Issei189 wrote:So the scaling goes like this.
Goku
Vegeta
Frieza
Andriod 17
Gohan
Piccolo or Andriod 18
Kuririn
Roshi or Tien
Piccolo, Andriod 18, Roshi and Tien are interchangable. It's really hard to say who's stronger b/w Piccolo and Andriod 18
I do not think 18 is on the same level as Piccolo.
In fact, while Piccolo had been training all this time and overcame Gohan SSJ2 easily, 18 did nothing, only fought with Kuririn before the tournament.
Saturnine wrote:Yep, Vegeta I believe is intended to parallel Goku's KKx20 with his Evolution form. That means in a long fight he easily takes it.
Unless you really wanna go on Vegeta's side here and use his Toppo power, which I think was portrayed as surpassing Goku's KKx20. I think this sort of power would only come in emotional turmoil though, so I'm leaning towards thinking Vegeta's regular Evo power equal's Goku's KKx20.
I don't see why Vegeta's power up against Toppo is not valid here.
He only surpassed Toppo after this boost, and on EP 127, when Vegeta confronts Jiren, Jiren himself says he understands how Vegeta managed to defeat his partner (basically confirming Vegeta> Toppo and that vegeta kept this power up).
If Vegeta no longer had this power up, then he would be less than Toppo, but that was not what happened