Onikage725 wrote:So it's been awhile since you've watched episode 13, I assume. Nobody said anything about a rage boost. Goku was having fun. He lands a punch, and fist pumps yelling "alright!" while Beerus laments having to stop having fun with a friend. This portion of the fight wasn't terribly tense. And, when figuring out what happened, Goku states he doesn't feel weaker. Beerus tells him that the power is still inside him.
I haven't seen ep 13 recently, but that isn't the one in question. Nothing was disputed about what happened in episode 13. What you are referring to isn't even the scene that was being discussed. I recommend you read into context more carefully, because this scene about Goku dropping into SSJ and not being weaker wasn't disputed, the dispute is in the premise that Base>SSG, which can only be rationalized by arbitrarily assuming that based on that one singular punch by Goku in episode 14.
I'm not sure how you're going to sit here incredulous that it was never said or implied, when Goku is keeping up with Beerus as regular Super Saiyan
This was never disputed. Again, please read more carefully. Obviously Goku's SSJ was as strong as SSG.
No, it doesn't. It is a "God-like" state, but...as you noted yourself, doesn't have God Ki. RoF the film doesn't address it one way or another. But, we are discussing Super anyway, aren't we? The state isnt named in either iteration, but clearly "exists" as we see Goku fight Freeza with it.
As the officiial name "Saiyan Beyond God" is described: It is "a God-like power without changing form" or "The power of a God without changing form." And since the words "ki" and "power" are interchangeable in this series, it is obviously referring to God Ki. And this makes sense, because a new name for their Base form wouldn't even make sense unless their was a new quality to it; in this case, God Ki. Now, this was only indicated in promotional material for RoF, and in the RoF movie, their Base forms were never sensed. In Super, people have no issue sensing their Base forms, therefore, the form does not exist in Super.
As far as fighting Freeza, there's no reason to think that isn't just Goku's Base form like it has been forever.
Also, Copy Vegeta uses it to body Gotenks.
Copy Vegeta uses his Base form to body Gotenks. Their Base forms are really strong.
In fact, the other name for the form is "God-like Saiyan."
That isn't "the other name for the form" that is just some garbage that Dragon Ball Wiki perpetuates. Unlike Saiyan Beyond God, it is not an official name of anything.
No one said "base is greater."
"absorbed into base" is clearly implying that their Base is stronger than SSG. So no, you are wrong about your claim that nobody is saying "Base is stronger."
but it's well above Buu Saga's SSJ3.
Yeah, obviously. That was never disputed. After the absorption stuff, Goku's Base makes Buu arc SSJ3 look like nothing.
Their was the argument made above that base in the ToP is = to Buu Saga base, and that is beyond ridiculous.
Yeah, it is beyond ridiculous, but I don't know why you are quoting me when you are talking about it. I didn't say it.