That and Vegeta got a baller new attack in the manga. I'm a big fan of Gamma Burst Flash. I need to see it in the anime. With how wide it was in the manga, I think he could've taken out half the ToP fighters with that attack alone.TheSaiyanGod wrote: About the manga, I agree. There Vegeta is actually treated so much better than in the anime.
I like how he created or at least perfected on the basis of the hard training the dynamics of switching between SSG and SSB. It really seems that he thought of a strategy to defeat Black, not just increase his brute power.
Despite being overtaken by Goku in the FT saga, few chapters later he equals his rival dominating the SSB in the same way. While in the anime, he most of the time was behind because of the Kaioken (which also created several confusions in the energy scale).
Agreed. I just don't understand why Vegeta never took him inside the RoSaT. They trained anyway. Why not get thousands of times the amount of training?And I also agree that Trunks had a great motivation to get a new transformation, the point is that this was not built throughout the saga. TOEI could simply have Trunks train with Whis or at least a few months with Vegeta on RoSaT, but she decided to give Trunks an insane power up without any proper training, and no promotion of any kind before. The power up felt much more forced, after all, Trunks SSJ2 seemed a nuisance in the fight against Black.
I kinda feel this way too, but most of what you said comes down to interpretation. It simply isn't shown in the writing that these two have developed such a bond. They barely talk, barely interact, and they've simply made Cabba a Vegeta fanboy and Vegeta a begrudging old master who has taken an interest in Cabba. The connection is no where near Piccolo and Gohan was in Z and it needs to be for this power up to work. I'm not saying I don't like Vegeta and Cabba. I'm just saying they needed more time to build this dynamic and could've used this tourney to do so. Instead, both Geets and Cabba have had limited screen time.And I do not think that just using Kyabe as motivation is a bad thing.
Vegeta had all his race extinct by Freeza. To know that in another universe there existed a planet full of good Saiyans who fight for justice must have been very rewarding for him, basically as if he could have contact again with someone of the same blood (outside Goku and his sons) and had his whole race brought back. He saw this in Kyabe, so much so that he decided to train him in the middle of the tournament and taught the SSJ to him (Vegeta would not do that to anyone). He also wanted to meet Kyabe's Planet and that was a promise.
Now in the tournament, Vegeta promised that he would resurrect Kyabe to fulfill his promise. And with the death of Kyabe himself, it has become a huge burden for Vegeta to carry, a promise he can not simply ignore. So there really is a strong relationship between the two, and this has been worked out since the Champa tournament, reinforced on EP 112 and used as motivation for Vegeta to get stronger.
What I do feel, is some of what you said. Vegeta has honor and he feels a connection, maybe fatherly but definitely as a Sensei, towards Cabba. He made a promise and he wants to keep it.
I am starting to feel that Saiyans get the transformations they need once they reach a certain power threshold. The anime seems to be showing us that they can somewhat control the transformations they get based on what they need and the techniques, ki types, wants, needs, and powers they're using.Vegeta also trained enough to get a power up at that level, so it's no exaggeration that he got so strong (as opposed to future Trunks). The explanation about him '' breaking the wall '' just means that something like that happened when Goku got the UI, he went beyond his limit, unlocking a hidden potential in his body.
It's all preference, I'll admit. I never liked SSB except for the aura. I like the darker color of Vegeta's new form, but now I don't like the aura lol. I also think it's too much of one color. Vegeta needs his black armor, because now he just looks like a weird buff Sonic the Hedgehog to me and its making me uncomfortable when he sparkles and stares at the screen with those kawai eyesOn the visual, I also think it's a matter of preference. I like the aura of the SSJ Rage Trunks, but I prefer the aura of Vegeta's new '' Blue '', it's something more detailed and visually more beautiful. The pupils were also something to really differentiate this form from the others
.There's some plot holes to it, I agree. People seem to be able to sense energy only when the plot demands as it doesn't make any sense that no one knew Trunks and Goten could go Super Saiyan if the boys had used it before. At the very least Piccolo and Vegeta should have known. But outside of that, because KK has always existed it never felt like it came out of nowhere. And it makes a strange sort of sense that you can combine them. One is a godly technique and the other is a transformation using god ki. But I have to admit, I'd have loved to see Goku spout of those percentages of success and then just spontaneously combust in a blaze of failure. That would've made that arc more enjoyable for me. But I did really enjoy SSBKK in that arc.About Kaioken, we did not see Goku at any point even hint at combining this technique with Blue. He trained with Whis and Vegeta on RoSaT for years, and both Whis and Vegeta neither knew what he was planning. How?
He also says that the chance of this combination working is 10%, but conveniently, it just works.
I have no doubt that it's a Toei only thing. They even had Goku combine KK with SSJ in the Afterlife tournament in DBZ. Goku called it the Super Kaioken. It was filler, so he obviously never used it again, leaving those of us who didn't know what filler was to scratch our heads. And yes, I had to use headcanon to explain why he mastered it so easily. And the headcanon makes sense, considering Saiyans adapt to stuff so quickly, but yeah, still poor writing.Then the Kaioken is set aside and the justification was a kind of Ki disease.
Goku fought several battles against Black and Zamasu, almost died, had to return to the past and never used the Kaioken (this gave the impression that the technique was not in the script of Toriyama and if it were used by TOEI, could simply beat Black and Zamasu very more quickly).
However, suddenly Goku uses against Zamasu, with no apparent training to master. In the next saga, he simply can use the technique freely without any wear and tear. So overall this was always very strange in anime
