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It's mainly because fusions have been overtaken by stronger things, like opponents at or beyond the level of Gods of Destruction and Ultra Instinct.YamiGoku wrote:I don't know why people are underestimating fusions so much now...
Fusions are overpowered, the only real downside is the time limit, if you remove the time limit and the saiyans pride, then they will fuse constantly.
Only once, before the fight with Pure Buu. Goku said he preferred to fight as a single being also that it just wouldn't be fair to Buu who didn't have anyone absorbed anymore. However, later on in the fight, Goku beats himself up for that decision since Buu was stronger than than he thought.AnimeNation101 wrote:The Goku and Vegeta vs Jiren fight says hi.Miracles wrote:Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...Baggie_Saiyan wrote:People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.
Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.
Also, was it ever ACTUALLY stated in the series that they refuse to fight a single opponent as a fusion?
They havent been overtaken... ssb vegito was alreary at hakaishin level in the zamasu arc. A current ssb vegito will vastly outstrip zamasu arc ssb vegito, and that goes for a current ssb gogeta too. we dont even know how much more powerfull vegeta and goku are in the movie than when they were at the end of the TOP.PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:It's mainly because fusions have been overtaken by stronger things, like opponents at or beyond the level of Gods of Destruction and Ultra Instinct.YamiGoku wrote:I don't know why people are underestimating fusions so much now...
Fusions are overpowered, the only real downside is the time limit, if you remove the time limit and the saiyans pride, then they will fuse constantly.
And I'm honestly fine with that.
I tend to not like fusions most of the time.
It's not the only evidence. *Cracks Nuckle*.Miracles wrote:Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...Baggie_Saiyan wrote:People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.
Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.
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Bro. This is literally me on the db reddit when someone tells me there is no evidence. LolBaggie_Saiyan wrote:It's not the only evidence. *Cracks Nuckle*.Miracles wrote:Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...Baggie_Saiyan wrote:People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.
Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.
Evidence A:
Toei announce triple feature theatre run in USA. Broly M8, Fusion Reborn M12, Bardock TVSP.
Broly gets revealed as the new villain...
Planet Vegeta confirmed to appear...
Thus Fusion Reborn significance is only Gogeta...hmm.
Evidence B:
XV2 datamine.
SSGSS is currently an active form they would not allow video games to start using it creatively like Raging Blast with SS3 like how SDBH not giving SSG/SSGSS to any one expect the avatar characters, despite going as far as giving Cell arc Gohan SS3 in the past.
Evidence C:
Bandai Spirits December Ichiban Kuji with Prize B & C being lablled "New Movie Character A & B", Ichiban Kuji is the highest tier of prize figures in Japan minor characters will not be apart it. Banpresto are expecting one of the new characters to be popular enough they are releasing them overseas along with Full Power and SSGSS Goku from the Kuji
Evidence D:
December's WCF Vol.1 have blanks but currently have a Goku so another Goku seems slim. Not to mention WCF has three 12 high ratio's these are usually reserved for super popular characters one was Goku the other waa revealed to be Vegeta and the third? Fusion fits that bill.
Evidence E:
Bandai's December Gashapon list two blanks as "Movie Character A1 & A2". Thus giving away it's one character but different versions so ie different forms.
Evidence F:
December's Shikishi Art 7 description all but confirms no UI Goku:
"...
In this bullet, we will line up the characters that will appear in the movie "Dragon Ball Super Broly" to be released on December 14th. Others from "Dragon Ball Super" from "Ultra Instinct Son Goku" and so on will also appear".
They made the distinction UI Goku is from other "DBS" not the movie. Why make the distinction like that unless UI isn't in the movie? Like in Evidence E where Bandai have both the DBS Broly and DBS logo because one of the releases has Future Trunks.
All this does is add more to the suspicion that the big secret is Gogeta.
Evidence G:
January's Ultimate Soldiers IV I called on Monday it was gonna be Gogeta and thus blanked.... Sure enough it was blanked! The description of it is I believe along the lines "A character that plays an active part in the movie appears as a powerful figure!". Also the figure is 21cm meanwhile SSGSS Goku was 20cm and Vegeta 18cm.
A description fitting of Gogeta no?
If after all this you still don't at the very least entertain the idea that Gogeta might appear then you are just really kidding yourself.
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P6.8, P7.1-5AnimeNation101 wrote:The Goku and Vegeta vs Jiren fight says hi.Miracles wrote:Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...Baggie_Saiyan wrote:People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.
Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.
Also, was it ever ACTUALLY stated in the series that they refuse to fight a single opponent as a fusion?
Not really. I'm talking Toriyama ONLY scripts. Not other writers with their own additions. Toriyama has Goku and Vegeta stay this way in BOTH of his own movies [BOG/ROF]. This Broly movie is another Toriyama Solo Scriptora!kudo6000 wrote:Yes, they said this in RoF. We’re in 2018 now. A lot has happened; Goku and Vegeta vs Zamasu, Goku and Vegeta against Jiren, Goku and Vegeta vs the fucking Trio De Danger.Miracles wrote:Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.
Unless you’re talking about the manga, then your argument is moot.
You're evidence is based on unconfirmed revealings and those unconfirmed revealings that you are even guessing on are somehow going to be in the movie?Baggie_Saiyan wrote:It's not the only evidence. *Cracks Nuckle*.Miracles wrote:Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...Baggie_Saiyan wrote:People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.
Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.
Evidence A:
Toei announce triple feature theatre run in USA. Broly M8, Fusion Reborn M12, Bardock TVSP.
Broly gets revealed as the new villain...
Planet Vegeta confirmed to appear...
Thus Fusion Reborn significance is only Gogeta...hmm.
Evidence B:
XV2 datamine.
SSGSS is currently an active form they would not allow video games to start using it creatively like Raging Blast with SS3 like how SDBH not giving SSG/SSGSS to any one expect the avatar characters, despite going as far as giving Cell arc Gohan SS3 in the past.
Evidence C:
Bandai Spirits December Ichiban Kuji with Prize B & C being lablled "New Movie Character A & B", Ichiban Kuji is the highest tier of prize figures in Japan minor characters will not be apart it. Banpresto are expecting one of the new characters to be popular enough they are releasing them overseas along with Full Power and SSGSS Goku from the Kuji
Evidence D:
December's WCF Vol.1 have blanks but currently have a Goku so another Goku seems slim. Not to mention WCF has three 12 high ratio's these are usually reserved for super popular characters one was Goku the other waa revealed to be Vegeta and the third? Fusion fits that bill.
Evidence E:
Bandai's December Gashapon list two blanks as "Movie Character A1 & A2". Thus giving away it's one character but different versions so ie different forms.
Evidence F:
December's Shikishi Art 7 description all but confirms no UI Goku:
"...
In this bullet, we will line up the characters that will appear in the movie "Dragon Ball Super Broly" to be released on December 14th. Others from "Dragon Ball Super" from "Ultra Instinct Son Goku" and so on will also appear".
They made the distinction UI Goku is from other "DBS" not the movie. Why make the distinction like that unless UI isn't in the movie? Like in Evidence E where Bandai have both the DBS Broly and DBS logo because one of the releases has Future Trunks.
All this does is add more to the suspicion that the big secret is Gogeta.
Evidence G:
January's Ultimate Soldiers IV I called on Monday it was gonna be Gogeta and thus blanked.... Sure enough it was blanked! The description of it is I believe along the lines "A character that plays an active part in the movie appears as a powerful figure!". Also the figure is 21cm meanwhile SSGSS Goku was 20cm and Vegeta 18cm.
A description fitting of Gogeta no?
If after all this you still don't at the very least entertain the idea that Gogeta might appear then you are just really kidding yourself.
Nice that they kept the palace from the Movie 8 and made it an important location, Broli and Paragus presumbably hid on planet VampaSuper Saiyan Swagger wrote:New DBMFL post continues to look at the artwork for the film.
The palace at the top of the artwork is King Vegeta's palace. The image on top is from Movie 8, so they took inspiration from that to create King Vegeta's palace for this new movie.
Here's a neat little beach area that'll show up in the film.
Next week they'll be interviewing Kai Makino, the director of CG for the film.
The power of fusion depends entirely on who is fusing with who. They are not fixed tiers of power. Based on how the Potara multiplier works, Vegito Blue after the ToP should be way stronger than MUI Goku (and by default Awakened Jiren & Full Power Beerus also). This is sort-of backed up SDBH where Base Cumber = Jiren according to the game's dialouge, and Vegito Blue had the edge on base Cumber.PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:It's mainly because fusions have been overtaken by stronger things, like opponents at or beyond the level of Gods of Destruction and Ultra Instinct.YamiGoku wrote:I don't know why people are underestimating fusions so much now...
Fusions are overpowered, the only real downside is the time limit, if you remove the time limit and the saiyans pride, then they will fuse constantly.
And I'm honestly fine with that.
I tend to not like fusions most of the time.
What are you doing Toriyama? What. Are. You. Doing?Akira Toriyama wrote:The reason why Goku and Vegeta’s children can become Super Saiyan relatively easily is probably (...) because Earth’s environment is gentler and easier to live in than Planet Vegeta.
You are saying this because the sky is now blue and not red? Seriously?Grimlock wrote:What are you doing Toriyama? What. Are. You. Doing?Akira Toriyama wrote:The reason why Goku and Vegeta’s children can become Super Saiyan relatively easily is probably (...) because Earth’s environment is gentler and easier to live in than Planet Vegeta.
Now Planet Vegeta (supposed to be red and with red sky, but now it's red with blue sky?) is a beautiful planet, with a gentle and easy environment and a huge pool for Saiyans kids to play. Tell me Toriyama, how there has not been any Super Saiyan bargain sale in the past?
Lol ikr? Toriyama was obviously referring to how Planet Vegeta was always full of savages who fought a lot while Earth is way more peaceful. Pretty sure he wasn’t actually talking about the “nature” of both planetsSuper Saiyan Swagger wrote:You are saying this because the sky is now blue and not red? Seriously?Grimlock wrote:What are you doing Toriyama? What. Are. You. Doing?Akira Toriyama wrote:The reason why Goku and Vegeta’s children can become Super Saiyan relatively easily is probably (...) because Earth’s environment is gentler and easier to live in than Planet Vegeta.
Now Planet Vegeta (supposed to be red and with red sky, but now it's red with blue sky?) is a beautiful planet, with a gentle and easy environment and a huge pool for Saiyans kids to play. Tell me Toriyama, how there has not been any Super Saiyan bargain sale in the past?
What in the world are you even trying to say? Are you trying to say that just because they had red skies on planet Vegeta they had a more gentle environment than Earth? Your statement makes no sense. Planet Vegeta was filled with savages. Earth was not.Grimlock wrote:What are you doing Toriyama? What. Are. You. Doing?Akira Toriyama wrote:The reason why Goku and Vegeta’s children can become Super Saiyan relatively easily is probably (...) because Earth’s environment is gentler and easier to live in than Planet Vegeta.
Now Planet Vegeta (supposed to be red and with red sky, but now it's red with blue sky?) is a beautiful planet, with a gentle and easy environment and a huge pool for Saiyans kids to play. Tell me Toriyama, how there has not been any Super Saiyan bargain sale in the past?
