TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am
I'm kind of done with this whole Ocean Kai thing. If it's this much like pulling teeth, then it's likely not going to happen. It's as obvious as the nose on someone's face that anyone with any say doesn't want Ocean Kai seeing the light of day, so it likely won't.
You say "like pulling teeth".
It was a death by apathy; simply a case of no network picking the product up. Until Wow, that is. And they're very interested.
TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am
As seen by recent events like Toei's public acknowledgement of a Funimation release and Toei mandate that their English subtitles confirm to Funimation's dub names, it's obvious that Toei is endorsing Funimation as their definitive English version. I mean, it always was, but now it's like Toei has gone out of its way to show that.
I doubt that Toei would want to muddy the waters with the Ocean version, when
their English version already exists.
Toei don't give a flying fuck. They'll help promote any release that has any chance of making money, and the names being conformed doesn't affect this, as Ocean have always used the same names as Funi for the ones that have been pushed by Toei.
Something you seem to have missed: Lisa Yamatoya, head of Toei USA, shared an email with SX10 a while back; she suggested Wow pick the version with 167 HD epsiodes instead of just 98 in standard-def, but if Wow want a particular version of Kai, they can have it.
And, as the final nail in the coffin to this ridiculous idea; there's some indication that Ocean's is
their English version, as in Ocean's dub was produced by Toei.
Remember, Ocean provide services of script adaptation, voice acting, scoring, editing, etc., but they must be hired to do this by another company. So, to do a Kai dub, Ocean would have to be hired by someone with the necessary rights to produce and distribute a Dragon Ball dub. In this case, it looks like Toei was most likely behind this. Chances are, this was because then any markets that would prefer Ocean's work over Funi's would have an option they've had a history of preferring, likely a cheaper option (it was produced cut, they likely actually made money on the editing portion since Funi licensed their TV edit, the music would be cheaper than licensing the Japanese score, etc. etc.), and this would likely be more profitable for Toei than simply selling Funi's work on and taking royalties.
But Toei didn't realise that no territories outside the USA would actually be all that interested in airing Kai, and Kix ended up picking Funi's dub.
TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am
On top of that, it's a series that's a decade old and has spent most of that time on ice. Who knows if there's anything more to the series than just a bunch of audio files? Who knows how much edit work remains on the project? Who knows if it even still exists or what condition it's in?
We know pretty definitively that it's a finished product; all 98 episodes were completed and ready to air as of April 2014. The only reason it hasn't seen the light of day is simply that no channel has elected to air it.
It feels like there's been some kind of snub because we, the fans, have seen rumours of chances appear and disappear, and it's taken on this mythical status, but literally all that's happened is no channel's been interested until Wow.
Any ideas of any kind of backdoor dealings, preference from Toei, whatever is just people thinking up rumours from thin air to try to explain the apathy Canada and the UK has had for anime for so long, not helped by Kix UK picking Funi Kai, against the word of a couple of leakers who'd have no reason to know what's going on at Kix, even if they have an in on the industry in the voice acting side, which they used to drum themselves up as big deals.
TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am
I absolutely loved Ocean Z (even the horrendously mismanaged, rushed portion of the cyborg arc and on), but I'm pretty sure it's dead in the water. And nothing is really making me think otherwise. A new channel in Canada that wants to show anime whose details will be revealed in several months, is not news for me to sink my teeth into. These alleged "negotiations" that go on forever and seemingly go nowhere, do not raise my eyebrow.
I hope I'm wrong, but in my mind, this is never happening.
They're launching a new channel, mate. You can't expect them to keep us up to date on every tiny bit of progress in the negotiation for one show.
Maybe it goes south and we don't get the show. We've had no indication that anything's going wrong though, so suddenly souring on this whole thing now is... Well, it's certainly an odd position to take.
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.