"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lapislettuce]

Gohan has yet to have his big moment in the series. I don't believe 17, Freeza, etc. would all get big moments of glory towards the end (and 17 might have already had his), while Gohan gets nothing.

Gohan will be in the final 2. I notice that with the exception of Tien, Toei tends to give all the main characters one big moment of glory before going down.

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

I think all cards are on the table, even Goku's and I think it should be that way to make the last few episodes more dramatic and make you wondering who might go. Again I do expect Gohan to have a major moment coming up but I rather not think it will have to lead to the expense of 17 being KOed to get their and their is all the chance 17 might last longer then many think.

Heck most theories 17 would have been KOed long ago and he is still here, so counting him out cause his name is not Goku, Vegeta or Frieza I think is getting ahead of how his story has been playing out in this arc(aka episode 121 as an example).

If anything he has been the most X-Factor, either by his saves or by his ablity to read fighters and not get overly excited when things are hard, aka episode 119 and the Ant-Man Fight. Also being the only one Not a Saiyan or a villain like Frieza to make it this far and his story has proven otherwise, so yea 17 has been a X-Factor in all of this. Plus he does not get tired, the others will start to get tired at some-point.

Honestly, it might be interesting if he is one of the Final 3-2 to mix up the status quo of it always being the obvious Goku final battles and friends we see all the time. The ToP give great weight to this, this is indeed Gohan's comeback arc, but I have come to the conclusion it is also 17's comeback arc too. Be good to see BOTH as part of the final 3-2 to change things up.

Totally agree with you on every point you made. currently i can't say i'm super confident for 17 considering the spoilers sound pretty bad for him, it made it sound like they want to use 17's elimination to make Gohan feel guilty or something which would be ashame to have someone who has been the mvp so far get eliminated in such a way if it does happen i will be pissed but still feel proud about 17 regardless. now about Gohan i see his fans being super confident and even saying he will be last man standing and i don't know where they brought that from since as you mentioned 17 and Gohan had about equal screentime and recognition before and after the tournament. promotional wise i might even say 17 has an advantage (if anyone thinks i'm wrong correct me).

[The_Destroyer]

I think 17 survives the next episode. Someone needs to hold off Toppo while Gohan goes to help Frieza. I think around 125 is where 17 falls off.

[CJStriker_CBR]

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

I think all cards are on the table, even Goku's and I think it should be that way to make the last few episodes more dramatic and make you wondering who might go. Again I do expect Gohan to have a major moment coming up but I rather not think it will have to lead to the expense of 17 being KOed to get their and their is all the chance 17 might last longer then many think.

Heck most theories 17 would have been KOed long ago and he is still here, so counting him out cause his name is not Goku, Vegeta or Frieza I think is getting ahead of how his story has been playing out in this arc(aka episode 121 as an example).

If anything he has been the most X-Factor, either by his saves or by his ablity to read fighters and not get overly excited when things are hard, aka episode 119 and the Ant-Man Fight. Also being the only one Not a Saiyan or a villain like Frieza to make it this far and his story has proven otherwise, so yea 17 has been a X-Factor in all of this. Plus he does not get tired, the others will start to get tired at some-point.

Honestly, it might be interesting if he is one of the Final 3-2 to mix up the status quo of it always being the obvious Goku final battles and friends we see all the time. The ToP give great weight to this, this is indeed Gohan's comeback arc, but I have come to the conclusion it is also 17's comeback arc too. Be good to see BOTH as part of the final 3-2 to change things up.

Totally agree with you on every point you made. currently i can't say i'm super confident for 17 considering the spoilers sound pretty bad for him, it made it sound like they want to use 17's elimination to make Gohan feel guilty or something which would be ashame to have someone who has been the mvp so far get eliminated in such a way if it does happen i will be pissed but still feel proud about 17 regardless. now about Gohan i see his fans being super confident and even saying he will be last man standing and i don't know where they brought that from since as you mentioned 17 and Gohan had about equal screentime and recognition before and after the tournament. promotional wise i might even say 17 has an advantage (if anyone thinks i'm wrong correct me).

While I think one should always have Caustios Optimius about all news and previews, we must remember Toei likes to Troll us with Previews as well Lapislettuce.

The past seas of episodes are littered with the false directions Toei has lead us with past previews. I Think Toei does this to keep us off guard and to tease fans into thinking one thing when they go another route.

Example ~~~~ For preview 118, the last 3 Universe 2 guys seem to sound they where frozen in place for some reason and where about to be eliminated easy by Frieza until Goku did it in one attack and Frieza was going to get mad at him! The U2 guys sounded sadly like easy KOs.

As we know.........THAT DIDN'T Happen ~~~~ by Nearly all ways of the Imagination!

The only part right was Goku KOed the U2 guys in a beam attack, BUT not easy at all either. Universe 2's Rabanra, Zarbuto and Zirloin put up One EPIC Final Fight NO-One saw coming, not even ME! This is because Toei Miss-Informed us on purposes to look one way and then they could surprise us with something else.

I am saying this cause the Previews about 17 holding Toppo and Gohan Hesitating while you still should be Cautious about it happening and what might happen ~~~~ Their is also ALLOT of past evidance that Toei is misleading us as well and that never happens or in the way they say.

So I don't go by the Previews much anymore, I have come to the conclusion Toei is Trolling the Fans with it to miss-direct us on purpose and for good reasons to surprise us.

So I would not at all get overly worried about 17 yet, Toei has shown by its writing they mean business with him so he has that going for him positively.

We have to wait and see, take each Episode as it comes along Lapislettuce, but 17 has precedence to go far just by his written merits alone up to this point.

[Totamo]

Its not just Goku. Krillin is way too low and if you are going to sit there and tell me that Krillin is less popular than Yamcha than we have nothing to talk about.

Then you have colonel violet on that list and I bet you don't even know who that is.

Yamcha is still popular due to his meme status, the Yamcha Manga has sold more than expected and even got great review on Amazon JP.

Thats. not. what. I . said!

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Gohan has absolutely shined in this arc so far. He had fantastic fights that he won against Obuni, Saonel and Pirina, and Koichiarator, and he contributed to taking down Anilaza. Gohan only looks like he hasn't shined if you deliberately ignore all the monumental evidence and claim that he's vastly weaker than Blue Goku and Vegeta, which makes his victory over Saonel and Pirina, as well as Koichiarator, seem meaningless.

That said, I do expect him to get a bit more shine against U11 before this arc is over. He's probably going to either help Freeza eliminate Dyspo or he's going to save Freeza from Dyspo and eliminate Dyspo himself. That's not even getting into what he could possibly do after that.

[kinisking]

Gohan has absolutely shined in this arc so far. He had fantastic fights that he won against Obuni, Saonel and Pirina, and Koichiarator, and he contributed to taking down Anilaza. Gohan only looks like he hasn't shined if you deliberately ignore all the monumental evidence and claim that he's vastly weaker than Blue Goku and Vegeta, which makes his victory over Saonel and Pirina, as well as Koichiarator, seem meaningless.

That said, I do expect him to get a bit more shine against U11 before this arc is over. He's probably going to either help Freeza eliminate Dyspo or he's going to save Freeza from Dyspo and eliminate Dyspo himself. That's not even getting into what he could possibly do after that.

Yeah, I'm pretty confused by peoples dissapointment. He's had a lot of screen time , character development, and wins this arc. I just don't know what people would consider good enough . Defeating Jiren ?

[Lapislettuce]

I think all cards are on the table, even Goku's and I think it should be that way to make the last few episodes more dramatic and make you wondering who might go. Again I do expect Gohan to have a major moment coming up but I rather not think it will have to lead to the expense of 17 being KOed to get their and their is all the chance 17 might last longer then many think.

Heck most theories 17 would have been KOed long ago and he is still here, so counting him out cause his name is not Goku, Vegeta or Frieza I think is getting ahead of how his story has been playing out in this arc(aka episode 121 as an example).

If anything he has been the most X-Factor, either by his saves or by his ablity to read fighters and not get overly excited when things are hard, aka episode 119 and the Ant-Man Fight. Also being the only one Not a Saiyan or a villain like Frieza to make it this far and his story has proven otherwise, so yea 17 has been a X-Factor in all of this. Plus he does not get tired, the others will start to get tired at some-point.

Honestly, it might be interesting if he is one of the Final 3-2 to mix up the status quo of it always being the obvious Goku final battles and friends we see all the time. The ToP give great weight to this, this is indeed Gohan's comeback arc, but I have come to the conclusion it is also 17's comeback arc too. Be good to see BOTH as part of the final 3-2 to change things up.

Totally agree with you on every point you made. currently i can't say i'm super confident for 17 considering the spoilers sound pretty bad for him, it made it sound like they want to use 17's elimination to make Gohan feel guilty or something which would be ashame to have someone who has been the mvp so far get eliminated in such a way if it does happen i will be pissed but still feel proud about 17 regardless. now about Gohan i see his fans being super confident and even saying he will be last man standing and i don't know where they brought that from since as you mentioned 17 and Gohan had about equal screentime and recognition before and after the tournament. promotional wise i might even say 17 has an advantage (if anyone thinks i'm wrong correct me).

While I think one should always have Caustios Optimius about all news and previews, we must remember Toei likes to Troll us with Previews as well Lapislettuce.

The past seas of episodes are littered with the false directions Toei has lead us with past previews. I Think Toei does this to keep us off guard and to tease fans into thinking one thing when they go another route.

Example ~~~~ For preview 118, the last 3 Universe 2 guys seem to sound they where frozen in place for some reason and where about to be eliminated easy by Frieza until Goku did it in one attack and Frieza was going to get mad at him! The U2 guys sounded sadly like easy KOs.

As we know.........THAT DIDN'T Happen ~~~~ by Nearly all ways of the Imagination!

The only part right was Goku KOed the U2 guys in a beam attack, BUT not easy at all either. Universe 2's Rabanra, Zarbuto and Zirloin put up One EPIC Final Fight NO-One saw coming, not even ME! This is because Toei Miss-Informed us on purposes to look one way and then they could surprise us with something else.

I am saying this cause the Previews about 17 holding Toppo and Gohan Hesitating while you still should be Cautious about it happening and what might happen ~~~~ Their is also ALLOT of past evidance that Toei is misleading us as well and that never happens or in the way they say.

So I don't go by the Previews much anymore, I have come to the conclusion Toei is Trolling the Fans with it to miss-direct us on purpose and for good reasons to surprise us.

So I would not at all get overly worried about 17 yet, Toei has shown by its writing they mean business with him so he has that going for him positively.

We have to wait and see, take each Episode as it comes along Lapislettuce, but 17 has precedence to go far just by his written merits alone up to this point.

Thank you so much. you're the first person who made me less worried about these spoilers tbh. i do hope they don't go with the worst case scenario i have in mind cuz that would go against how they built 17 as a character in this arc.

[MajinVegetaPD]

I fully expect Vegeta to go out next, then either 17 or Freeza, leaving father and son Goku and Gohan for the end.

2. If Freezas character arc is over for good, I would consider the following scenario neat: He kicks out a totally worn out Goku and gets defeated by Vegeta and Hakai'ed by Beerus on the stands. This would provide revenge for the RoF-story to Vegeta and a major enemy for him to defeat.
The main event would still be the defeat of Jiren by Goku. This is also a good way to have Vegetas wish of U6-revival and have a minor Freeza story, which was foreshadowed, to have some tension during the declining tension arc after the defeat of Jiren and show some punishment for the deal with the devil thing, that Goku struck during the recruitment of Freeza.

Do the majority of people believe Goku will be beating Jiren clean? Even against a "partially mastered" Ultra Instinct, Jiren showed absolutely 0 signs of effort against Goku. I just don't see him losing, especially if Jiren is god of destruction tier. That would mean Goku will have surpassed Beerus, and I don't see that being plausible even with Ultra Instinct. Some (maybe most) would argue against that, but what would that do to the Beerus/Goku dynamic if at the end of the tournament Goku was top dog? Sorry, don't see that happening.

I think the more likely scenario is a double or triple team against Jiren, or even possibly Jiren winning, with his wish being to restore all destroyed Universes (Like we all know Goku would do). It would be an even more interesting of a twist if Jiren actually originated from one of the previous destroyed universes, and his wish all along would be for the restoration of all 18 (17?) universes.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Totally agree with you on every point you made. currently i can't say i'm super confident for 17 considering the spoilers sound pretty bad for him, it made it sound like they want to use 17's elimination to make Gohan feel guilty or something which would be ashame to have someone who has been the mvp so far get eliminated in such a way if it does happen i will be pissed but still feel proud about 17 regardless. now about Gohan i see his fans being super confident and even saying he will be last man standing and i don't know where they brought that from since as you mentioned 17 and Gohan had about equal screentime and recognition before and after the tournament. promotional wise i might even say 17 has an advantage (if anyone thinks i'm wrong correct me).

While I think one should always have Caustios Optimius about all news and previews, we must remember Toei likes to Troll us with Previews as well Lapislettuce.

The past seas of episodes are littered with the false directions Toei has lead us with past previews. I Think Toei does this to keep us off guard and to tease fans into thinking one thing when they go another route.

Example ~~~~ For preview 118, the last 3 Universe 2 guys seem to sound they where frozen in place for some reason and where about to be eliminated easy by Frieza until Goku did it in one attack and Frieza was going to get mad at him! The U2 guys sounded sadly like easy KOs.

As we know.........THAT DIDN'T Happen ~~~~ by Nearly all ways of the Imagination!

The only part right was Goku KOed the U2 guys in a beam attack, BUT not easy at all either. Universe 2's Rabanra, Zarbuto and Zirloin put up One EPIC Final Fight NO-One saw coming, not even ME! This is because Toei Miss-Informed us on purposes to look one way and then they could surprise us with something else.

I am saying this cause the Previews about 17 holding Toppo and Gohan Hesitating while you still should be Cautious about it happening and what might happen ~~~~ Their is also ALLOT of past evidance that Toei is misleading us as well and that never happens or in the way they say.

So I don't go by the Previews much anymore, I have come to the conclusion Toei is Trolling the Fans with it to miss-direct us on purpose and for good reasons to surprise us.

So I would not at all get overly worried about 17 yet, Toei has shown by its writing they mean business with him so he has that going for him positively.

We have to wait and see, take each Episode as it comes along Lapislettuce, but 17 has precedence to go far just by his written merits alone up to this point.

Thank you so much. you're the first person who made me less worried about these spoilers tbh. i do hope they don't go with the worst case scenario i have in mind cuz that would go against how they built 17 as a character in this arc.

NP and Glad too cause I know how important 17 is to you and how many have greatly underestimated him only to have that blown back against that view greatly. Also how impressive IMO it has been to have a character make such a comeback that is not a Saiyan or Villain and for him to be a character many thought was a B or even C ranked character only to push his way up now to what I feel can be A-Class and if not at least knocking LOUDLY on that door.

Heck some might question and think that I should be the last one proclaiming Great things about 17 and 18 as well since the Androids where big in eliminating U2 characters, but again that is how the ToP goes and Honestly the Fights where so Good with 17 and allot of honor was shown between that 2 sides by the end that even the Androids themselves felt connected to U2 by the time U2 went in such a classy way. Such honor by 17 and 18 shown to U2 touched me greatly and showed how much more deep of characters they are and how far they had come from their origins of Dr. Gero. This makes me hope for future stories between the Androids and U2 so both move forward together. Good can come out of Major Fights, it is DB's 411.

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But mostly I get wanting to see a character thought non-important for years becoming important again threw good writing and wanting to see that happen. Their seems a drive from Toei to make that happen and for a fan like me that was not a fan of 17's, I have to say I am impressed.

Also, We in the community keep doing the Same-Old-Dance too with the previews. We say after the episode airs how wrong the previews where and how toei keeps trolling us and that we should not fall for it again. THEN...... The next previews come-out and we break them down like they are 100% going to happen, again. We have to learn not to take them seriously as much anymore, yea stuff in them can happen and we need to be cautious about that, but just as much does not happen as well from them.

So to say from other fans 17 looks like he is going for certain cause of the previews alone has very little metrit to his by how the previews have fooled us in many ways for so long.

Again be Cautious as always Lapislettuce, but don't let the previews set in stone anything good or bad either, but I am glad to hear you have more positives about it, good to hear, now it is time to see what happens!

[supercat]

17 going down for the purpose of showcasing another pity party for Gohan would be the most pathetic event to have taken place throughout the entire tournament.

17 has proven to be one of universe 7's finest time and time again, whereas Gohan has shown to be nothing more than a whiny crybaby who always needs someone to go down on his behalf. How many sacrifices, pep talks, and emotional breakdowns does he need to shape up? He's seriously better off attending his meetings and saving the city occassionally as Saiyaman.

17 is far too great of an asset to waste on Gohan. It would be an absolute shame for someone as top-notched to be wasted on a boring character whose potential to be great had long been exhausted. He's only second to Tien when it comes to uninteresting and cheesy antics. His battles are dull and always lacking in awe. Even his finest moments (Obuni, Botamo, Saonel, Pirina, and Universe 3) were nothing spectacular. Though I do believe all of that was way more than he deserves. I don't know what it is, but he just has this boring vibe that gets even worse as he gets more screentime.

I personally feel 17's stamina, SSB-tier power, and battle smarts would be a great asset against Jiren. When Jiren unleashed that attack with his eyes, 17 was the only one to have properly deciphered what had taken place. He's been a huge contributor to the team; and without his strategic insight all of universe 7 would have gone down to Aniraza. Even speaking from a power standpoint, he's quite the beast. He was able to push back and blitz through an attack that was literally pushing back five SSB-tier fighters. Not to mention, the push he gave the attack was so substantial, it was practically pushed back to Aniraza's face. Yeah far better than Gohan's nonsense full power attack against Aniraza's previous, much weaker form.

When all is said and done, I personally can't see how anyone would choose Gohan over 17. I would feel that a lot of unused potential is wasted if 17 isn't able to contribute in some shape or form against Jiren, an opponent who presumably needs to be strategically addressed with an ample amount of battle smarts. Yes, battle smarts, a level of insight Gohan likely won't ever understand, let alone utilize.

[CriticalThinker]

Man I'm just hoping that when 17 does get knocked out it's like 18 and Roshi's and not like Tien's, Piccolo or Krillin's. He's had a great run this arc and it be a shame if he got a terrible knockout. Also hoping he does more against Toppo than just paralyzing him.

[Lionel]

I wouldn't mind a draw taking place. Except for the filler tournament in the afterlife, every finale has had one of the two finalists take home the gold. It would be interesting to see how an official tie where both parties are somehow eliminated at the same time is interpreted under the current stakes of the tournament. Do both universes get to stay alive? Will they each take turns using the Dragon Balls? Or could everyone be erased since an official winner would never have been declared and the greater authorities just decide to return back to the original plan of erasing all of them? It sounds like one of the most unexpected and original endings that this arc could have, in my opinion.

[Totamo]

I wouldn't mind a draw taking place. Except for the filler tournament in the afterlife, every finale has had one of the two finalists take home the gold. It would be interesting to see how an official tie where both parties are somehow eliminated at the same time is interpreted under the current stakes of the tournament. Do both universes get to stay alive? Will they each take turns using the Dragon Balls? Or could everyone be erased since an official winner would never have been declared and the greater authorities just decide to return back to the original plan of erasing all of them? It sounds like one of the most unexpected and original endings that this arc could have, in my opinion.

That will anger so many people. We have spend nearly 1 year watching this only to end with a tie?!

[pacz360]

17 going down for the purpose of showcasing another pity party for Gohan would be the most pathetic event to have taken place throughout the entire tournament.

17 has proven to be one of universe 7's finest time and time again, whereas Gohan has shown to be nothing more than a whiny crybaby who always needs someone to go down on his behalf. How many sacrifices, pep talks, and emotional breakdowns does he need to shape up? He's seriously better off attending his meetings and saving the city occassionally as Saiyaman.

17 is far too great of an asset to waste on Gohan. It would be an absolute shame for someone as top-notched to be wasted on a boring character whose potential to be great had long been exhausted. He's only second to Tien when it comes to uninteresting and cheesy antics. His battles are dull and always lacking in awe. Even his finest moments (Obuni, Botamo, Saonel, Pirina, and Universe 3) were nothing spectacular. Though I do believe all of that was way more than he deserves. I don't know what it is, but he just has this boring vibe that gets even worse as he gets more screentime.

I personally feel 17's stamina, SSB-tier power, and battle smarts would be a great asset against Jiren. When Jiren unleashed that attack with his eyes, 17 was the only one to have properly deciphered what had taken place. He's been a huge contributor to the team; and without his strategic insight all of universe 7 would have gone down to Aniraza. Even speaking from a power standpoint, he's quite the beast. He was able to push back and blitz through an attack that was literally pushing back five SSB-tier fighters. Not to mention, the push he gave the attack was so substantial, it was practically pushed back to Aniraza's face. Yeah far better than Gohan's nonsense full power attack against Aniraza's previous, much weaker form.

When all is said and done, I personally can't see how anyone would choose Gohan over 17. I would feel that a lot of unused potential is wasted if 17 isn't able to contribute in some shape or form against Jiren, an opponent who presumably needs to be strategically addressed with an ample amount of battle smarts. Yes, battle smarts, a level of insight Gohan likely won't ever understand, let alone utilize.

WTF can 17 do to jiren
Like Gohan he ain't shit to big J
Even Hit who's superior to both of those two and much smarter couldn't do shit to a suppress jiren

[pacz360]

Also can we wait and see on who's gonna outlast who
All we know is
Vegeta and goku Vs jiren
17 and Gohan Vs toppo
Dyspo Vs Freeza
Then later Gohan helps Freeza then 17 faces toppo who in 126 will show his full Power

[pacz360]

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The bottom right image... Why is Arack sitting with U7?

EDIT: And I think I see the legs of the U8 Angel too.

[CriticalThinker]

At first I thought that was Beerus drawn with a beer gut but it seems like it's that fish looking god of destruction. Wonder why he's sitting over there with U7, also seems like will be getting the start of Toppo vs 17 and Gohan in this episode. Was already hyped for the episode but I'm even more hyped now and can't wait for it to come out.

[GodVegetto91]

At first I thought that was Beerus drawn with a beer gut but it seems like it's that fish looking god of destruction. Wonder why he's sitting over there with U7, also seems like will be getting the start of Toppo vs 17 and Gohan in this episode. Was already hyped for the episode but I'm even more hyped now and can't wait for it to come out.

What do you mean “Fish-looking” God? That’s the U12 GoD who resembles a fish. This is Arack, Universe 5 GoD.

[Kanassa]

In one image Jiren is getting pudgy, in another he's on fucking steroids!