Koitsukai wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 2:07 pm
I was rewatching the Broly movie and I was wondering: If the super saiyan form of their fusion is above their SSB forms, would that mean that a hypothetical SSB from the Buu arc would be below Super Vegito, just like stronger versions of Goku and Vegeta were weaker than Super Gogeta in the movie? and if SS3 Goku from the Janemba movie would go SSB, he would too be weaker than Super Gogeta? even SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta wouldn't inflict as much damage to Buu-han as Super Vegito?
Fusions in Z were the strongest you could get, nobody on their own could reach that level, and I know we were told at the beginning of Super that the god forms could now do just that and surpass that benchmark and logically SS Blue would kill Vegito but then we even have base Gogeta doing better than SS Blue Goku.
In the FT arc, Goku managed to hurt Zamasu as a SSB, so Super Vegito would've been enough to control the fight by DBS Broly movie standards, right? even if not, Vegito Blue should right out toy with his enemy. But that was not the case.
So am I correct to say that Z Super Vegito would defeat Z SSBlue Goku? or am I missing something? The only change I see is that the saiyans got way stronger and have god ki and so should their fusion, but just as their strongest iterations fused had the edge over them, a "weaker" iteration should mantain the same pattern, right?
1. "If the super saiyan form of their fusion is above their SSB forms, would that mean that a hypothetical SSB from the Buu arc would be below Super Vegito"
That depends on how big of a multiplier SSB is in general.
2. "Fusions in Z were the strongest you could get, nobody on their own could reach that level, and I know we were told at the beginning of Super that the god forms could now do just that and surpass that benchmark and logically SS Blue would kill Vegito but then we even have base Gogeta doing better than SS Blue Goku."
You are forgetting that Fusion itself is a multiplier, not a fixed tier of power. Finger Fusion is A x B, while Potara is A x B x Rival Boost (which varies due to the partner's characters). That's why Base Vegito in the Buu arc was stronger than SSJ3 Goku and stronger than SSB Goku in the Black arc, why Base Kefla in the ToP was stronger than Mastered Berzerk Kale and why Base Gogeta in DBS Broly was stronger than Post-ToP SSB Goku.
3. "In the FT arc, Goku managed to hurt Zamasu as a SSB, so Super Vegito would've been enough to control the fight by DBS Broly movie standards, right? even if not, Vegito Blue should right out toy with his enemy. But that was not the case."
Merged Zamasu was not at max power when he fought SSBKKx10 Goku. It was only when M.Zamasu strikes himself with a the Lightning of Absolution and gains the purple arm is when he becomes powerful enough that Goku & Vegeta have to fuse to beat him.
4. "So am I correct to say that Z Super Vegito would defeat Z SSBlue Goku? or am I missing something? The only change I see is that the saiyans got way stronger and have god ki and so should their fusion, but just as their strongest iterations fused had the edge over them, a "weaker" iteration should mantain the same pattern, right?"
Yes, SSJ1 Z-Vegito would be much stronger than SSB Z-Goku due to the fusion formula (Base fusions tend to always be stronger than their individual halves' strongest natural transformation. The only exception to this seems to be MUI, which seems like a much bigger multiplier than SSB Fusion.)