What is the dumbest DB fan theory you have ever heard?

[Polyphase Avatron]

The theory Goku is stronger than the original SSG-form in base, and is able to stack the original SSG-multiplier or Blue-multiplier on top of that.
That's a divine monster that makes the Grand Priests panties go wet.

And it creates an issue in that characters throughout the series from the BOG arc onwards all jump to being WAYYY stronger than initially believed, and that the Grand Priest himself would ultimately end up a million times stronger in order to keep in line with that fact that he's still the strongest fighter in all the universes. According to this theory, If you were to combine the power level of every mortal being in U7 then they'd still be weaker than the Grand Priest by a long shot, and that is a truly terrifying thought to behold. Even if Cell or Boo had absorbed every living being in U7, they'd still fall way short of being able to challenge the Great Priest.

The idea of the Grand Priest being stronger than everyone in Universe 7 combined isn't really that unbelievable. I'd bet that at least 80% of that power comes from Whis, Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, and Broly. So Daishinkan just has to be stronger than those 6 combined plus a bit extra.

[PFM18]

Saiyan beyond-God was retconned

It is very obvious that Saiyan Beyond God was retconned from the movies. Goku and Vegeta don't have God Ki and we receive no indication that they are stronger than SSG in their "Base" form.

Everything in the Super Anime (and some of the manga) suggests that theory is true. From Beerus's comments about Goku & Vegeta's power in their base forms while training with Whis at the start of the RoF arc, to Base Copy-Vegeta casually stomping SSJ3 Gotenks, to Base Broly being able to fight SSB level fighters and many other things.

No, the ONLY thing in the anime that indicates it is posisble Goku's Base is stronger than Super Saiyan God in the anime is that he punched the SoD out of existence where his SSJ form couldn't. But then the verbatim used immediately afterwards with "power beyond limits" and what not implies it to be a temporary boost and the fact we don't get any confirmation during RoF that his base had surpassed SSG corroborates that. Base Vegeta>SSJ3 Gotenks is not even remotely an indication that their Base form is stronger than SSG. Their Base form can be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks while simultaneously being weaker than SSG considering the unfathomably large gap that exists between them.

The theory Goku is stronger than the original SSG-form in base, and is able to stack the original SSG-multiplier or Blue-multiplier on top of that.
That's a divine monster that makes the Grand Priests panties go wet.

While obviously they are wrong, I don't think that really fits this thread tht well because I can see how people can see that. It isn't really that stupid.

[Mister_Popo]

Saiyan beyond-God was retconned

It is very obvious that Saiyan Beyond God was retconned from the movies. Goku and Vegeta don't have God Ki and we receive no indication that they are stronger than SSG in their "Base" form.

Everything in the Super Anime (and some of the manga) suggests that theory is true. From Beerus's comments about Goku & Vegeta's power in their base forms while training with Whis at the start of the RoF arc, to Base Copy-Vegeta casually stomping SSJ3 Gotenks, to Base Broly being able to fight SSB level fighters and many other things.

No, the ONLY thing in the anime that indicates it is posisble Goku's Base is stronger than Super Saiyan God in the anime is that he punched the SoD out of existence where his SSJ form couldn't. But then the verbatim used immediately afterwards with "power beyond limits" and what not implies it to be a temporary boost and the fact we don't get any confirmation during RoF that his base had surpassed SSG corroborates that. Base Vegeta>SSJ3 Gotenks is not even remotely an indication that their Base form is stronger than SSG. Their Base form can be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks while simultaneously being weaker than SSG considering the unfathomably large gap that exists between them.

The theory Goku is stronger than the original SSG-form in base, and is able to stack the original SSG-multiplier or Blue-multiplier on top of that.
That's a divine monster that makes the Grand Priests panties go wet.

While obviously they are wrong, I don't think that really fits this thread tht well because I can see how people can see that. It isn't really that stupid.

So Vegeta needed SSJ to fight Katopesla.
If one would assumed he needed a transformation that even surpasses BOG SSG to do that ...
A guy in a suit that's stronger than the power SSG Goku used against Beerus?

True Form Freeza deals better with Dyspo than Goku who even needed Blue to face Dyspo (SSG wasn't enough), while he only stalemated 'base Goku' in ROF.

I don't think it's stupid when you don't see this at once. Heck even i needed to be confronted with the facts one day.
But if you refuse to see this while the arguments have been put on the table so many times before on different boards and threads, i don't know man ...

[PFM18]

So Vegeta needed SSJ to fight Katopesla.
If one would assumed he needed a transformation that even surpasses BOG SSG to do that ...
A guy in a suit that's stronger than the power SSG Goku used against Beerus?

Yes. At the end of the day the guy is one of the strongest fighters in his Universe and one of the 80 strongest fighters in the Multiverse. You can't just arbitrarily decide he can't be that strong based on the fact that he is "a guy in a suit."

True Form Freeza deals better with Dyspo than Goku who even needed Blue to face Dyspo (SSG wasn't enough), while he only stalemated 'base Goku' in ROF.

First, that's not even true he was mostly using SSG against Dyspo. And that was given an explanation. Freeza did as well as he did because Dyspo's movements were linear and predictable. Not because he was as strong as him or as strong as SSG. If there was any doubt from that scene as far as where Final Form Freeza stands, it becomes clear that he is Base/SSJ tier in the final scene of the ToP.

Heck even i needed to be confronted with the facts one day.

If you call you speculating about two scenes "confronted with the facts" then I think we have dramatically different definitions of what that actually means.

[Polyphase Avatron]

DBS is just inconsistent in terms of powerscaling.

[theherodjl]

The idea of the Grand Priest being stronger than everyone in Universe 7 combined isn't really that unbelievable. I'd bet that at least 80% of that power comes from Whis, Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, and Broly. So Daishinkan just has to be stronger than those 6 combined plus a bit extra.

Its worth noting that Cell absorbing several thousand human beings with single digit PLs boosted him to such a level that he could tank a charged up Ki blast without even a scratch from Kamiccolo, a foe he could not have beaten only days prior. Imagine if Cell had absorbed every being with an absorbable body in the entire universe? Trillions of beings with varying BP ranging from single digit to multi-digit. Or imagine if Boo had done that? There's no telling what kind of crazy amount you'd get from absorbing a universe's entire population.

[Mister_Popo]

DBS is just inconsistent in terms of powerscaling.

Yes, i have my own headcanon explaining some of these inconsistencies, but i also highly doubt the writers intented it to be that way.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The idea of the Grand Priest being stronger than everyone in Universe 7 combined isn't really that unbelievable. I'd bet that at least 80% of that power comes from Whis, Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, and Broly. So Daishinkan just has to be stronger than those 6 combined plus a bit extra.

Its worth noting that Cell absorbing several thousand human beings with single digit PLs boosted him to such a level that he could tank a charged up Ki blast without even a scratch from Kamiccolo, a foe he could not have beaten only days prior.

I always considered that to be just another inconsistency. After all, the Genki Dama charged with nearly all of the life energy of every single person on Earth, plus all of the energy from the Z-senshi, was still too weak to stop Kid Buu without Goku being at SSJ3.

[theherodjl]

I always considered that to be just another inconsistency. After all, the Genki Dama charged with nearly all of the life energy of every single person on Earth, plus all of the energy from the Z-senshi, was still too weak to stop Kid Buu without Goku being at SSJ3.

Absorbing a being's entire form probably gives the absorbing party a greater boost than taking in simple donated energy, its kind of like how Galactus wouldn't just eat the raw energy found all around an inhabited planet, but the entire planet itself.
Boo's feat can be attributed to Goku at that point having virtually no pushing power behind the Genki Dama, and the fact that Boo had infinite stamina, regenerating any damage it may have been inflicting on him, and a good foothold to push a now-motionless sphere of Ki back.

[zarmack]

- Lunch is a saiyan
- Humans can go SSJ (because Saiyans & Humans have a common ancestor)
- Toriyama was forced to take Gohan's starring role in the Buu arc away
- Jiren was secretly training Goku & Vegeta for a Divine War in the ToP
- Toriyama hates Vegeta
- Broly killed Jiren's parents

[PFM18]

Well someone just told me that Buu arc Vegetto>Kefla so I figure this was perfect for this thread...

[ekrolo2]

Kaio-Ken being inspired by SSG, this is an old one nobody says anymore but around the time BoG was a relevant discussion topic, I saw it around a lot.

[sunsetshimmer]

Well someone just told me that Buu arc Vegetto>Kefla so I figure this was perfect for this thread...

Well Kefla SSJ was equal to Gohan in manga. Anime Kefla is a different case because Goku needed UI to beat her.

[PFM18]

Well someone just told me that Buu arc Vegetto>Kefla so I figure this was perfect for this thread...

Well Kefla SSJ was equal to Gohan in manga. Anime Kefla is a different case because Goku needed UI to beat her.

yeah and in the manga, trying to sift through it's garbage scaling, it should be a similar case where Kefla dwarfs Buu arc Vegetto.

[zarmack]

Some other dumb theories I've heard:

1. Goku got the hear virus on Namek
2. Android 17 married Lunch and adopted Uub
3. Bulma's mom is an Android
4. Jiren himself killed his parents (and is in denial)
5. Any Z-fighter being secretly gay (most common with yaoi fangirls)
6. Goku Black is Future Goku
7. GT Goku was sandbagging the whole series and that base GT Goku is the strongest character in the franchise.

Also, not really dumb but still false is the theory of Offense UI and & Defense UI.

[PFM18]

3. Bulma's mom is an Android

But how else would she not age??

[zarmack]

Well someone just told me that Buu arc Vegetto>Kefla so I figure this was perfect for this thread...

Well Kefla SSJ was equal to Gohan in manga. Anime Kefla is a different case because Goku needed UI to beat her.

Even manga Kefla would destroy Buu arc Vegito with ease, because manga Kale alone at her peak is CSSB level.

[sunsetshimmer]

Well someone just told me that Buu arc Vegetto>Kefla so I figure this was perfect for this thread...

Well Kefla SSJ was equal to Gohan in manga. Anime Kefla is a different case because Goku needed UI to beat her.

Even manga Kefla would destroy Buu arc Vegito with ease, because manga Kale alone at her peak is CSSB level.

Kale was beating SSJB and Golden Frieza, but Kefla for some dumb reason was struggling with Gohan.
And nothing will convince me that Gohan is stronger than SSJ Blue Goku or Golden Frieza. He isn't anywhere near their level.

[Spider-Man]

Here some others dumb theories I've heard in the internet:

-Fasha is Goku's Mother

-Goku Black killed Jiren's parents

-Android 17 adopted Uub

-Hit has a clone in the ToP

-The Great Priest is evil.

[Lukmendes]

- Humans can go SSJ (because Saiyans & Humans have a common ancestor)

I wonder if someone who believes that Yamcha is Gohan's father used that to explain why Gohan can go SS lol.

Well someone just told me that Buu arc Vegetto>Kefla so I figure this was perfect for this thread...

Well Kefla SSJ was equal to Gohan in manga. Anime Kefla is a different case because Goku needed UI to beat her.

Manga Gohan is specificaly said to have gotten stronger during ToP itself, which even Goku is surprised with, it's trash to make Gohan that strong with such a bad explanation, but she's still way above DBZ-level of characters.

5. Any Z-fighter being secretly gay (most common with yaoi fangirls)

Probably was mentioned here, but reminds me of the theory that male saiyans can reproduce with each other.