"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TKA]

I think the dichotomy created was more that Goku had gotten to the level of strength he has currently through constant competitivness and rivalry with those around him, as well as with his enemies, in contrast to Jiren, who got to his level of strength in solitude.

This makes way more sense.

[ankokudaishogun]

Goku not a "gimmick fighter"? Genkidama, Super Saiyan and Kaiohken are all gimmicks increasing his power!
Especially Genkidama, which uses the power of others, and Super Saiyan, which is a transformation randomly giving a 50x minimum boost.

Not to say they are not totally valid, legit and fair ways to fight, but that doesn't make them less gimmick.
Don't we always talk about Goku's "base power" and "multipliers"?

[WittyUsername]

Given how powerful the manga is making Kale out to be, I’m curious if Kefla is still going to be a thing.

[Omniboy]

Given how powerful the manga is making Kale out to be, I’m curious if Kefla is still going to be a thing.

Is she any stronger than her anime version so far? At this point Kefla seems like a possibility still.

[FlpShimizu]

Given how powerful the manga is making Kale out to be, I’m curious if Kefla is still going to be a thing.

Is she any stronger than her anime version so far? At this point Kefla seems like a possibility still.

Not really, she just surprised Golden Freeza instead of SSB Goku. I think Kefla will be a thing here too.

[WittyUsername]

Given how powerful the manga is making Kale out to be, I’m curious if Kefla is still going to be a thing.

Is she any stronger than her anime version so far? At this point Kefla seems like a possibility still.

The anime was inconsistent with her strength, but when she and Caulifla teamed up against Goku, Goku’s SSJG form was enough to give them a hard time.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Goku not a "gimmick fighter"? Genkidama, Super Saiyan and Kaiohken are all gimmicks increasing his power!
Especially Genkidama, which uses the power of others, and Super Saiyan, which is a transformation randomly giving a 50x minimum boost.

Not to say they are not totally valid, legit and fair ways to fight, but that doesn't make them less gimmick.
Don't we always talk about Goku's "base power" and "multipliers"?

Super Saiyan is not a gimmick. He worked hard to achieve it, and it's all thanks to his own strenght, not like the Genkidama.

[Marlowe89]

Is she any stronger than her anime version so far?

Not really, no. Freeza implied he wasn't taking her seriously, and even if she does turn out to be capable of giving Blue-level fighters a tough time, that wouldn't be much different from what was pretty clearly shown during Episode 100.

It's possible that the unstable nature of her berserker state makes her strength fluctuate, but the anime also tends to be wildly inconsistent with a lot of things.

[Miracles]

This isn't true at all. In the beginning of Z Piccolo mentioned how there is more to fighting than strength. Just because Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon was strong enough to kill Radditz doesn't mean that he's stronger. Ultra instinct lies in a grey area between gimmicks and true strength.

But Ultra Instinct makes Goku stronger. UI won't mean a thing if the power level isn't up to par with the opponent. Tien notes this the first time Goku transforms into UI. Also, Piccolo's battle power was higher than Radditz when he used Makonsosoppo. In DB it's always about real strength hence why Hit is made fun of by Belmound, calling his time skip "juvenile" and Hit even noting that he trained his body to have "real strength" instead of relying on a technique like Time skip which doesn't work on people with higher Ki levels.

BTW, the anime pointed out Goku got stronger by the fighting rivalry he had with those around him. Like Roshi, Krillin, Piccolo etc. The show also mentions how even his enemies in combat made him stronger and eventually became his friend. In this context it pointed out that Goku got stronger with the help of others.

[DestructoDisc]

Something tells me that Toyotaro will surprise us all and instead of Kefla we will get Cabfla (Cabba and Caulifla fusion)

[Simere]

Goku not a "gimmick fighter"? Genkidama, Super Saiyan and Kaiohken are all gimmicks increasing his power!
Especially Genkidama, which uses the power of others, and Super Saiyan, which is a transformation randomly giving a 50x minimum boost.

Not to say they are not totally valid, legit and fair ways to fight, but that doesn't make them less gimmick.
Don't we always talk about Goku's "base power" and "multipliers"?

A gimmick is a fundamentally flawed tactic that mainly works because your opponent doesn't know how to counter it or doesn't expect it, usually because they've never seen it before; once the weakness of the gimmick is figured out, which is usually after seeing it just once or twice, it loses most of its effectiveness. Tenshinhan's multi form is a gimmick. Piccolo's giant form is a gimmick. Of the techniques you listed, only unmastered levels of Kaio-ken could arguably be said to be a gimmick.

[prince212]

Something tells me that Toyotaro will surprise us all and instead of Kefla we will get Cabfla (Cabba and Caulifla fusion)

Fufff , a fusion of male-female will be hard to digest ... I’m ok with no fusion , doesn’t fit with saiyans pride and doesn’t fit with the tournament principles, it’s kinda an item weapon or external action ..

[Vegeta_Sama]

Something tells me that Toyotaro will surprise us all and instead of Kefla we will get Cabfla (Cabba and Caulifla fusion)

Fufff , a fusion of male-female will be hard to digest ... I’m ok with no fusion , doesn’t fit with saiyans pride and doesn’t fit with the tournament principles, it’s kinda an item weapon or external action ..

Lol, I'm wondering, would the fusion technically be an hermaphrodite?

[jeffbr92]

Given how powerful the manga is making Kale out to be, I’m curious if Kefla is still going to be a thing.

She probably will be the first to cause any damage to Jiren.

[Bergamo]

Given how powerful the manga is making Kale out to be, I’m curious if Kefla is still going to be a thing.

She probably will be the first to cause any damage to Jiren.

Hit landed a blow on Jiren, and it looked like it hurt. It wasn't lasting damage, but it was probably about as painful as what UI Omen did to Jiren in the anime.

[LightBing]

I checked if the Kaioshin from Universe 6 had his potaras in the manga. He has them(appears to have them at least). Not worth a lot since it's one of those shots without detail but I can definitely see two little bumps.

I really like Kefla design in the anime, her personality is basically Caulifla and I like the later so..., but I don't want another potara fusion just to create a powerful warrior while opressing two potentially interesting characters. If it's in fine, if it's not I won't mind at all.

[prince212]

I checked if the Kaioshin from Universe 6 had his potaras in the manga. He has them(appears to have them at least). Not worth a lot since it's one of those shots without detail but I can definitely see two little bumps.

I really like Kefla design in the anime, her personality is basically Caulifla and I like the later so..., but I don't want another potara fusion just to create a powerful warrior while opressing two potentially interesting characters. If it's in fine, if it's not I won't mind at all.

[spoiler][/spoiler]
In the last chapter u6 Kaio seems not to be wearing them ... but in ch.33 he appears to do .. it’s confusing , but this panel that I attached looks clear enough.. we’ll see next chapter for sure .

[LightBing]

I checked if the Kaioshin from Universe 6 had his potaras in the manga. He has them(appears to have them at least). Not worth a lot since it's one of those shots without detail but I can definitely see two little bumps.

I really like Kefla design in the anime, her personality is basically Caulifla and I like the later so..., but I don't want another potara fusion just to create a powerful warrior while opressing two potentially interesting characters. If it's in fine, if it's not I won't mind at all.

[spoiler][/spoiler]
In the last chapter u6 Kaio seems not to be wearing them ... but in ch.33 he appears to do .. it’s confusing , but this panel that I attached looks clear enough.. we’ll see next chapter for sure .

Good find I missed that one. Now I'm more inclined believing Kefla is coming,

[WittyUsername]

I checked if the Kaioshin from Universe 6 had his potaras in the manga. He has them(appears to have them at least). Not worth a lot since it's one of those shots without detail but I can definitely see two little bumps.

I really like Kefla design in the anime, her personality is basically Caulifla and I like the later so..., but I don't want another potara fusion just to create a powerful warrior while opressing two potentially interesting characters. If it's in fine, if it's not I won't mind at all.

[spoiler][/spoiler]
In the last chapter u6 Kaio seems not to be wearing them ... but in ch.33 he appears to do .. it’s confusing , but this panel that I attached looks clear enough.. we’ll see next chapter for sure .

Good find I missed that one. Now I'm more inclined believing Kefla is coming,

If she is coming, it seems like they might’ve overpowered Kale a bit. It wouldn’t be a big deal if they were intended to be the main obstacles of this arc, but that’s not supposed to be the case. It just seems like they could risk making Jiren seem less like a particularly huge deal.

[Robo4900]

I really don't care either way whether anyone fuses tbh. The novelty of the first male+female fusion sounds mildly curious, but I'm more interested in how the story would lead up to such an event, and what it would mean for the tournament.

I only just now read chapters 36 and 37. Fun chapters. Shame to see Piccolo knocked out so soon, but nice to see that the stuff with Ribrianne isn't being massively dragged out far beyond its actual scope.

The stuff with Kale is really cool. Nice that they didn't just give the game away completely before the tournament started, it's all saved as a surprise until now. And the way it's working is pretty neat.