Bebi Hatchiyack wrote:See you in the Third Trailer that will erase all your worrieness
What? Will we get a third trailer?
Consider this
Spoiler:
First trailer was action and story, second trailer mainly story, final trailer will probably indeed be focussing on action / animation and Gogeta appearing.
It will be right in the face 'this is what we got, come and watch it'. It's meant to give a convincing impression of the animation efforts that's been put into this movie.
AnimeNation101 wrote:??? Yeah, it is. Freedom of speech. What you’re basically saying is fans dont have a right to openly disagree with the decisions and changes made in a product they love and that they should just be quiet and take what they get silently.
No. Fans have a right to be mad at the retcon. Thats how its always been. Thats how it will always be.
If you actually read what I wrote, you'd know what I was saying.
Fundamentally, there's nothing stopping the movie from showing Bardock standing up to Freeza. DB Minus didn't, but that's not what DB Minus was focusing on. It didn't even show Vegeta getting destroyed, as it cut to Earth like a month before Vegeta was destroyed. This new Broli movie IS showing Freeza destroying Vegeta, and is showing Bardock's suspicions of Freeza's motives, so it very well could happen.
hey Friends did anybody recognize this two Saiyan's that Guard King Vegeta, they look Like the Original Royalguards. Funanimation call the one with the lomg Hair, Zorn.
Bergamo wrote:
By that same logic, shouldn't King Vegeta get a cool moment. Bardock occupies the "father to the main saiyans" role which he shares with King Vegeta and Paragus. Paragus also appears in the present making him inherently more important than KV and Bardock. Frieza appears in the present and is a much more developed character. He is also a powerful fighter, which makes him a very important character. Bardock has nothing going for him other than a completely unrelated TV special.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Bardock’s importance in the movie is a piss poor argument against why people care about how they’re changing him.
The fact that Bardock isn't that important in DBS: Broly is a perfectly good reason for why people shouldn't be so upset at the movie for not making him "cool".
No. It doesn’t matter what role a character has in a story. If Toriyama changes events previously established himself that are important to the character you like, you have the right to complain about what you see as an ass change or retcon. The character’s importance in the story at the time has nothing to do with it
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
"I don't think I'm a hero of justice or anythin'. But those who'd hurt my friends... I won't forgive!"
Bebi Hatchiyack wrote:See you in the Third Trailer that will erase all your worrieness
What? Will we get a third trailer?
Consider this
Spoiler:
Most of the worries here are about Bardock. So why would the 3rd trailer which you assume will be about Gogeta erase our worries about Bardock? They’re completely unrelated. Sure, the 3rd trailer might be hype but that wont get rid of the problems people have about what they might have done to Bardock and his iconic moment.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
"I don't think I'm a hero of justice or anythin'. But those who'd hurt my friends... I won't forgive!"
I’m curious if anybody else has wondered at what point in the fight will we see Vegeta have that condescending look in his face at the end of trailer 2?
Obviously it’ll probably be at the beginning during the first reveal, but at some point Goku steps in as a super saiyan as well. Maybe they’ll be taking turns fighting on and off? I can’t really see them ganging up on Broly right from the start. If ssj Vegeta gets overwhelmed by Broly, he has multiple forms afterwards to compensate for it. Any idea why they’d both potentially use it? Assuming around th same time?
TheOne wrote:I’m curious if anybody else has wondered at what point in the fight will we see Vegeta have that condescending look in his face at the end of trailer 2?
Obviously it’ll probably be at the beginning during the first reveal, but at some point Goku steps in as a super saiyan as well. Maybe they’ll be taking turns fighting on and off? I can’t really see them ganging up on Broly right from the start. If ssj Vegeta gets overwhelmed by Broly, he has multiple forms afterwards to compensate for it. Any idea why they’d both potentially use it? Assuming around th same time?
Maybe Goku just gets so excited that he keeps butting in, ending up in both of them fighting Broly at once like how they did against Jiren.
Bergamo wrote:You can deny obvious truths, but don't expect me to take someone seriously when they say android 21 is canon. There have been so many Toriyama, Toei, and Shueisha statements calling DBS an official continuation of Dragon Ball.
No, only assumptions. There nothing from them explicit directed to a canon on any source nor a timeline taking into account the current events (Super). Also Android 21? I never read from anyone telling she's part of the main story, that's like saying the same about Towa and Miira.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Noah wrote:Because it was implied he did so in the original work? And people wouldn't take serious a story that contradicts it's own source? Is that a serious question, mate?
It was barely a page in the manga, that had no bearing on the entire arc and was more of Toriyama giving a nod to Toei. And it doesn't contradict anything since it came from Freeza's mouth an unreliable narrator who also explained why Vegeta couldn't get SS and then he does next arc out of nowhere.
One thing doesn't deny the other. We didn't had any flashbacks of Vegeta achieving the SSJ transformation unlike the anime, but in the manga Freeza did implied a Saiyan that looked like Goku rebelled against him before destroying Planet Vegeta. Saying Freeza is unrealiable is the same thing as saying Goku also is when stated that could defeat Fat Boo as a SSJ3.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Most of the worries here are about Bardock. So why would the 3rd trailer which you assume will be about Gogeta erase our worries about Bardock? They’re completely unrelated. Sure, the 3rd trailer might be hype but that wont get rid of the problems people have about what they might have done to Bardock and his iconic moment.
You are speaking as though Bardock is the most important part of this movie, which he isn't as he is just meant to represent Goku's father like Paragus and King Vegeta do to the other 2.
AnimeNation101 wrote:
Still doesn’t change the fact that Bardock’s importance in the movie is a piss poor argument against why people care about how they’re changing him.
The fact that Bardock isn't that important in DBS: Broly is a perfectly good reason for why people shouldn't be so upset at the movie for not making him "cool".
No. It doesn’t matter what role a character has in a story. If Toriyama changes events previously established himself that are important to the character you like, you have the right to complain about what you see as an ass change or retcon. The character’s importance in the story at the time has nothing to do with it
You have a right to complain about anything, but that doesn't make the complaint relevant or productive.
My explanations for the events of my favorite current manga.
Bergamo wrote:You can deny obvious truths, but don't expect me to take someone seriously when they say android 21 is canon. There have been so many Toriyama, Toei, and Shueisha statements calling DBS an official continuation of Dragon Ball.
No, only assumptions. There nothing from them explicit directed to a canon on any source nor a timeline taking into account the current events (Super). Also Android 21? I never read from anyone telling she's part of the main story, that's like saying the same about Towa and Miira.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Noah wrote:Because it was implied he did so in the original work? And people wouldn't take serious a story that contradicts it's own source? Is that a serious question, mate?
It was barely a page in the manga, that had no bearing on the entire arc and was more of Toriyama giving a nod to Toei. And it doesn't contradict anything since it came from Freeza's mouth an unreliable narrator who also explained why Vegeta couldn't get SS and then he does next arc out of nowhere.
One thing doesn't deny the other. We didn't had any flashbacks of Vegeta achieving the SSJ transformation unlike the anime, but in the manga Freeza did implied a Saiyan that looked like Goku rebelled against him before destroying Planet Vegeta. Saying Freeza is unrealiable is the same thing as saying Goku also is when stated that could defeat Fat Boo as a SSJ3.
Bebi Hatchiyack wrote:
Noah wrote:What? Will we get a third trailer?
Consider this
Spoiler:
Oh, that's a good theory
"I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them" -Akira Toriyama
"Dragon Ball Super is a complete continuation of the Majin Boo story arc." -Akira Toriyama
My explanations for the events of my favorite current manga.
Whats the point of Vegeta using SSG in this movie? He didn't use it at all in the anime and even in the 1st trailer we already saw (Ikari) Broly going toe to toe with SSB Goku. Unless thats the form that Gogeta ends up using which would be cool I guess
New_Guy wrote:Question because I cannot recall correctly. "Infant" Goku being found by Gohan is retconned now is it not? Or was that scene technically never shown in the actual manga? Been a long time since I re-read Dragon Ball so I can't really tell. I do remember that scene in the anime however. Someone help
RecolorSaiyan wrote:Unless thats the form that Gogeta ends up using which would be cool I guess
I'm certain this is the case. If Gogeta does end up being on XV2, he'll be a separated slot, which means another form for him. Like Vegetto and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto in there.
Well, hopefully it is Super Saiyan God Gogeta. I'll only like to see Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Gogeta afterwards, because that would happen eventually. I don't know if we will ever see Super Saiyan God Vegetto though, for instance.
I think either approach looks fine and believing they should either stick with the anime colors or move toward the manga colors is an acceptable idea.
But this is the same as the Trunks hair situation. They're only changing this now with no real reason to do so, and it's not consistent with the rest of the series. I like pink Frieza okay, but it's surely going to confuse people. It's not as bad as kid Trunks still mysteriously having purple hair, but it's annoying and they should just decide whether they're going whole-hog with the manga colors or making up their own pallets and stop this halfway stuff. I mean it's not like Bulma has purple hair in this movie.
