Unpopular DB opinions

[Scsigs]

I don't care much for Masako Nozawa's Goku, or the fact that she voices, literally, EVERY male family member except for Raditz & Doppelganger of his, even when it doesn't matter or make sense for her to. It's just her voice is SO unfitting for his character design as an adult. I also find it grating. Ironically, I like her Goku Black for the opposite reasons. It's still somewhat unfitting, but it's subdued in her delivery, plus I've heard other voice actors do something similar, like Steve Blum as Orochimaru, & I've liked those voices.
I'm also not much of a fan of Mayumi Tanaka as Krillin. Thankfully, she's limited to him & Yajirobe, but I've heard her as Luffy in One Piece for short clips, where she fits that role much better. Ironically, Luffy's more like Goku than his is Krillin.
It's a result of vocal dissonance of the worst kind, since I have qualms about this in the English dub too, like Linda Young as Frieza & Colleen Clinkenbeard as kid Gohan & Goku, where both don't fit the character designs. Ironically, Colleen uses a variation on her Luffy voice, &, while I like her in THAT role & I can get used to her as Gohan, Goku is another matter. I still like Nadolny's voice tone better for both roles & I wish that they got someone who can do a similar voice tone to hers if it was really necessary to replace her for Kai, which I'm still not convinced it was.

[Tian]

He sounds like Plankton to me.

I thought I was the only one who found their voices similar.

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I was never fond of Kyle Hebert as the Narrator. Seriously, I thought I was watching a documentary film instead of Dragon Ball Z. I'm glad he got recasted with Doc Morgan for Kai and Super.

[ABED]

He sounds like Plankton to me.

I thought I was the only one who found their voices similar.

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I was never fond of Kyle Hebert as the Narrator. Seriously, I thought I was watching a documentary film instead of Dragon Ball Z. I'm glad he got recasted with Doc Morgan for Kai and Super.

I don't like Hebert's narrator voice. He's trying too hard to sound like a narrator. He doesn't have that kind of voice.

[Scsigs]

He sounds like Plankton to me.

I thought I was the only one who found their voices similar.

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I was never fond of Kyle Hebert as the Narrator. Seriously, I thought I was watching a documentary film instead of Dragon Ball Z. I'm glad he got recasted with Doc Morgan for Kai and Super.

I don't like Hebert's narrator voice. He's trying too hard to sound like a narrator. He doesn't have that kind of voice.

You ever hear the impression Jon Bailey (Honest Trailer's narrator) did of Hebert's DBZ Narrator in the Nostalgia Critic review of Dragonball Evolution? Funny shit there.

[MasenkoHA]

He sounds like Plankton to me.

I thought I was the only one who found their voices similar.

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I was never fond of Kyle Hebert as the Narrator. Seriously, I thought I was watching a documentary film instead of Dragon Ball Z. I'm glad he got recasted with Doc Morgan for Kai and Super.

Is it bad that I could literally not tell the difference between Kyle Hebert's narrator and Dale Kelly's?

[CaroKami]

The final battle against Jiren is complete trash.

[Forte224]

The final battle against Jiren is complete trash.

How come though? I'm not going to fight you but I'd just like to hear the reasoning.

[ABED]

Gohan finding his courage in the Saiyan arc completed his character arc, not turning SSJ2.

[Scsigs]

Gohan finding his courage in the Saiyan arc completed his character arc, not turning SSJ2.

I would argue that, while he was more confident than before after training with Piccolo, he didn't stop being paralyzed with fear until the Frieza arc at the earliest, & the Androids arc at the latest.

[ABED]

Gohan finding his courage in the Saiyan arc completed his character arc, not turning SSJ2.

I would argue that, while he was more confident than before after training with Piccolo, he didn't stop being paralyzed with fear until the Frieza arc at the earliest, & the Androids arc at the latest.

And I would say you seem to forget that Gohan went back to help Goku fight Vegeta. He also stood up to Nappa and Vegeta. He wasn't paralyzed by fear well before even the Freeza arc. Hell, he stood up to his mother so he could leave for Namek.

[One_Instance]

He sounds like Plankton to me.

I thought I was the only one who found their voices similar.

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I was never fond of Kyle Hebert as the Narrator. Seriously, I thought I was watching a documentary film instead of Dragon Ball Z. I'm glad he got recasted with Doc Morgan for Kai and Super.

I never made this connection until now. My eyes have been opened and I will never not be able to hear the FUNi Dragon Ball narrator scheming to steal the Krabby Patty secret formula.

[RedHeat]

Ribrianne should have had much more screen time and perhaps even a solo managa/special.

Cell Arc and Buu Arc should've been merged into one with the main baddie being a Android 21-type character.

[Doctor.]

Gohan finding his courage in the Saiyan arc completed his character arc, not turning SSJ2.

The drama and his inner conflict during the Cell Games had nothing to do with his Saiyan arc fears, though.

[ABED]

Gohan finding his courage in the Saiyan arc completed his character arc, not turning SSJ2.

The drama and his inner conflict during the Cell Games had nothing to do with his Saiyan arc fears, though.

Nor do they feel organic. Perhaps I wasn't clear. More often than not, I read comments on here about Gohan's potential being realized in the Cell Games completed his character arc that began when he was introduced. I disagree. His character arc was complete when shows his bravery in the Saiyan arc. He was also in full control over his power. His "potential" is constantly being brought out because it's narratively convenient.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Ribrianne should have had much more screen time and perhaps even a solo managa/special.

Cell Arc and Buu Arc should've been merged into one with the main baddie being a Android 21-type character.

Oh Course I like this Point allot RedHeat, but also because I think it would have lead to a better final battle in the ToP. Honestly I was hoping for a final 3-5 way battle of the Best of the Best from difference Universes to keep the likelihood of who would win in question allot. Not just a mono-e-mono of U11 vs. U7, but more like each of the strongest universes that where left had 1 each defending them and going for the win. Not just Ribiranne of U2, but Kale or Hit of U6, U4's Bug Warrior and then Goku and Jiren as well would have been a much more interesting final match and more on your edge in who might win.

With that more screentime would greatly justify more development for Ribrianne's character arc!

Also a Solo/Manga special, mainly maybe an origin story for Ribrianne and the Fireballs would be a great ideal to develop them further!

[Doctor.]

He was also in full control over his power. His "potential" is constantly being brought out because it's narratively convenient.

He wasn't. He got mad at Nappa and failed to do anything more than sting his hand. His powerlevel dropped like a rock after that, confirming that he still wasn't in control of his hidden powers. The Namek arc afterwards proves it. The SS2 transformation completes his arc in the sense that it gives closure to the whole hidden power plot point.

I agree that the drama during the Cell Games felt a bit artificial.

[ABED]

He was also in full control over his power. His "potential" is constantly being brought out because it's narratively convenient.

He wasn't. He got mad at Nappa and failed to do anything more than sting his hand. His powerlevel dropped like a rock after that, confirming that he still wasn't in control of his hidden powers. The Namek arc afterwards proves it. The SS2 transformation completes his arc in the sense that it gives closure to the whole hidden power plot point.

I agree that the drama during the Cell Games felt a bit artificial.

He was in full control. He could fight as well as nearly anyone else and wasn't dependent on emotion to fight. Of course he can grow stronger due to emotion, but I see that as less to do with unrealized potential and more like a grandma being able to lift a car to save her grandchild. Of course his power dropped like a rock afterwards, he used all of his power in that one blast. The SS2 is yet another example of Toriyama giving him yet more potential after having his potential released by the grand elder.

Even assuming I'm wrong about the above, having Gohan turn SSJ2 is not a satisfying completion of a satisfying character arc.

[Doctor.]

The SS2 is yet another example of Toriyama giving him yet more potential after having his potential released by the grand elder.

Even if you want to say that Toriyama just prolonged his character arc beyond its original finishing point (which I could agree with, considering he does this with a lot of other characters, namely Vegeta), it didn't start and finish with SS2. It obviously started with the Namek arc, and in the very beginning I may add, since his hidden powers manifest right at the start when he kicks Dodoria and they still manifest themselves twice against Freeza even after his potential is released.

[ABED]

But that just proves my point. Gohan has more untapped potential when it's convenient. Gohan gains control of his power in the Saiyan arc. It's brought out by the Grand Elder, but conveniently has more. Then it's brought out again when he turns SSJ then again when he turns SSJ2.

Fundamentally, my point is that he has a full arc in the Saiyan arc. In the beginning, he's a scared, sheltered child whose father doesn't even know he has such power. Only the briefest of instances of incredible anger does he show his power, but it goes back down to that of a typical 4 year old child as soon as he calms down. Piccolo teaches him how to use his power so that he's not useful in brief moments of intense emotion. When confronted with the Saiyans, it's not power Gohan lacks, it's courage. When he does finally find his courage, his involvement is essential to defeating the big bad. That's a compelling arc. It has a beginning, middle, and end. To put it another way, it is a complete story because it contains a setup, complications, and a satisfying payoff. It's not one about battle power, it's emotionally based.

[Doctor.]

Fundamentally, my point is that he has a full arc in the Saiyan arc. I don't know why this isn't getting through.

It is. I'm telling you that, regardless of whether or not he has a full arc in the Saiyan arc, Toriyama clearly didn't finish it there. He chose to prolong his arc beyond its original finishing point and developed the character even further by rehashing some of what he had done already whilst adding some new stuff (that may have not been integrated in the most organic way possible) in to the mix. I'm not sure why this isn't getting through. Some people feel as if Super Saiyan 2 completed Gohan's character arc obviously because Gohan was still being utilized as a character beyond the Saiyan arc. Personally, I find it obvious that it was completed in the Boo arc along with most of everyone else with a prolonged arc.

Most characters in Dragon Ball have a personal arc with a beginning, middle and end in every arc of the series, because Toriyama never knows when he's gonna finish it so he tries to make the current arc as compelling as possible. Goku's arc on Namek isn't the same as the one during the Red Ribbon Army arc, yet can you truly say so conclusively and in such a general way that "Goku's character arc finished in the Red Ribbon Army arc" just because his arc in the RRA arc is satisfying or compelling?