Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[1345521]

I was mulling over that recent interview with the movie's producer and the other statements we've had about the movie's development and I might have an idea why SSBE, SSBKK and UI have been no-shows so far. I didn't post it in that thread because I plan to talk about other aspects of the plot.

I don't think it has anything to do with 'canon' or Toriyama 'fixing' the plot or any of that jazz. It has to do with the fact that the movie was written and in development while the Universe Survival arc was still in production. Toriyama finished the story around April 2017 and Toei got it around June, which is when they started doing character designs and the like up until October. IIRC, it's about a 5 month turnaround between scripting and airing for a Super episode, so when Toriyama finished up the story, Toei's writers would have been working on the episodes for September and possibly the October special where Omen debuted. SSBE appeared in January, which means the episode was written somewhere around August while work on the movie was underway.

I think the movie is being made as a 'broad strokes' sequel because of that to step on a few toes as possible. Goku mentioned the Tournament of Power in the preview, but I don't think the movie will directly mention or build upon any specific moments from the Tournament besides what Toriyama had in his outline. Like Goku might mention fighting Jiren or getting Ultra Instinct but the movie won't go into further detail since neither the anime or manga had worked through that plot while the story was being written. Toyotaro did designs for the arc but his personal chapter work on the manga doesn't seem to extend more than a month or two beyond the current published chapter.

SSBE seems to have been a late addition for the anime and the dark blue version even more so. I get that impression from the merch. The only thing it had shortly after release was the Heroes card which was colored like Yamamuro's character sheet instead of the on-air version. Something similar happened with SS2 Caulifla's first Dokkan card which didn't have the right hair and her attack was a basic blue ki blast instead of a proper red one.

I think what they'll do is just acknowledge that there is something beyond Blue but quickly handwave an excuse as to why it's not being used vs restructuring the story to account for it. It's a quick and easy way to smooth out continuity issues. 131 already made the excuse for UI. Then when Toei puts Dragon Ball Super Duper on air they can re-adapt the story as the Legendary Super Saiyan Broly arc and adjust accordingly to fit their previous continuity. There's no way Toei or Shueisha will miss the chance to double dip for Broly Bucks.

Toriyama mentioned that the manga will be different, and part of that might be because Toyotaro can just launch right into his own version of the Broly arc without needing to skirt around things like that.

What do you guys think?

Yeah, I mean thtat's what I have always thought. It has more to do when the movie is being createdwhen evolution wasn't a thing.. BUT KAIOKEN though...why is it not anywhere? evolution...sure..but no kaioken? Idk....something is fishy here.
Yeah, do you think he meant the Broly movie and ToP arc or just the ToP arc? As I've always stated, this movie has a lot more going for it then what meets the eye.
YEEEES, that's what i've been saying.
Movie continuty (which is just the coniantuion of akiras plotlines for each arc)
Manga cotninatutiy
Anime continuty
That's what I think is going on for this movie.

"Toyotaro did designs for the arc but his personal chapter work on the manga doesn't seem to extend more than a month or two beyond the current published chapter."
Why do you say that?
"I think what they'll do is just acknowledge that there is something beyond Blue but quickly handwave an excuse as to why it's not being used vs restructuring the story to account for it. It's a quick and easy way to smooth out continuity issues. 131 already made the excuse for UI. Then when Toei puts Dragon Ball Super Duper on air they can re-adapt the story as the Legendary Super Saiyan Broly arc and adjust accordingly to fit their previous continuity. There's no way Toei or Shueisha will miss the chance to double dip for Broly Bucks. "
Do you really think toei will give much of an sqaut about continuty issues in this movie? we have shintani as well as a new director that's differnt from the tv show, as well as maybe new writers and storyboarders....I don't think they'll go out of their way to try and be consitent with the TV show but rather just do what akiras wishes are.
And if "dragon ball super duper" comes, I hope they just adapt the dbs manga version of things.

[emperior]

And if "dragon ball super duper" comes, I hope they just adapt the dbs manga version of things.

If you really believe they will adapt the manga DBS anytime soon, you are in for being deluded. I'm sorry to tell you, but there's no way they will actually base Super off the manga, unless Toriyama starts drawing it himself.

[1345521]

I was mulling over that recent interview with the movie's producer and the other statements we've had about the movie's development and I might have an idea why SSBE, SSBKK and UI have been no-shows so far. I didn't post it in that thread because I plan to talk about other aspects of the plot.

I don't think it has anything to do with 'canon' or Toriyama 'fixing' the plot or any of that jazz. It has to do with the fact that the movie was written and in development while the Universe Survival arc was still in production. Toriyama finished the story around April 2017 and Toei got it around June, which is when they started doing character designs and the like up until October. IIRC, it's about a 5 month turnaround between scripting and airing for a Super episode, so when Toriyama finished up the story, Toei's writers would have been working on the episodes for September and possibly the October special where Omen debuted. SSBE appeared in January, which means the episode was written somewhere around August while work on the movie was underway.

I think the movie is being made as a 'broad strokes' sequel because of that to step on a few toes as possible. Goku mentioned the Tournament of Power in the preview, but I don't think the movie will directly mention or build upon any specific moments from the Tournament besides what Toriyama had in his outline. Like Goku might mention fighting Jiren or getting Ultra Instinct but the movie won't go into further detail since neither the anime or manga had worked through that plot while the story was being written. Toyotaro did designs for the arc but his personal chapter work on the manga doesn't seem to extend more than a month or two beyond the current published chapter.

SSBE seems to have been a late addition for the anime and the dark blue version even more so. I get that impression from the merch. The only thing it had shortly after release was the Heroes card which was colored like Yamamuro's character sheet instead of the on-air version. Something similar happened with SS2 Caulifla's first Dokkan card which didn't have the right hair and her attack was a basic blue ki blast instead of a proper red one.

I think what they'll do is just acknowledge that there is something beyond Blue but quickly handwave an excuse as to why it's not being used vs restructuring the story to account for it. It's a quick and easy way to smooth out continuity issues. 131 already made the excuse for UI. Then when Toei puts Dragon Ball Super Duper on air they can re-adapt the story as the Legendary Super Saiyan Broly arc and adjust accordingly to fit their previous continuity. There's no way Toei or Shueisha will miss the chance to double dip for Broly Bucks.

Toriyama mentioned that the manga will be different, and part of that might be because Toyotaro can just launch right into his own version of the Broly arc without needing to skirt around things like that.

What do you guys think?

You may be right, although I believe the whole US arc finished script was completed way before Toriyama completed his movie script.
Unless SSBE was indeed a last minute decision, I doubt they didn't have a general plotline (which isn't Toriyama's outline, but Toei's expanded version of it) written down before February, which is when the arc started. And Kaioken always played a part, ever since episode 81, so I also believe it's fair to assume that at least Kaioken will appear in the film.
I also see no reason why they wouldn't have to include Blue Evolution and Kaioken. As long as they don't alter the plot, they should have an easy time fitting them into the story.

It depends...so if like akira toriyama thinks kaioken and evolution are garbage forms and dosen't like them and insist they be not in HIS MOVIE...then they wont be. Remember, even thugh this is a toei production, it's made by akira and toei cant deviate to much like it seems they could in the anime. So it's not entirly what toei wants here... so we have to wait and see. I wonder how akira is going to change broly\s character.

"If you really believe they will adapt the manga DBS anytime soon, you are in for being deluded. I'm sorry to tell you, but there's no way they will actually base Super off the manga, unless Toriyama starts drawing it himself."
Hmph, I'm already getting in trouble for talking to much about the dbs manga, I even got a warning for bad behavior by the cheif, here. So I won't respond to much to your comment. All I can say is, We'll see about that

[Noah]

If you really believe they will adapt the manga DBS anytime soon, you are in for being deluded. I'm sorry to tell you, but there's no way they will actually base Super off the manga, unless Toriyama starts drawing it himself.

My thoughts exactly, the manga is just a promotional product that had a increase of popularity in the last two arcs. Also I would love to see Toriyama drawing a manga again.

[BlueBasilisk]

You may be right, although I believe the whole US arc finished script was completed way before Toriyama completed his movie script.
Unless SSBE was indeed a last minute decision, I doubt they didn't have a general plotline (which isn't Toriyama's outline, but Toei's expanded version of it) written down before February, which is when the arc started. And Kaioken always played a part, ever since episode 81, so I also believe it's fair to assume that at least Kaioken will appear in the film. Considering how it's also an important technique in Super.
I also see no reason why they wouldn't have to include Blue Evolution and Kaioken. As long as they don't alter the plot, they should have an easy time fitting them into the story.

Oh, I'm not saying they won't appear in the film. It's entirely possible that they will, especially Kaioken since it's been a thing ever since the U6 arc. Personally I hope they do. And I doubt that the character sheets for the movie have shown us all the stuff it has to offer. Plus it's not like Toriyama isn't using a Toei-original idea as the basis for the story... But I can't shake the feeling that we might just see plain old hum drum Super Saiyan Blue as it's been presented since RoF with none of the three variant forms. Which really would be rather weird since the anime and manga both have Goku and Vegeta a step above Blue.

The outline was surely done beforehand, yeah. I was talking about the individual episode scripts. We know those were being written while the arc was going thanks to Toshio tweeting about it.

[Shaddy]

Toriyama doesn't want to draw a big dumb Dragon Ball series again, that much is obvious. The only way for Toyotaro and his manga to have an impact on anything other than himself and his manga is for it to be so overwhelmingly popular and so qualitatively above both the anime and Tori's own expectations that he's personally approached or recommended as a writer.

And uh, it's pretty clearly not going that way. Even if you like the manga, it's obvious Toyo is struggling massively with getting through this arc, and it's not certain that things are going to get much better. Claiming that they should or god-forbid will start following him after the massive amounts of money, success and money Super has made on it's own is beyond delusional, it's just crazy.

[Mister_Popo]

If i'm not mistaken, I think he sees two continuities: DBZ / GT and DB Kai / DBS.
Of course we all know the official anime continuation is DB / DBZ - DB Kai (the same without filler) / DBS

GT till now has no place in the anime continuity. But it's his way to keep it a part of the continuity, in his head, purely based on subjective reasons.

He doesn't like Super. But there are threads enough 'do we like DBS or not?' to discuss the quality. Why does this need to be adressed here in the Broly movie thread?

GT is a continuation of Z. It's not a canon continuation, but a continuation nonetheless.

Exactly.

Nope, it's rectonned, it's no longer meant to be DBZ's continuation.
In a different dimension maybe, but that's headcanon-domain.

[1345521]

You may be right, although I believe the whole US arc finished script was completed way before Toriyama completed his movie script.
Unless SSBE was indeed a last minute decision, I doubt they didn't have a general plotline (which isn't Toriyama's outline, but Toei's expanded version of it) written down before February, which is when the arc started. And Kaioken always played a part, ever since episode 81, so I also believe it's fair to assume that at least Kaioken will appear in the film. Considering how it's also an important technique in Super.
I also see no reason why they wouldn't have to include Blue Evolution and Kaioken. As long as they don't alter the plot, they should have an easy time fitting them into the story.

Oh, I'm not saying they won't appear in the film. It's entirely possible that they will, especially Kaioken since it's been a thing ever since the U6 arc. And I doubt that the character sheets for the movie have shown us all the stuff it has to offer. And it's not like Toriyama isn't using a Toei-original idea as the basis for the story... But I can't shake the feeling that we might just see plain old hum drum Super Saiyan Blue as it's been presented since RoF with none of the three variant forms. Which really would be rather weird since the anime and manga both have Goku and Vegeta a step above Blue.

The outline was surely done beforehand, yeah. I was talking about the individual episode scripts. We know those were being written while the arc was going thanks to Toshio tweeting about it. As

Well...that was pre modern toei...when their work was actually like GOAT-material.
It's possible, we don't even have the golden freeza sheets, so yeah they porbably have more.
Thas inncorrect. The manga has no form that's a step above "blue". mssj is still blue. But like an Full power Maxed out ssj blue that's always in constant use. Before, we all kinda thought ssj blue is 50x ssj god...but I guess it wasn't so. The form leaked out so much power that it could never actaully reach the apex threshold of ssj blue. It could explain why the anime never confirmed it was 50x ssj god. So in my headcanon, ssj blue is only like 5x stronger then ssj god. But when goku and vegeta mastered it in the manga, they used the full potential of blue. Which I think makes sense, because it would be toyotaro's variant of kaioken x 10. SSJ blue kaioken x 10 = mssj blue.
And I feel that toriyama will find mssj blue much more easier and simplier to introduce into the movie then kaioken and evolution. Hm... geekdom also made a video about broly being some type of demon sayain which was theroized by cabba and kale in ToP. Do you think that will play out in the movie? broly is going to be an demon sayain?

[Bergamo]

GT is a continuation of Z. It's not a canon continuation, but a continuation nonetheless.

Exactly.

Nope, it's rectonned, it's no longer meant to be DBZ's continuation.
In a different dimension maybe, but that's headcanon-domain.

There's no need to be semantic. DBGT is a series that follows DBZ. It's not canon, and it's outdated, but don't act like GT never happened.

[BlueBasilisk]

Well...that was pre modern toei...when their work was actually like GOAT-material.
It's possible, we don't even have the golden freeza sheets, so yeah they porbably have more.
Thas inncorrect. The manga has no form that's a step above "blue". mssj is still blue. But like an Full power Maxed out ssj blue that's always in constant use. Before, we all kinda thought ssj blue is 50x ssj god...but I guess it wasn't so. The form leaked out so much power that it could never actaully reach the apex threshold of ssj blue. It could explain why the anime never confirmed it was 50x ssj god. So in my headcanon, ssj blue is only like 5x stronger then ssj god. But when goku and vegeta mastered it in the manga, they used the full potential of blue. Which I think makes sense, because it would be toyotaro's variant of kaioken x 10. SSJ blue kaioken x 10 = mssj blue.
And I feel that toriyama will find mssj blue much more easier and simplier to introduce into the movie then kaioken and evolution. Hm... geekdom also made a video about broly being some type of demon sayain which was theroized by cabba and kale in ToP. Do you think that will play out in the movie? broly is going to be an demon sayain?

MSSB is basically so that's why I count it as one. It's way beyond normal SSB, is difficult to use, and it's drawn differently. It's really the same as Kaioken. Even has a similar drawback. As for the bold, yes, I think a connection to Broly is the exact reason Toyotaro included that line in the first place.

There's no need to be semantic. DBGT is a series that follows DBZ. It's not canon, and it's outdated, but don't act like GT never happened.

For what it's worth I put GT into the same "dimension" or what have you as Cooler's Revenge since he makes a cameo.

[Mister_Popo]

Well...that was pre modern toei...when their work was actually like GOAT-material.
It's possible, we don't even have the golden freeza sheets, so yeah they porbably have more.
Thas inncorrect. The manga has no form that's a step above "blue". mssj is still blue. But like an Full power Maxed out ssj blue that's always in constant use. Before, we all kinda thought ssj blue is 50x ssj god...but I guess it wasn't so. The form leaked out so much power that it could never actaully reach the apex threshold of ssj blue. It could explain why the anime never confirmed it was 50x ssj god. So in my headcanon, ssj blue is only like 5x stronger then ssj god. But when goku and vegeta mastered it in the manga, they used the full potential of blue. Which I think makes sense, because it would be toyotaro's variant of kaioken x 10. SSJ blue kaioken x 10 = mssj blue.
And I feel that toriyama will find mssj blue much more easier and simplier to introduce into the movie then kaioken and evolution. Hm... geekdom also made a video about broly being some type of demon sayain which was theroized by cabba and kale in ToP. Do you think that will play out in the movie? broly is going to be an demon sayain?

MSSB is basically so that's why I count it as one. It's way beyond normal SSB, is difficult to use, and it's drawn differently. It's really the same as Kaioken. Even has a similar drawback. As for the bold, yes, I think a connection to Broly is the exact reason Toyotaro included that line in the first place.

There's no need to be semantic. DBGT is a series that follows DBZ. It's not canon, and it's outdated, but don't act like GT never happened.

For what it's worth I put GT into the same "dimension" or what have you as Cooler's Revenge since he makes a cameo.

I share Toriyama's opinion it's a cool sidestory. It's true canon was never strictly defined, but it's not main storyline, it's a dead end street.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

You may be right, although I believe the whole US arc finished script was completed way before Toriyama completed his movie script.
Unless SSBE was indeed a last minute decision, I doubt they didn't have a general plotline (which isn't Toriyama's outline, but Toei's expanded version of it) written down before February, which is when the arc started. And Kaioken always played a part, ever since episode 81, so I also believe it's fair to assume that at least Kaioken will appear in the film. Considering how it's also an important technique in Super.
I also see no reason why they wouldn't have to include Blue Evolution and Kaioken. As long as they don't alter the plot, they should have an easy time fitting them into the story.

Oh, I'm not saying they won't appear in the film. It's entirely possible that they will, especially Kaioken since it's been a thing ever since the U6 arc. Personally I hope they do. And I doubt that the character sheets for the movie have shown us all the stuff it has to offer. Plus it's not like Toriyama isn't using a Toei-original idea as the basis for the story... But I can't shake the feeling that we might just see plain old hum drum Super Saiyan Blue as it's been presented since RoF with none of the three variant forms. Which really would be rather weird since the anime and manga both have Goku and Vegeta a step above Blue.

The outline was surely done beforehand, yeah. I was talking about the individual episode scripts. We know those were being written while the arc was going thanks to Toshio tweeting about it.

Also have to remember Nagamine was a series director for the U.S arc too. Freeza is alive post ToP and this movie is following exactly on from that. Kaioken presumably doesn't need any sheets since it's just a fancy aura change essentially. It can and probably will still appear but perhaps more as a trump card.

Stock SSGSS is facing off and looks to be struggling against Anger Broly & he still had 2 forms on top of that... No way Goku is gonna stay stock SSGSS.

[BlueBasilisk]

Also have to remember Nagamine was a series director for the U.S arc too. Freeza is alive post ToP and this movie is following exactly on from that. Kaioken presumably doesn't need any sheets since it's just a fancy aura change essentially. It can and probably will still appear but perhaps more as a trump card.

Stock SSGSS is facing off and looks to be struggling against Anger Broly & he still had 2 forms on top of that... No way Goku is gonna stay stock SSGSS.

You know, in all the chatter over Toriyama and Shintani I forgot all about Nagamine. Poor guy. You are right though. Goku looked like he was getting his shit kicked by Super Saiyan Broly at the end of the teaser so he has to have something against Broly Verde.

[1345521]

Toriyama doesn't want to draw a big dumb Dragon Ball series again, that much is obvious. The only way for Toyotaro and his manga to have an impact on anything other than himself and his manga is for it to be so overwhelmingly popular and so qualitatively above both the anime and Tori's own expectations that he's personally approached or recommended as a writer.

And uh, it's pretty clearly not going that way. Even if you like the manga, it's obvious Toyo is struggling massively with getting through this arc, and it's not certain that things are going to get much better. Claiming that they should or god-forbid will start following him after the massive amounts of money, success and money Super has made on it's own is beyond delusional, it's just crazy.

Okay, can you answer me this: Why is ssj god vegeta in movie while having no sign of kaioken and evolution....?
You do realize akira spoken publically of how much he prefers toyotaro manga over the anime? He even said he WISHED (This was like in 2016 before toyotaro even got popular or his manga got even that good) toei would adapt his manga to keep them "on track".
Akira has never once gone publicly and said he likes toei super or even complemeneted the toei staff on super publicaly.
and toyotaro is an writer, he's the WRITER for the manga. you're acting like someone tells toyo what to do and he just draws it. Lol, he is just given a plot outline and has to find a way to build an arc from it.
I don't think he's struggling THAT much to get through this arc, this manga arc is fine but you can come to the manga forum if you want to debate about it. since I dont want to get in trouble again.
SSJ GOD vegeta is in the movie, NO KAIOKEN OR EVOLUTION. It's step one, and plus if the manga surpasses the movie (which will probably be in about a year depending on how long the manga broly arc is), that'll seal it.
You're acting like toei wouldn't have gotten all of those exbhorbant amount of dollars if they adapted the manga, lol. And you're also actig as if toei has this grudge,uncertaintiy,pessism, or lack of respect when it comes to toyotaro.
The only reason toei went ahead is because toyo was an baby mangaka when super first aired, plus the manga only came out an month before the anime, so it wasn't expdient to take their chances with toyotaro and verbatum adapt his manga. And even when toyotaro skipped RoF and jumped ahead, toei did adapt some of his artwork into the show. Like when piccolo figured out why goku and vegeta have bulma and chi chi as their wife or goku and vegeta being in the HTC. Adapts of the manga. But anyway, toei aired on a child timeslot, so it would be diffuclt for them to adapt a lot of the things in the manga anyway since its content is suitable for their television adueicnce and since they were already ahead, no point of adding tons of filler so you can adapt some manga in which you wont be able to adapt well since you have to cut out a lot of stuff just to adapt it.
If toei comes back, with the manga being an entire ARC ahead. Plus toei gets put into an television timeslot of like wendsay nights in the evning. You REALLY THINK TOEI is going to cross their arms and say "I'm not adaptinng his work because muh PRIDE"? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Toei WILL POUNCE On the oppertunity and adapt it. Becuase A.
It's EASIER
B.
The quality of production is usally better when animes adapt manga: FACTS.
Bleach
One peice
Naurto
nARUTO SHIPIDEN
Brouto
One punch man
Hero acdemia
Dragon ball
Dragon ball Z
7 DEADLY SINS
ATTACK ON TIATIONS
full metal alcehmist
Hunter X hunter

ALL ADAPT MANGA, cause it's easier on the animation team and usally the work is MUCH better. Super didn't because IMO the timeslots, the uncertaintiy of toyotaro at that time, and becuase how far ahead it is. Nothing ill willed against toyo. And akira likes toyo as shown.

THIS Broly movie seems to be incorpting some ideas that were in the manga but not in the tv show, now again. It' really comes down to if akioken and evolution will be in the movie. So if this broly movi DOSEN'T HAVE THEM, and toei comes back and gets itself into a better and mature timeslot of where they can adapt manga and toyotaro manga is far ahead of the anime... There's a LIKELY chance they are going to adapt the manga. Very likely chance, because when they were behind the manga during like pre universe 6 arc, they used some panels from the manga. But it just depends on the future of this broly movie really.

[Cetra]

I wonder, what if Super Saiyajin Broly (who seems not to have any pupils as well) was made based on Super Saiyajin Ikari? So maybe that one is not an ordinary SSJ, but Ikari and then next is Densetsu.

[1345521]

You may be right, although I believe the whole US arc finished script was completed way before Toriyama completed his movie script.
Unless SSBE was indeed a last minute decision, I doubt they didn't have a general plotline (which isn't Toriyama's outline, but Toei's expanded version of it) written down before February, which is when the arc started. And Kaioken always played a part, ever since episode 81, so I also believe it's fair to assume that at least Kaioken will appear in the film. Considering how it's also an important technique in Super.
I also see no reason why they wouldn't have to include Blue Evolution and Kaioken. As long as they don't alter the plot, they should have an easy time fitting them into the story.

Oh, I'm not saying they won't appear in the film. It's entirely possible that they will, especially Kaioken since it's been a thing ever since the U6 arc. Personally I hope they do. And I doubt that the character sheets for the movie have shown us all the stuff it has to offer. Plus it's not like Toriyama isn't using a Toei-original idea as the basis for the story... But I can't shake the feeling that we might just see plain old hum drum Super Saiyan Blue as it's been presented since RoF with none of the three variant forms. Which really would be rather weird since the anime and manga both have Goku and Vegeta a step above Blue.

The outline was surely done beforehand, yeah. I was talking about the individual episode scripts. We know those were being written while the arc was going thanks to Toshio tweeting about it.

Also have to remember Nagamine was a series director for the U.S arc too. Freeza is alive post ToP and this movie is following exactly on from that. Kaioken presumably doesn't need any sheets since it's just a fancy aura change essentially. It can and probably will still appear but perhaps more as a trump card.

Stock SSGSS is facing off and looks to be struggling against Anger Broly & he still had 2 forms on top of that... No way Goku is gonna stay stock SSGSS.

FRieza being alive is porbably in akiras plot outline.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Also have to remember Nagamine was a series director for the U.S arc too. Freeza is alive post ToP and this movie is following exactly on from that. Kaioken presumably doesn't need any sheets since it's just a fancy aura change essentially. It can and probably will still appear but perhaps more as a trump card.

Stock SSGSS is facing off and looks to be struggling against Anger Broly & he still had 2 forms on top of that... No way Goku is gonna stay stock SSGSS.

You know, in all the chatter over Toriyama and Shintani I forgot all about Nagamine. Poor guy. You are right though. Goku looked like he was getting his shit kicked by Super Saiyan Broly at the end of the teaser so he has to have something against Broly Verde.

It took Goku taking a Spirit Bomb to get his orange gi off in the ToP, Broly hasn't even gone FULL POWER and already done that!

[sintzu]

And if "dragon ball super duper" comes, I hope they just adapt the dbs manga version of things.

If you really believe they will adapt the manga DBS anytime soon, you are in for being deluded. I'm sorry to tell you, but there's no way they will actually base Super off the manga, unless Toriyama starts drawing it himself.

The way Super is structured doesn't allow it to be based off the manga as both Toei and Toyotaro get Toriyama's script and go on from there. For the anime to be based off the manga they'll have to wait a very long time for things to get going and constantly take breaks fro the manga to stay ahead.

As much as I've loved the manga, the tournament of power has shown its inability to handle large arcs so trying to base things off it would be a big mistake. I think the best thing they can do is just keep doing what they're doing as it gives us more to enjoy and where one falls the other can make up for it.

[Dbzfan94]

I wonder, what if Super Saiyajin Broly (who seems not to have any pupils as well) was made based on Super Saiyajin Ikari? So maybe that one is not an ordinary SSJ, but Ikari and then next is Densetsu.

Don't mean Trunks' Rage form was based off LSSJ? Ultra SSJ/Grade 3 also seemed to be based off of it.

Idk what the heck Deensetsu is supposed to be.

[alakazam^]

Don't mean Trunks' Rage form was based off LSSJ? Ultra SSJ/Grade 3 also seemed to be based off of it.

Idk what the heck Deensetsu is supposed to be.

Densetsu is Japanese for legend/legendary.