So,
SSG > less than 1/10th of SSB
SSG > 0.1*SSB
10*SSG > SSB
Then if you want to simplify this relationship further, one can assume, SSB <= 10*SSG or SSB = 10*SSB, so if you're saying my math is wrong because I used >= instead of <=, I guess I can buy that. So yes, if you don't want to simplify and generalize, and only go by facts then:
SSB < 10*SSG.
Kenneth La Torre wrote:
I disagree, SSB Evolution is something more than CSSB. CSSB is just ssb at 100 power as stated many times in the manga. Toppo was able to catch a CSSB goku off guard, and if toppo is to get god of destruction status, they definitely need something more than MSSB.
But we can agree to disagree, cause I'm not changing my mind on this topic till i get proven wrong by the manga (thats if).
I agree that toyotaro is doing a great job with the manga. Lets hope he keeps going strong.
One scene in the manga has already shown in the latest chapter to be the anime counterpart:
Source: Chapter 35, Page 16
Source: Episode 109, 16:45-17:15
Basically, the scene in the anime where Goku is using SSB + Kaioken x20 was shown in the manga as MSSB Goku. I'm pretty sure in the subsequent chapters, we will see both MSSB Goku and Vegeta fighting Jiren, which will be the exact scene in the anime where SSBE Vegeta and SSB+Kaioken x20 Goku fights Jiren.
The manga didn't use Kaioken as a stacker which allowed Vegeta to compete with Goku and obtain the same transformation. In the anime, SSBE had to be created for Vegeta to have something that would be equal to Goku's Kaioken x 20. Additionally, there is nowhere in the manga that states MSSB = 100x SSB. If there, please show me. The manga rather states that SSB >= 10xSSG.
Again, agree to disagree, cause i wont change my mind till the manga proves me wrong (if it does)
ToshioWrites wrote:[spoiler]17 takes out Botamo. Gamisaras takes out 18 the Magical girls, Murichim and Jilcol[/spoiler]
This is just terrible. I am glad U4 s getting some eliminations but why 18 and the Magical Girls? They set up a fight between Ribrianne and 18 in chapter 33 and now they will both get eliminated by Gamisaras before they could even finish their fight? What was even the point of putting Ribrianne in the manga cover if she will be this irrelevant in the manga? Ffs we won't even see any 17 and 18 team-ups. Now I know how Krillin and Tien fans felt when they saw chapter 34.
ToshioWrites wrote:[spoiler]17 takes out Botamo. Gamisaras takes out 18 the Magical girls, Murichim and Jilcol[/spoiler]
This is just terrible. I am glad U4 s getting some eliminations but why 18 and the Magical Girls? They set up a fight between Ribrianne and 18 in chapter 33 and now they will both get eliminated by Gamisaras before they could even finish their fight? What was even the point of putting Ribrianne in the manga cover if she will be this irrelevant in the manga? Ffs we won't even see any 17 and 18 team-ups. Now I know how Krillin and Tien fans felt when they saw chapter 34.
Please wait to read the chapter before these type of reactions. We don't need this thread locked up again.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I'll wait for pages, but at least it sounds like Universe 4 is getting some hits in.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
I didn’t particularly mind Kuririn and Tenshinhan getting eliminated considering how much they did over the course of the original series, but it seems like 18 is getting knocked out without doing too much which is disappointing.
It may be too early of me to ask this since the chapter isn't even out..
But am I really the only one who enjoys how unpredictable Toyotaro is with this arc?
I am so happy to know events are not happening the same like in the Anime. Why do we need to see the same fights for a second time? I'd be so bored out of my mind. I want something fresh.
I'm even more happy that the elimination order has changed. I told you so to everyone who thought it was going to remain the same! This gives us a new chance to enjoy a much more different take on the Tournament of Power.
My only problem with this current chapter based on what we're hearing is the pacing. Now I understand everyone's complaints over this arc being a tad too fast. Toyotaro is quick to get rid of characters for some reason. Hopefully they have proper send offs instead of being one-shotted off the stage with a simple punch like Krillin and Tenshinhan. I'm crossing my fingers to see whether or not Toyotaro is stepping up his choreography and story boarding.
Besides the pacing, this chapter is kind of getting me excited. I'm annoyed at how others are so quick to jump to conclusions because some of their favorites get eliminated before other characters. Apparently your favorite character not doing what YOU want them to do makes Toyotaro a shitty mangaka (according to the NForums).
Exline wrote:It may be too early of me to ask this since the chapter isn't even out..
But am I really the only one who enjoys how unpredictable Toyotaro is with this arc?
I am so happy to know events are not happening the same like in the Anime. Why do we need to see the same fights for a second time? I'd be so bored out of my mind. I want something fresh.
I'm even more happy that the elimination order has changed. I told you so to everyone who thought it was going to remain the same! This gives us a new chance to enjoy a much more different take on the Tournament of Power.
My only problem with this current chapter based on what we're hearing is the pacing. Now I understand everyone's complaints over this arc being a tad too fast. Toyotaro is quick to get rid of characters for some reason. Hopefully they have proper send offs instead of being one-shotted off the stage with a simple punch like Krillin and Tenshinhan. I'm crossing my fingers to see whether or not Toyotaro is stepping up his choreography and story boarding.
Besides the pacing, this chapter is kind of getting me excited. I'm annoyed at how others are so quick to jump to conclusions because some of their favorites get eliminated before other characters. Apparently your favorite character not doing what YOU want them to do makes Toyotaro a shitty mangaka (according to the NForums).
People in general care about the characters more than anything else that's why.
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