Your thoughts on the Tournament of Power compared to the Dragon World's other arcs

[GamerSkull]

It's worse than any of the canon arcs in the Dragon Ball franchise. Filler arcs is debatable.

I just wish there was more of a story to the ToP than there actually is.

[Akyon]

Second best arc in Super for me, but it's by far the one with the most unrealised potential.

There feels like actual stakes are involved, something that the Champa arc was sorely lacking, and even to an extent the Goku Black Arc. Unlike previous arcs I have no idea what's going to happen week to week...although nor do the writers at times it seems.

If it wasn't for the pre-ToP stuff(Zen Exhibition, Recruitment mini arc, etc) I'd probably be inclined to think of it less warmly.

[Exline]

I think its the worst arc in the series for me. The worst.

There was nothing of substance to it beyond just straight up fighting, fighting logic didn't make sense half the time, and the general logic and infamous plot-stamina, zig-zagging didn't even help the lack of tension and had a snails pace. Then there was the clear inconsistency between writers, and the lack of any sub-plots, terribly designed and generic characters, and most of them didn't even take the stakes seriously at all. Then there was way too much emphasis on protecting certain characters in ways that it looked obvious.

It also inflated the worst of DB's tropes to the forefront of what we saw but the issue I have with it is, that it really felt less like Z and more like just a mash up of all the common Shounen cliches today played straight. Friendship power ups, friendship speeches, momentary melodrama, antagonists being brick walls until the last fight, etc. All of the worst. It just did not feel like an organic and really shown me how limited Tournament arcs can be because, the characters can't leave the ring to do anything else in between plot-points unlike the Cell & Buu arcs.

The major problem I've had with this arc is that it felt like less of a battle for survival because everyone seemed to be fighting just for fun.

*There was indeed a lack of sub-plots.
-They should have furthered Gohan's struggle with erasing universes for the sake of his own and how he doesn't like to fight this way.
-The Frieza and Frost Alliance should have developed more. I swear the characters from the U6 Tournament get literally no development at all besides Cabba.
-The Hidden Fighters of U4 should have more significance then they did. They could have been responsible for some interesting and mind-boggling eliminations that could be explained later in the arc.
-Anilaza should have appeared earlier when there were way more fighters. Universes could have allied together for a while to take out such a large threat. Then after establishing such a relationship, it would be much harder on the fighters to get rid of their new friends.

So many missed opportunities in this tournament.

*However what made the arc so great for me were the many characters we were introduced to.
-Ribrianne and all of U2 were interesting and lovable characters. Especially Rozie, she was so damn cute and her fighting style was intriguing.
-Caulifla and Kale, the first two female super saiyans. Such incredible characters. However their was so much more that could've been done with them. The only thing I didn't like about her Kale is her shy and timid persona. It's such a cliche in many anime shows. Her voice actor was incredible whenever she transformed though. Same as Caulifla. They really conveyed that these women were incredibly powerful.
-Toppo was such a fun character as well. He deserved so much more since he was the first fighter from U11 to fight against Goku. His fight against Frieza was such a spectacle, however his reasoning made no sense to me since it was really hinted at prior to the tournament. His intense transformation was able to make up for it. Sadly he was eliminated in such a lackluster fight against Vegeta.
-Almost every fighter we were introduced was so interesting. Sadly most suffered from terrible execution and build-up. Especially characters like Nigrisshi and Murichim and the Hidden Fighters of U4.


I don't find this to be the worst arc of Super. We have had some interesting fights, characters, and character interactions that we would probably not get from any other arc in Dragon Ball. If anything this arc was the second best of Super, leaving the Future Trunks Arc to be the best of the super imo.

I enjoyed a lot of the Tournament of Power. Episodes 90, 95, 102, 107, 109, 110, 112, 114, 116, 118, 121, 122, 125, and 130.
Anybody else have any favorite episodes and care to explain why?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

However what made the arc so great for me were the many characters we were introduced to.
-Ribrianne and all of U2 were interesting and lovable characters. Especially Rozie, she was so damn cute and her fighting style was intriguing.
-Caulifla and Kale, the first two female super saiyans. Such incredible characters. However their was so much more that could've been done with them. The only thing I didn't like about her Kale is her shy and timid persona. It's such a cliche in many anime shows. Her voice actor was incredible whenever she transformed though. Same as Caulifla. They really conveyed that these women were incredibly powerful.
-Toppo was such a fun character as well. He deserved so much more since he was the first fighter from U11 to fight against Goku. His fight against Frieza was such a spectacle, however his reasoning made no sense to me since it was really hinted at prior to the tournament. His intense transformation was able to make up for it. Sadly he was eliminated in such a lackluster fight against Vegeta.
-Almost every fighter we were introduced was so interesting. Sadly most suffered from terrible execution and build-up. Especially characters like Nigrisshi and Murichim and the Hidden Fighters of U4.

I don't find this to be the worst arc of Super. We have had some interesting fights, characters, and character interactions that we would probably not get from any other arc in Dragon Ball. If anything this arc was the second best of Super, leaving the Future Trunks Arc to be the best of the super imo. ?

In general I found Super as a whole boring because it just felt like it was nothing but just shallow versus match ups in-universe. Fighting for nothing. Just for the sake of it. Also, I find it hard to even judge the TOP being the second "best" arc seeing as Super doesn't really have actual arcs. The first half was badly animated, badly scored movie retellings, the second one was a meh tournament arc for no reason but food, the Goku Black arc was falling into form again but it was just badly executed, and the TOP was just a mess held back by poor character usage and too much shielding over U7 from the writers and Grand Priest. Then there is the fact that I found 80 characters unnecessarily big. Most of the character designs look horrible because of that.

It may be controversial but I actually liked Ribrianne and her design though. She just stood out more so in character and design over the majority of the forgettable 1-trait gimmicks. Her and the Trio De dangers, though the anime makes them seem stronger than they should be.

If Aniraza was that giant squid robot (cant remember) then I loathed his character just being ridiculous looking and they copied too much off Hatchiyak and Janemba for my taste. I was fine when Zamasu did the whole dimension-punch thing (as you could easily say hes exploiting the time-ring), Aniraza was unoriginal in every way. He was proof to me that the designs of DB were just getting shittier. (Unlike GT where nearly all the characters looked solid to passable)

I also do like Caulifla and Kale (Kale is my favorite character next to Hit), problem is they were rushed badly and I think thats what people misblame them for. They are too OP for their appearance. Kale is justified but people overlook that. Kale had the most character development in the series next to Cabba. Nobody likes characters that can do anything with ease in Shounen. Thus Caulifla got her hate, even though people said she was bae when she was first shown.

Toppo was iffy for me. He was annoying when he was first shown but tolerable, but they ruined him by making the Hakai inconsistent and Vegeta just able to power up over it. That was ridiculous. Then how Jiren was handled was just sad. If they really wanted him to contrast Goku, instead of the bullcrap of friendship (which Goku contradicts himself in due to his stock-shounen protagonist speech) it would have made more sense to emphasize that Goku wasn't a hero of justice and have Jiren question that. The same way Vegeta had at first looked down on Goku for his lack of overt Saiyan pride over pride in himself as he said in BoG. His speech about how he respected willpower but didn't fight with "love" and preferred sheer "guts" was much better for him to define himself with than that "I'll never forgive you if you hurt my friends" BS.

The whole thing about those two bugs being hyped up was dumb, because it further shown us that the Super characters seemed to forget they can sense each other. It was a stupid gimmick. The characters have fought threats far bigger than this. It was just stupid how Toei really dumbs them down like that.

[Exline]

In general I found Super as a whole boring because it just felt like it was nothing but just shallow versus match ups in-universe. Fighting for nothing. Just for the sake of it. Also, I find it hard to even judge the TOP being the second "best" arc seeing as Super doesn't really have actual arcs. The first half was badly animated, badly scored movie retellings, the second one was a meh tournament arc for no reason but food, the Goku Black arc was falling into form again but it was just badly executed, and the TOP was just a mess held back by poor character usage and too much shielding over U7 from the writers and Grand Priest. Then there is the fact that I found 80 characters unnecessarily big. Most of the character designs look horrible because of that.

I agree. They were playing way too safe. And yeah the previous arcs were nothing but match-ups honestly. Barely any story whatsoever. All the arcs were such great ideas but executed in such a mediocre fashion. However after watching the ending, I feel that the Tournament of Power is truly the best arc of all DB Super arcs, even Future Trunks Saga.

It may be controversial but I actually liked Ribrianne and her design though. She just stood out more so in character and design over the majority of the forgettable 1-trait gimmicks. Her and the Trio De dangers, though the anime makes them seem stronger than they should be.

If Aniraza was that giant squid robot (cant remember) then I loathed his character just being ridiculous looking and they copied too much off Hatchiyak and Janemba for my taste. I was fine when Zamasu did the whole dimension-punch thing (as you could easily say hes exploiting the time-ring), Aniraza was unoriginal in every way. He was proof to me that the designs of DB were just getting shittier. (Unlike GT where nearly all the characters looked solid to passable)

I also do like Caulifla and Kale (Kale is my favorite character next to Hit), problem is they were rushed badly and I think thats what people misblame them for. They are too OP for their appearance. Kale is justified but people overlook that. Kale had the most character development in the series next to Cabba. Nobody likes characters that can do anything with ease in Shounen. Thus Caulifla got her hate, even though people said she was bae when she was first shown.

Toppo was iffy for me. He was annoying when he was first shown but tolerable, but they ruined him by making the Hakai inconsistent and Vegeta just able to power up over it. That was ridiculous. Then how Jiren was handled was just sad. If they really wanted him to contrast Goku, instead of the bullcrap of friendship (which Goku contradicts himself in due to his stock-shounen protagonist speech) it would have made more sense to emphasize that Goku wasn't a hero of justice and have Jiren question that. The same way Vegeta had at first looked down on Goku for his lack of overt Saiyan pride over pride in himself as he said in BoG. His speech about how he respected willpower but didn't fight with "love" and preferred sheer "guts" was much better for him to define himself with than that "I'll never forgive you if you hurt my friends" BS.

The whole thing about those two bugs being hyped up was dumb, because it further shown us that the Super characters seemed to forget they can sense each other. It was a stupid gimmick. The characters have fought threats far bigger than this. It was just stupid how Toei really dumbs them down like that.

The problem with Caulifla and Kale imo is that they were shown to be amateurs but apparently can fight well against a professional like Goku. It re-establishes that higher power levels = better fighting prowess which is such a terrible concept.

And yeah haha Jiren was also another wasted character. The most boring and bland of Dragon Ball antagonists to date. He could've been done way better had they established his backstory earlier and made him more vocal about his ideals so we could get a much better understanding of it.

[DragonHermit]

The plot was shit, but I liked the arc, which just goes to show how well the other stuff was executed, to balance out the shit plot. Animation, music, choreography, characterisation were all on point.

Definitely not above Future Trunks arc. Future Trunks is 3rd best saga after Frieza (including Saiyan), and Cell (including Trunks) imo. It could have been as good as the Cell Saga, but the ending was an asspull.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

The problem with Caulifla and Kale imo is that they were shown to be amateurs but apparently can fight well against a professional like Goku. It re-establishes that higher power levels = better fighting prowess which is such a terrible concept.

Yes. Thats the contrast. Caulifla was struggling with the background Pride Troopers but can handle Goku. Or more glaring was Kale who in her base did nothing to defend herself and got beat up by that red frog character, but in her Berserk form, she can fight Goku. Sure Gohan has those traits when he was younger, but it wasn't any better than either.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Lol, I see people complaining about fights beign prominent in an arc based on battle royale fighting. Seriously , do you want to see them play cards or some shit?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Lol, I see people complaining about fights beign prominent in an arc based on battle royale fighting. Seriously , do you want to see them play cards or some shit?

Are you saying Tournament arcs should be expected to have a storyline outside the plot of them? Sure Goku got stronger now, but if the most substance for the arc was about Goku getting stronger then its a pretty shallow one.

[One_Instance]

This is definitely my favorite arc in Super (that's not to say it's better in every way to the previous arcs), I also think it alone is better than all of GT. Is it better than any of the original Dragon Ball manga arcs? Nope. Not even slightly.