The grade multipliers

[Mad Swami]

In Dragon Ball I would argue the hardest period to assign power levels to would be the Cell saga. Primarily thanks to the Super Saiyan grades shown in the saga. These grades have been really hard to apply a multiplier to. The forms were also a interesting take for they were not completely positive and had the draw back of speed decrease. So what if these forms actually reveal how multiplying power in Dragon Ball works. What I'm referring to is a rough thought I recently had upon thinking. What if for complete accuracy in most transformations you have to divide it's multiplier into Speed and Strength. So for instance ssj1 has a x50 multiplier, but what if that 50 was divided into two categories like a point system in a video game. So here is what my thoughts are
SSJ1(grade 1/initial)-Strengthx30 and Speedx20
SSJ1(grade 2)-Strengthx35 and speedx15
SSJ1(grade 3)-Strengthx50 and Speedx0
SSJ1 (grade 4/mastered)-Strengthx25 and Speedx25
SSJ2-Strengthx50 and Speedx50
SSJ3-Strengthx200 and Speedx200
Now this thought process obviously has issues. I believe it's hard to work the sort of prototype Super Saiyan along with Grade 2 being a little tricky but Grade 3 is what makes me think this isn't the worst way to judge these forms. In the manga once Gohan goes ssj2 Trunks says "Incredible, he has found a way to upgrade super saiyan with no drawbacks" or something along those lines. When Trunks says this, it seems as though he is essentially saying ssj2 in terms of strength is equivalent to grade 3 just a better form, faster. Not to mention after Trunks fights Perfect Cell in that form Cell admits Trunks is indeed stronger. So if that's the case then this method works quite nicely. I don't know let me know what you all think

[Koitsukai]

Ok, I'll buy, I like this grade multipliers. I might have grade 3 like 45 strenght and 5 speed, I feel 0 speed seems too far and also a little nod to SS2 having access to the actual full power.
Aside from that, I like it and I don't think there is anything that can contradict this. Nothing that can prove it either but as headcanon it works just fine and I'll adopt it myself.

[Mad Swami]

Ok, I'll buy, I like this grade multipliers. I might have grade 3 like 45 strenght and 5 speed, I feel 0 speed seems too far and also a little nod to SS2 having access to the actual full power.
Aside from that, I like it and I don't think there is anything that can contradict this. Nothing that can prove it either but as headcanon it works just fine and I'll adopt it myself.

Hey thanks man glad you enjoyed the thought and I would agree there is probably a better way to divvy up the multiplier this was simply my attempt

[Koitsukai]

Maybe this sort of theory can be used on SSB too.
We know SSB Vegeta from late FT arc after the ROSAT is way stronger than his early arc self which was sort of the standard SSB form. And by the ToP he unlocks SSBE while Goku has enough control over the form to use 20xKK too.

Perhaps the manga is better suited for this type of analysis because without KK the form can show its "grades" without external factors, like regular SSB, the mastered form Goku showcased vs Zamasu and also Vegeta fought Beerus, and the even stronger form or whatever Vegeta damaged Jiren with.

[Mad Swami]

Maybe this sort of theory can be used on SSB too.
We know SSB Vegeta from late FT arc after the ROSAT is way stronger than his early arc self which was sort of the standard SSB form. And by the ToP he unlocks SSBE while Goku has enough control over the form to use 20xKK too.

Perhaps the manga is better suited for this type of analysis because without KK the form can show its "grades" without external factors, like regular SSB, the mastered form Goku showcased vs Zamasu and also Vegeta fought Beerus, and the even stronger form or whatever Vegeta damaged Jiren with.

not a bad thought

[p-hyvo]

Well , grades have to be stronger than normal ssj as a multiplier. Simply do grade 2 = x60 or x62,5, and grade 3 = grade 2 X1,5 that's perfect.
Also, i forgot ti Say that grade 2 appears ti be quicker than standard ssj other than stronger, the only form with the Speed issue Is grade 3

[Mad Swami]

Well , grades have to be stronger than normal ssj as a multiplier. Simply do grade 2 = x60 or x62,5, and grade 3 = grade 2 X1,5 that's perfect.
Also, i forgot ti Say that grade 2 appears ti be quicker than standard ssj other than stronger, the only form with the Speed issue Is grade 3

Grade 2 I don't think can be faster because then over all the form would have little downside other than stamina but I feel as though grade 4 needs more than just stamina