn't really done anything interesting besides helping Goku in #98 and him wanting to win to save U6 saiyans. But that's it, i wouldn't say he's being bad written but simply that he's barely written.I mean, he may complain and all but in the end those complaints lead to nothing, he refused to give Goku his energy but (apparently) because he was protecting him from other warriors. He complains with the whole "damn Kakarot" shit, but in the ToP special he doesn't actually seems mad about Goku surpassing him.

So when he complains it seems that this kind of direction to his character is being followed because "oh typical Vegeta line " instead of actually being a gripe that may have consequences in his future.

I actually hope he decides to fight Jiren to test himself while acknowledging that he's weaker that would actually be cool to see.

Edit:

I don't know why people are suddenly raising expectations about Vegeta in the manga. So far the ToP of power hasn't even started and Vegeta has already done something pretty absurd.
Anime Vegeta was completely fine (even good sometimes like when Bulla was born) until the ToP was about to start.

[supersaiyanZero]

He's become a hollow, one dimensional character like many of Super's incarnations...still can't believe he refused to give energy to Goku for the spirit bomb. That was a writing low.

[sintzu]

The anime does have other characters acting like that though too, as in 17 and Caulifla. What's with this borderline nihilistic indifference?

The source material for this arc is just terrable. I do think the manga might end up being the better version as things so far (for me) have been better but I don't know by how much as the basic story doesn't seem that workabke, at least based on what the anime's done.

He's become a hollow, one dimensional character like many of Super's incarnations...still can't believe he refused to give energy to Goku for the spirit bomb. That was a writing low.

That's just a drop in the bucket of low writing this arc has done. Jump Festa is next week so I can't wait to see what the next arc will be as they really need to knock it out of the park to make up for this arc.

[Jigurashi]

Overall yeah, but him initially refusing in the manga to compete was low moment for him.

That was terrable and I have no idea why Toyotarou thought it was a good idea to have him refuse knowing what was on the line. The anime did a better job as he thought it was just another tournament.

Like that's really the one character moment in the manga I straight up hate from Vegeta. Toyo's Vegeta's been fine overall, but there's literally no reason for having him refuse when he simply could have had him refuse until being told about the stakes. Something easily avoidable.

[Kaiosama]

Vegeta's a good character in that it's always satisfying to watch him get destroyed.

It's what he does best!

[dbs fanboy]

Overall yeah, but him initially refusing in the manga to compete was low moment for him.

That was terrable and I have no idea why Toyotarou thought it was a good idea to have him refuse knowing what was on the line. The anime did a better job as he thought it was just another tournament.

The anime does have other characters acting like that though too, as in 17 and Caulifla. Now the manga has Vegeta too? What's with this borderline nihilistic indifference?

I could actually see 17 being like this as a part of his personality "duh, i don't care" but so far i can't understand why would Caulifla or Vegeta, be like this.

[precita]

The source material for this arc is just terrable.

It's "terrible" not "terrable." Pet peeve, but I don't like seeing it spelled that way.

That's just a drop in the bucket of low writing this arc has done. Jump Festa is next week so I can't wait to see what the next arc will be as they really need to knock it out of the park to make up for this arc.

This arc is fine, but I'd rather a long stretch of slice of life fillers again before the next arc

[Jigurashi]

The structure for the tournament is absolutely terrible. But I've been enjoying it regardless.

[Michsi]

That was terrable and I have no idea why Toyotarou thought it was a good idea to have him refuse knowing what was on the line. The anime did a better job as he thought it was just another tournament.

The anime does have other characters acting like that though too, as in 17 and Caulifla. Now the manga has Vegeta too? What's with this borderline nihilistic indifference?

I could actually see 17 being like this as a part of his personality "duh, i don't care" but so far i can't understand why would Caulifla or Vegeta, be like this.

That would've worked had they not introduced the fact that he now has a family with adopted kids and all.

[MR.Mark]

Vegeta has been great in Super up until the TOP, where he has just been there. When you have so many fighters, including old ones coming back into relevance it's to be expected. Even before Super this wouldn't be the first time a character is pushed aside now and then, and it won't be the last. There's always the next arc for Vegeta.

[dbs fanboy]

The anime does have other characters acting like that though too, as in 17 and Caulifla. Now the manga has Vegeta too? What's with this borderline nihilistic indifference?

I could actually see 17 being like this as a part of his personality "duh, i don't care" but so far i can't understand why would Caulifla or Vegeta, be like this.

That would've worked had they not introduced the fact that he now has a family with adopted kids and all.

Yeah, but i can still buy it, i mean, i can buy having one character with a nihilistic point of view, He doesn't want to be involved and because everyone will be erased together he doesn't care. But Vegeta is a character that has already showed us before that he would fight for his family if they were in danger, and Caulifla didn't gave any more reason besides "not caring about the universe"