Mnich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:04 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:39 pm
Mnich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:32 pm
Actually, Goku Black was never a Kaioshin, only a mere Kai. He was trained by Gowasu to become one but we all know what happened before he could end his training. You really shouldn't call him a Supreme Kai.
Anime and manga have different rules, you would be right if we were talking about the manga, where both Black and Future Zamasu (actually I can't remember if that applies to Future Zamasu as well) never became official Supreme Kais (as a result, Fused Zamasu had a time limit). In the anime, Black was a Supreme Kai, since it is estabilished that only them can use the Time Rings.
I will call him a Supreme Kai, just as Shin is considered a Supreme Kai despite being incompetent and useless.
He killed Gowasu and stole a Time Ring and Potara. It's not like only Kaioshins
CAN use a Time Ring. Kaioshins are the only ones that
are ALLOWED to use such stuff. It was Black who said that in the anime. He proclaimed himself as Kaioshin but was never appointed by his master. Should we call Cell or Luud a God of Destruction?
Shin is not "considered" a Kaioshin,
he IS a Kaioshin. It really doesn't matter that he sucks at his job. Beerus is also a bad God of Destruction - he destroys stuff because he has such a whim or just sleeps all the time. They both were appointed (or Shin was born as Kaioshin) and Goku Black declared himself as one. So again - you shouldn't call him a Supreme Kai.
Except that in the anime wearing a Supreme Kai's potara earring already proves that you are a full rank Supreme Kai. That's how Gowasu temporarily promoted Present Zamasu to a Supreme Kai to visit the Babarians, by giving him one of his green earrings. And Gowasu literally states that the Time Rings can transport only those with a full rank of Supreme Kais and have the correct Potara earring to prove it. If both of these requirements are not met, you cannot use a Time Ring. But since Zamasu became a Supreme Kai after murdering his master, and had the correct Potara earring to prove it, he was able to use the Time Ring. This is Toei itself aknowledging that Zamasu was a full rank Supreme Kai, not just Goku Black with an in-universe statement.
If you think about it, what you said doesn't make. If everyone can use a Time Ring but the Supreme Kais are the only allowed to do so, then why did Gowasu need to promote Zamasu and give him his earring to use the Time Ring? He was under his supervision, so it's not like Zamasu would suddenly go rogue after using the Time Ring.
The fact that both Black and Future Zamasu were full rank Supreme Kais is further proved by the fact that Fused Zamasu didn't have a time limit and never defused despite using a massive amount of energy.
Also, and this is a minor but significant detail, when Black tells his backstory, he killed Gowasu and put on his green earring, and the earring flashed with light for a split second, which could be the physical representation of Zamasu's ascension to the rank of Supreme Kai.
We should end this discussion here, since it's a derailment over something meaningless, and it doesn't disprove my point anyway that Black is a superior God while Turles is a lowly mortal. And Zamasu was not just a simple God, he was a fighting prodigy and a genius, whose strength was unprecedented even amongst most Supreme Kais, despite just being an apprentice.