Funimation's 30th anniversary collectible home video release

[HakkaiBills93]

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Its also the fact, and I have said it before, FUNimation took too much that they could chew on the level sets and are going for an easier approach and trying to make a set for everyone because yes, people do seem to like crappy releases. So now we have de-grained 4x3 in one complete boxset. People buy crap because it's cheap. The Season sets, dirt cheap. The Season Blurays, cheap..the level sets...a lot of people complained about the price and it turned them off and people complained about the grain, yes it's stupid and no it's not somthing people have been hypnotized to belive grain is bad. People are now used to HD and things shot digitaly. It's the same how people hated widescreen on 4x3 and how people hate full screen on 169. FUNimations not conning anyone. They've been pretty open about this release and has shared (to what we know) uncompressed screenshots of their final version and even raw. I don't know what you mean by not checking the footage, but the level sets clearly showed that A) they know what they're doing and B) they checked frame by frame. It's just that they're not the company that should be doing this at all (TOEI). If you really think about it, it's a dubbing studio that's remastering film.. that's almost as crazy as Fans being about to do it (I'm talking Kei levels of getting 16mm film).

As far as the Bruce Lee movies go, yes Big Boss is censored, that footage got cut back in the 70s to meet Mainland standards (same thing happened to Shaolin soccer but luckily the original one was saved by mirimax (funny enough) and the HK dvd just has the deleted scenes branched into the Mainland cut (like press the button to access the scene) and is hard to find. Enter The Dragon is actually extended on US Bluray so I dont know what youre complaining about. Jackie Chan's a whole other situation cause Weinstein thought everyone's stupid and dumbed downed westernized the crap out of his films, and casual people don't even know, or didn't know (because the internet was either not there or super new) and that version just stuck. Plus casual people in the US dont even know Jackie did films in Hong Kong and prefer his work in the US (where I personally beg to differ) We still don't have Rumble in the Bronx proper on bluray. Infact Hong Kong has the remasters you're talking about... films like Tiger Cage are just straight up DVD upscales, or the Korean Bluray of Restless..thats literally not and upscale at all, just the DVD file with a smoothing filter..those are the real cons.

Honestly, we get it, you hate this release and you despise the people supporting it. If this bothers you so much, I suggest you stick to other topics..trust me, you'll be a lot happier. Id also suggest you read the terms again because you've called fellow fans, "stupid", "retarded" etc. does go against the terms. I suggest you tone down your speech as it's not worth getting banned from this forum over this release.

On a side note: This shot looks pretty good honestly. The lighting effect looks natural and not smudgy or banding from DNR that you'd expect. Not sure what episodes its from but if anyone can post a shot from the season bluray for comparison
Also nice how they used the Ocean dub for that clip..even if it was just reused audio from the rock he dragon trailer lol.

like i said once USA aren't the center of the world about bruce lee release or jackie chan ones i was mostly talking about "international" versions of movies (bruce lee i talked mostly for French first release that was almost half an hour cut) , meaning that for me when a movie is done it should be released EVERYWHERE EXACTLY THE SAME not a 1h20 version here, a 2h07 version there etc or calling thoses movies "uncut version" when they aren't

your arguments about the price is total nonsense cause
- HD Scan that is the highest cost process with dirt etc cleaning is already done (else you should have all those things in the season sets and it wasn't in there
- RAW film only need little crop and slight color correction to be like level sets (and level sets wasn't even perfectly color corrected either




if they have done the color grading correctly frame by frame, white should be from a shade of grey in all frames and it's not white or grey
season sets also have color cast mostly hide by overbrightness

raw films color and level sets ones are similar and if i can color correct with free software, they can do it far easier than me and better, you'll also need to open your eyes . As raw film don't have the same color cast as the "remaster", they have altered colors

So yes i can affirm that they could have done FAR BETTER than this garbage and probably COULD have released the level sets for the same price so if people was buying crap cause it's low prices, then the best should have sold well for the same prices as level sets

about your screenshot, it's not cause few frames look fine or almost fine that it is acceptable

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

That doesn't look like the Level Sets but the Season Sets - 4:3 AR Edition (Black Brick).

Update

Screenshots below.

Spoiler:

Here's what the first screenshot looked like in the raw scan. Taken from this video at the 4:27 mark. https://youtu.be/moAy02J2fd8?t=267

I really don't understand why on the previous sets they left that crappy instrumental guitar movie theme on the dub with Japanese score on the opening when it really should have had Cha-La Head Cha-La/We Gotta Power, though the endings are indeed Zenkai Power and We Were Angels. That music really should have been restricted to just the English broadcast track only, and the only reason i can think of is it was an error that FUNi just never bothered to correct even after so long. Well, with the obvious exception of the Dragon Boxes which actually got it correct.

I remember that being a thing on the movie blu-rays. Was that something they did for the season set blu-rays too? Yeah, that definitely needs to be fixed. How does something like that even happen without anyone noticing? Or if it was an intentional choice, then why keep the ending themes intact?

Would be great if they added Spirit VS Spirit to the dub audio as well. I think at least on the Dragon Box, they just didn't have any music at all during that scene and it was really awkward to watch. The songs don't need to be dubbed but they should at least be there in a "dub with original Japanese score" audio track.

Yeah the whole music thing there has never made sense to me, it really kills the mood of the dub with the Kikuchi score track when that lame guitar instrumental is there on the opening instead of Cha La/We Gotta Power while the proper ending songs were there as they should.

[eledoremassis02]

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Its also the fact, and I have said it before, FUNimation took too much that they could chew on the level sets and are going for an easier approach and trying to make a set for everyone because yes, people do seem to like crappy releases. So now we have de-grained 4x3 in one complete boxset. People buy crap because it's cheap. The Season sets, dirt cheap. The Season Blurays, cheap..the level sets...a lot of people complained about the price and it turned them off and people complained about the grain, yes it's stupid and no it's not somthing people have been hypnotized to belive grain is bad. People are now used to HD and things shot digitaly. It's the same how people hated widescreen on 4x3 and how people hate full screen on 169. FUNimations not conning anyone. They've been pretty open about this release and has shared (to what we know) uncompressed screenshots of their final version and even raw. I don't know what you mean by not checking the footage, but the level sets clearly showed that A) they know what they're doing and B) they checked frame by frame. It's just that they're not the company that should be doing this at all (TOEI). If you really think about it, it's a dubbing studio that's remastering film.. that's almost as crazy as Fans being about to do it (I'm talking Kei levels of getting 16mm film).

As far as the Bruce Lee movies go, yes Big Boss is censored, that footage got cut back in the 70s to meet Mainland standards (same thing happened to Shaolin soccer but luckily the original one was saved by mirimax (funny enough) and the HK dvd just has the deleted scenes branched into the Mainland cut (like press the button to access the scene) and is hard to find. Enter The Dragon is actually extended on US Bluray so I dont know what youre complaining about. Jackie Chan's a whole other situation cause Weinstein thought everyone's stupid and dumbed downed westernized the crap out of his films, and casual people don't even know, or didn't know (because the internet was either not there or super new) and that version just stuck. Plus casual people in the US dont even know Jackie did films in Hong Kong and prefer his work in the US (where I personally beg to differ) We still don't have Rumble in the Bronx proper on bluray. Infact Hong Kong has the remasters you're talking about... films like Tiger Cage are just straight up DVD upscales, or the Korean Bluray of Restless..thats literally not and upscale at all, just the DVD file with a smoothing filter..those are the real cons.

Honestly, we get it, you hate this release and you despise the people supporting it. If this bothers you so much, I suggest you stick to other topics..trust me, you'll be a lot happier. Id also suggest you read the terms again because you've called fellow fans, "stupid", "retarded" etc. does go against the terms. I suggest you tone down your speech as it's not worth getting banned from this forum over this release.

On a side note: This shot looks pretty good honestly. The lighting effect looks natural and not smudgy or banding from DNR that you'd expect. Not sure what episodes its from but if anyone can post a shot from the season bluray for comparison
Also nice how they used the Ocean dub for that clip..even if it was just reused audio from the rock he dragon trailer lol.

like i said once USA aren't the center of the world about bruce lee release or jackie chan ones i was mostly talking about "international" versions of movies (bruce lee i talked mostly for French first release that was almost half an hour cut) , meaning that for me when a movie is done it should be released EVERYWHERE EXACTLY THE SAME not a 1h20 version here, a 2h07 version there etc or calling thoses movies "uncut version" when they aren't

your arguments about the price is total nonsense cause
- HD Scan that is the highest cost process with dirt etc cleaning is already done (else you should have all those things in the season sets and it wasn't in there
- RAW film only need little crop and slight color correction to be like level sets (and level sets wasn't even perfectly color corrected either




if they have done the color grading correctly frame by frame, white should be from a shade of grey in all frames and it's not white or grey
season sets also have color cast mostly hide by overbrightness

raw films color and level sets ones are similar and if i can color correct with free software, they can do it far easier than me and better, you'll also need to open your eyes . As raw film don't have the same color cast as the "remaster", they have altered colors

So yes i can affirm that they could have done FAR BETTER than this garbage and probably COULD have released the level sets for the same price so if people was buying crap cause it's low prices, then the best should have sold well for the same prices as level sets

about your screenshot, it's not cause few frames look fine or almost fine that it is acceptable

That half our cut is weird as most cuts I hear of are from the UK for nunchaku and films like Rumble in the Bronx are the U.S version on Bluray pretty much anywhere...if you can find the HK cut on Blu-ray then do please share the link. Not to mention France has the films in "4k" (they're just the bluray files with some hdr and look no different than the US and HK releases). The Runtimes match every other release on bluray, so there is no reason to complain about an older release when the issue was fixed. As for Jackie chan youre luckier then the US cause half the films we cant get cause of Mirimax. In fact you can import a great release of Police Story 1 and 2 from the UK as youre the same reason. Heck, if I wasn Brandon Lee's Legacy of Rage, I have to get a region B player as the UK is the only one that has it as it seems they have a bigger market for classic HK action films.
You clearly need to watch the making of the level sets where they try to remove everything the can find. The Season sets are clean but cropping hid a lot of stuff such as tape marks. They also stabilized the footage wich the raw scan wouldn't and It seems you would of had a problem with. I've stated this before. FUNi should not be the one responsible to make an archival worthy release using 3rd gen film stock. That's TOEI's job. Can this release be better? Yes but the U.S isn't the center of the world of Dragon ball either, so again, if this set bothers you, its easy to ignore because this sets for the US market. Id suggest either waiting for TOEI or someone in Europe to do their own remaster.

[jaisonas]

There's no way toei or funi are gonna sit and do scene by scene color correction, its way too much effort. Even the perfect level sets suffer from the classic funimation reddish hue.

[JohnnyCashKami]

Spoiler:

That tiny black dot on the right should've been erased because that kind of ruins the blue background.

[samuraix123]

Definitely agree with eledoremassis02 100%. I don't think anyone is claiming this release is perfect. and atleast in my opinion the Dragonboxes are the best there will probably ever be! that's just my opinion, but to call this release absolute trash etc etc is laughable.
I see people pointing out things about the screenshots and I can't help but to chuckle at some of the issues. again, Is it perfect? nope. will we ever have a perfect release? doubt it? because a lot of people talk trash even about Toei's Dragonboxes LOL I mean, What's it going to take to satisfy everyone?
I'm happy that Funimation is is giving us a 4x3 release of Z(and I am tired of buying Z btw) Is it zoomed in a bit so I can't see all the rips and tears that has befallen our favorite series? Yes...But again, I just have to repeat what eledoremassis02 has said, ''Why didn't everyone support heavily!!! The Level sets?''
Sure you could argue that Funimation over-saturated the market with releases, but that didn't mean anyone HAD to buy them. And lets not kid ourselves here...Funimation will definitely release another version eventually...we all know this. LOL I'm definitely not going to insult anyone who has bought this release. but I'm not going to talk down to anyone and say ''You're not a realll fannnn'' LOL

[samuraix123]

There's no way toei or funi are gonna sit and do scene by scene color correction, its way too much effort. Even the perfect level sets suffer from the classic funimation reddish hue.

Yeah, I don't ever see that happening but dude, you're profile pic made me laugh. lol that's ridiculous LOL I know the guy's name from HXH I just can't think of it at the moment. lol

[samuraix123]

I really like the way this looks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFl6ydm7O-w

[Shaddy]

CNXtoonami/Enigmo? Yikes.

[samuraix123]

CNXtoonami/Enigmo? Yikes.

so they're a bad group? looks good from what I am seeing?

[jaisonas]

CNXtoonami/Enigmo? Yikes.

so they're a bad group? looks good from what I am seeing?

I dont know the story but iirc its just one dude shitposting. In anycase i dont like the approach of "turn the saturation knob to max" color correction, it just doesnt look natural.
Here are some just as aggressive color corrections from the level sets but without any saturation added plus that one goku pic someone posted above

[samuraix123]

I've actually never asked about stuff like this before because I could care less but have you got any caparison shots of those vs the dragonboxes? and yeah I agree with you about the Dnr stuff but I honest to God don't think the blurays look bad. they're not great like other releases like the level sets and dragonboxes, but all I wanted was to own the first bluray release in 4x3 instead of 16x9 so it looks like I got my wish there. I just started rewatching Rurouni Kenshin for the first time in yeaaaaars and wish it had a bluray release but..whatever.

[Robo4900]

CNXtoonami/Enigmo? Yikes.

so they're a bad group? looks good from what I am seeing?

He takes footage that looks good, then if it's HD applies crappy high-contrast colour-correction, and if it's SD, he crappily upscales it and then applies heavy sharpening and adds fake grain to cover up some of the worst of the damage, then applies crappy high-contrast colour-correction. And then either way, he processes the audio to add fake highs, EQs it in somewhat haphazard ways, and applies heavy noise reduction, which all distorts the sound pretty badly.
And naturally, he explains this looking and sounding "so good" as him having film reels from Toei, or master audio, or whatever.

The guy's just an idiotic troll and a liar. Ignore him.

[eledoremassis02]

Some screenshot comparisons from the new screenshots. I'm doing youtube vs youtube
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF01NNNU
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/GKWGNNNX

[samuraix123]

CNXtoonami/Enigmo? Yikes.

so they're a bad group? looks good from what I am seeing?

He takes footage that looks good, then if it's HD applies crappy high-contrast colour-correction, and if it's SD, he crappily upscales it and then applies heavy sharpening and adds fake grain to cover up some of the worst of the damage, then applies crappy high-contrast colour-correction. And then either way, he processes the audio to add fake highs, EQs it in somewhat haphazard ways, and applies heavy noise reduction, which all distorts the sound pretty badly.
And naturally, he explains this looking and sounding "so good" as him having film reels from Toei, or master audio, or whatever.

The guy's just an idiotic troll and a liar. Ignore him.

Yeah, See I don't know anything about a lot of Youtubers and such. I will admit I'm a huggge fan of the franchise but when It comes to stuff like people who do that, i'm clueless. Lol heck, when photobucket started all their bullcrap about sharing your photo's etc I just quit looking for places to upload my stuff lol I have a facebook and no cell phone and my cousin calls me an old timer I'M 29 DANG IT!!! Lol

[samuraix123]

Some screenshot comparisons from the new screenshots. I'm doing youtube vs youtube
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF01NNNU
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/GKWGNNNX

Thanks buddy. Yeah, I can see the grain removal issue people have. That and the colors are thicker and brighter on the new sets which too me aren't ''that bad'' not enough to make me turn my nose up in disgust.

[SuperSaiyanPan]

You know when the image is upscaled/blown up to 1080p the grain is actually rather obnoxious and bothersome. And for context I am referencing the images of Goku/Nappa/Krillin above.

[KBABZ]

You know when the image is upscaled/blown up to 1080p the grain is actually rather obnoxious and bothersome. And for context I am referencing the images of Goku/Nappa/Krillin above.

The trick is though that when its in motion, it's much less annoying. It's similar to looking at something through window blinds: if you keep your head still, you see more of the blinds, but if you move your head up and down, you can concentrate on the scenery behind the window. Similar idea with grain: at a certain point it goes from "millions of flecks on the screen" to just noise, and you can see the underlying picture beneath it all.

[SquadronGOD]

Definitely agree with eledoremassis02 100%. I don't think anyone is claiming this release is perfect. and atleast in my opinion the Dragonboxes are the best there will probably ever be! that's just my opinion, but to call this release absolute trash etc etc is laughable.
I see people pointing out things about the screenshots and I can't help but to chuckle at some of the issues. again, Is it perfect? nope. will we ever have a perfect release? doubt it? because a lot of people talk trash even about Toei's Dragonboxes LOL I mean, What's it going to take to satisfy everyone?
I'm happy that Funimation is is giving us a 4x3 release of Z(and I am tired of buying Z btw) Is it zoomed in a bit so I can't see all the rips and tears that has befallen our favorite series? Yes...But again, I just have to repeat what eledoremassis02 has said, ''Why didn't everyone support heavily!!! The Level sets?''
Sure you could argue that Funimation over-saturated the market with releases, but that didn't mean anyone HAD to buy them. And lets not kid ourselves here...Funimation will definitely release another version eventually...we all know this. LOL I'm definitely not going to insult anyone who has bought this release. but I'm not going to talk down to anyone and say ''You're not a realll fannnn'' LOL

It is absolute trash..
People would have supported the level sets if they actually knew about them.. up until recently i i thought they were just a blu ray release of the orange bricks.

[JohnnyCashKami]

Some screenshot comparisons from the new screenshots. I'm doing youtube vs youtube
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF01NNNU
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/GKWGNNNX

What do you use to download YouTube videos? Please tell me it's not thru some website because that's one of the worst ways possible.

Use YouTube-DL, IDM or JD2 but the first option is definitely the best.

It's because the Level Sets' Vegeta Smashing the Scouter screenshot looks highly compressed and I've seen that YouTube isn't even that bad.