No offense, but this a fallacy known as arguing from ignorance:Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:25 pmDestroying the universe with a few shockwaves, that’s off the chart for Dragon Ball villains. They have a goal and never do most efficient way to get into that point, never.Helios518 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:59 pm1) How is that off the chart? Omega's entire goal was to destroy the universe. If you were talking about someone like Freeza who just wants to conquer, then the "off the chart" would make sense. Even if you want to make the excuse that he's playing around, then he wouldn't have bother with the convoluted plan to destroy the universe. Besides the burden of proof is on you that he's capable of destroying the universe with a few punches.Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:43 pm
Dragon Ball villains usually are stronger than the heroes and they like to play around with them, giving time to the heroes to come up with something to beat them. That’s why the evil Majin Boo is promoted to be the most dangerous, because he doesn’t have that weakness. So, I ask again, why Omega Shenron would intend something so off the chart?
Everyone safely assumes SSBlue can do as much as SSGod without seeing him doing it, yet they demand evidence that GT characters do it, despite being made very clear that SS4 is also much stronger than SS3 (to an unknown degree). I don’t understand this fandom.
2) You're comparing apples to oranges. SSB is literally the step-above SSG in the show, so we know that it can do that. While SS4 doesn't even exist in the same continuity as SSG, and so they don't share the same feats. Sure, SS4 is much stronger than SS3 but saying that SS4 is capable of the universe feat when it has more going against that than not, and 3 was only solar system level is a hard-sell.
I will make this easier. SSBlue is stronger than SSGod to an unknown degree. SSGod is stronger than SS3 to an unknown degree. SS4 is stronger than SS3 to an unknown degree. How do you know SSGod and SSBlue are stronger than SS4? You don’t. If GT were to be revised today, the author can write that SS4 can do all that stuff that SSGod and SSBlue are capable of, that it wouldn’t really change anything.
IMO, there is a blatant similarity between SS4 and Broli’s savage form. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were comparable in strength.
An argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), or appeal to ignorance ('ignorance' stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It says something is true because it has not yet been proved false. Or, that something is false if it has not yet been proved true. This is also called a negative proof fallacy. This also includes the (false) assumption there are only two options (true or false).
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argum ... _ignorance
In the case of Super Saiyan 4, it has no feats proving that it can destroy a universe, or even a galaxy for that matter. In comparison, it was outright stated by the narrator and even Whis and the Beerus and Super Saiyan God Goku were hitting with the force that can destroy a universe. Not just shockwaves would destroy the universe.
So in this case, the burden is on you to prove that Super Saiyan 4 can do such feats, not for us to prove Super Saiyan 4 can't do them because they were never shown.