Totamo wrote:TheSaiyanGod wrote:I don't understand why people insist on citing that Vegeta did not get UI because of his personality, when in fact not even Goku himself got the UI in a '' conventional '' way, he was swallowed by a Genki Dama to be able to use the technique after '' breaking the shell '.
In this case, Whis's teachings regarding the UI have no connection with Goku having awakened this technique.
And the reason Vegeta did not wake the UI is simple
script
He did the same training as Goku, participated in the same battles and was in situations as extreme as Goku. He could have awakened the UI, but he didn't use because of script.
If Goku breaking through his shell is all this form is then why can't he used the form willingly like He can with every other form he got the same way.
Ultra instinct is your body moving by itself and thats what whis said it would do in Rof and he explained why goku would get it and why Vegeta couldn't. The spirti bomb was the trigger, not the whole reason. To say such, would be to ignore everything about the scene and what the form has done
By the way, No Vegeta has not been in an extreme situation like Goku was in this tournament, his attack created a mini blackhole and almost killed him. Also same training doesn't equal same results for all. ton of people trained under king kai, yet only Goku mastered his techniques and this isn't just a Goku thing. The humans got better results under kami in 1 year than Goku did in 3, Gohan got better results in the time chamber than any of the other 3.
By the way script rules all, including Vegeta's moments. Thats a dumb thing to say.
Then again I'm a Goku fanboy but then again, you're a Vegeta fanboy.
Whis never said that Vegeta could not, he just said it was more difficult because of his personality.
But in this case, personality does not interfere. Goku did not learn to use the UI because of the training with Whis, he simply awakened a transformation that automatically gives him that technique (and he does not even know how to activate on his own). That's why the argument '' Vegeta can not use because of his personality '' does not make any sense here.
Vegeta has been in extreme situations several times. He was defeated by Jiren and almost knocked unconscious, then exploded to try to defeat Toppo and got totally worn out, then took several other extremely powerful Jiren attacks just like Goku. And this argument that '' same training does not equal results for al '' does not make sense either. This only happens when it is convenient.
And again, the fact that Goku awakens the UI does not necessarily relate to his training, I'm talking about the situations he's been through.
And yes, everything is script.
And I don't care if you think I'm a fanboy, this is not much coming from another fanboy
PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:I think episode 129 has laid out more of the groundwork behind why Goku achieved the Ultra Instinct over Vegeta.
Son Goku is a fighting prodigy, and one could certainly say he's obsessed with fighting. But that's just it.... Goku is all about the fight. He immerses himself into a fight as if it were an extension of himself. His body has built up the instinctual realization of the very concept of fighting itself.
The Spirit Bomb nearly killing him was the trigger for which his body would be prompted to struggle against all odds and gain a life of its own, and thus the ability to channel all that fighting instinct into the form we see now, the Complete Ultra Instinct.
Vegeta, though? His mind always wanders, focused on surpassing Goku, on protecting his family, on seeing to the growth of the Universe 6 Saiyans. His mind and body simply aren't in sync with the purest idea of martial arts; Goku's mind and body are.
I'll repeat what I said in my post above
In this case, personality does not interfere. Goku did not learn to use the UI because of the training with Whis, he simply awakened a transformation that automatically gives him that technique (and he does not even know how to activate on his own). That's why the argument '' Vegeta can not use because of his personality '' does not make any sense here.
