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Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
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I wonder if Bulma was bluffing, 17 looks dumb by threatening every scientist in the world. I like how #16 intervened that, hopefully he will knock Goku's head next.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Slangh wrote:Surely a Super Saiyan is fast enough to avoid water? This special is putting itself in the weirdest positions to achieve a certain outcome in the story.
Of all the possible problems, that's not one. The water was pushed by a force stronger than a Super Saiyan. The speed would just depend on that force.
If a planet-destroying power was used to move water, the result would have been an explosion of super-heated water due to the huge amount of energy transferred. Bulma would have been killed and the damage would have been catastrophic, but she's still alive and everything is still standing. 18 was just pushing the water outward with a force field and the result looks like a normal flood that any superhuman can dodge by jumping into the air.
Slangh wrote:If a planet-destroying power was used to move water, the result would have been an explosion of super-heated water due to the huge amount of energy transferred.
Don't apply realistic physics to DB please, sir. By the same token, all of the energy explosions should be causing third degree burns to every non-superpowered human who looks at them due to the sheer amount of thermal radiation, but they don't. They don't behave like real world explosions at all in any way whatsoever, so trying to apply the reasoning that water pushed with that force would be steam (it would be plasma) isn't valid to DB's internal logic where characters can somehow avoid blowing up the planet but still hurt strong enemies because the explosions don't behave like real energy. Hell, the characters should be super-heating the air like a re-entry craft because they are clearly going many double figure machs at the very lowest, but this never happens because it's a comic and not a physics textbook.
It fits with DB's own internal logic that 18 can push water really fast, but it doesn't become steam or turn to plasma for the same reason that this has never been applied to the super speed of the characters, their punches and kicks, or the light from their ki attacks before. That should be enough.
Slangh wrote:If a planet-destroying power was used to move water, the result would have been an explosion of super-heated water due to the huge amount of energy transferred.
Don't apply realistic physics to DB please, sir. By the same token, all of the energy explosions should be causing third degree burns to every non-superpowered human who looks at them due to the sheer amount of thermal radiation, but they don't. They don't behave like real world explosions at all in any way whatsoever, so trying to apply the reasoning that water pushed with that force would be steam (it would be plasma) isn't valid to DB's internal logic where characters can somehow avoid blowing up the planet but still hurt strong enemies because the explosions don't behave like real energy. Hell, the characters should be super-heating the air like a re-entry craft because they are clearly going many double figure machs at the very lowest, but this never happens because it's a comic and not a physics textbook.
It fits with DB's own internal logic that 18 can push water really fast, but it doesn't become steam or turn to plasma for the same reason that this has never been applied to the super speed of the characters, their punches and kicks, or the light from their ki attacks before. That should be enough.
I know realistic physics don't apply to DB, especially when it comes to ki attacks. My point was that the water looks like everyone could have easily dodged it except for Bulma. 18's forcefield just seems to displace the water, making it flow freely as if a dam was breached but nothing that Super Saiyans can't dodge. Maybe if the water was at least exploding outwards, with a sense of speed and power, it would have been convincing, along with some destruction in the vicinity. But nothing is destroyed, Bulma survived easily and everyone just got soaked as if they merely had a water balloon fight, so it's not convincing enough.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just a case of "Goku is only smart when it comes to fighting." Superhuman Bulma would've dodged, somebody like Trunks carrying the remote probably would've dodged, but Goku had a duh moment and didn't think about keeping the remote away from the water.
So when he saw a wave coming he was just like "oh it's just water, no need to dodge that."
Slangh wrote:If a planet-destroying power was used to move water, the result would have been an explosion of super-heated water due to the huge amount of energy transferred.
Don't apply realistic physics to DB please, sir. By the same token, all of the energy explosions should be causing third degree burns to every non-superpowered human who looks at them due to the sheer amount of thermal radiation, but they don't. They don't behave like real world explosions at all in any way whatsoever, so trying to apply the reasoning that water pushed with that force would be steam (it would be plasma) isn't valid to DB's internal logic where characters can somehow avoid blowing up the planet but still hurt strong enemies because the explosions don't behave like real energy. Hell, the characters should be super-heating the air like a re-entry craft because they are clearly going many double figure machs at the very lowest, but this never happens because it's a comic and not a physics textbook.
It fits with DB's own internal logic that 18 can push water really fast, but it doesn't become steam or turn to plasma for the same reason that this has never been applied to the super speed of the characters, their punches and kicks, or the light from their ki attacks before. That should be enough.
I know realistic physics don't apply to DB, especially when it comes to ki attacks. My point was that the water looks like everyone could have easily dodged it except for Bulma. 18's forcefield just seems to displace the water, making it flow freely as if a dam was breached but nothing that Super Saiyans can't dodge. Maybe if the water was at least exploding outwards, with a sense of speed and power, it would have been convincing, along with some destruction in the vicinity. But nothing is destroyed, Bulma survived easily and everyone just got soaked as if they merely had a water balloon fight, so it's not convincing enough.
Fair enough. I think you can argue it doesn't look violent enough to catch everyone. Maybe Bulma could've been shielded by someone in that case.
Pantalones wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just a case of "Goku is only smart when it comes to fighting." Superhuman Bulma would've dodged, somebody like Trunks carrying the remote probably would've dodged, but Goku had a duh moment and didn't think about keeping the remote away from the water.
So when he saw a wave coming he was just like "oh it's just water, no need to dodge that."
That would be a pretty stupid thing to do in a fight and somehow 18 thought Goku was going to do this?:P This thing is full of holes.
Part of Z Warriors:
- Wanna-be assassin (Tenshinhan)
- Son of Demon King (Piccolo)
- Planet destroyer battle loving maniac (Vegeta)
All of them tried to kill Goku, so don't worry #18, you guys fit perfectly
My Twitter: @kamil198811
Bulma fan
Thanks to Discotek:
Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas get DVD release in 2015
Uh what again? #16 main objective is to kill Son Goku, but yet he seems fine with letting everyone go? One thing is to advice 17/18 to not go kill innocent people, but their goal is to kill Goku and they not even focusing on that.
Also who #18 killed anyway? Man, this special writing is worse than the actual arc.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
jeffbr92 wrote:Uh what again? #16 main objective is to kill Son Goku, but yet he seems fine with letting everyone go? One thing is to advice 17/18 to not go kill innocent people, but their goal is to kill Goku and they not even focusing on that.
He hasn't said anything about letting them go though, or about not wanting to kill Goku. He's just trying to prevent 17 and 18 from killing other innocents, something I would see fitting with 16's nature.
Also who #18 killed anyway? Man, this special writing is worse than the actual arc.
She says 'almost killed', which would basically cover all of them from earlier in the arc, when she definitely almost did in Vegeta.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I mean, I'm all for some good Multiverse special-bashing, but if we're gonna complain about sloppy writing, let's at least be cognizant of our own.
Thanks man, I didn't realize that the way I wrote my post was incomprehensible until your correction.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.