"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[DiscountDabi]

Wow -.- Merus, how obvious

Would be nice for that lazy bum Beerus to do something but apparently they are willing to kill characters off just so he doesn't do anything again

I disagree. Beerus coming in to fight Moro would be the same story wise as Zeno coming in and killing him. Neither have been built up and its not Beerus’s place. It’d be underwelming.

[FishermanJohnWest]

Wow -.- Merus, how obvious

Would be nice for that lazy bum Beerus to do something but apparently they are willing to kill characters off just so he doesn't do anything again

I disagree. Beerus coming in to fight Moro would be the same story wise as Zeno coming in and killing him. Neither have been built up and its not Beerus’s place.

But Beerus is constantly used as a measuring stick for any opponents, it's time for Beerus to do something. It's his job, he even said this in chapter 15 that Beerus from the future should erase Zamasu cause he is going around killing for no reason

[HeroR]

Wow -.- Merus, how obvious

Would be nice for that lazy bum Beerus to do something but apparently they are willing to kill characters off just so he doesn't do anything again

I disagree. Beerus coming in to fight Moro would be the same story wise as Zeno coming in and killing him. Neither have been built up and its not Beerus’s place. It’d be underwelming.

It is Beerus' job to kill mortal like Moro, so much so that the Super manga actually said he should have bene the one to kill Majin Buu. The reasons why U7's mortal rating is in the toilet is because Beerus didn't do his job and he was nearly erased for it. So, it's actually odd that after he nearly got erased that he still choses not to do his job. It verges on too dumb to live.

[DiscountDabi]

Wow -.- Merus, how obvious

Would be nice for that lazy bum Beerus to do something but apparently they are willing to kill characters off just so he doesn't do anything again

I disagree. Beerus coming in to fight Moro would be the same story wise as Zeno coming in and killing him. Neither have been built up and its not Beerus’s place.

But Beerus is constantly used as a measuring stick for any opponents, it's time for Beerus to do something. It's his job, he even said this in chapter 15 that Beerus from the future should erase Zamasu cause he is going around killing for no reason

Yes Beerus should to do something to a Villain one day. But now is definitely not the time. Have a Villian that was an old rival of Beerus in training to be a GoD. Have a Rematch of Goku and Beerus. Anything else. Moro is not the time.

It is Beerus' job to kill mortal like Moro, so much so that the Super manga actually said he should have bene the one to kill Majin Buu. The reasons why U7's mortal rating is in the toilet is because Beerus didn't do his job and he was nearly erased for it. So, it's actually odd that after he nearly got erased that he still choses not to do his job. It verges on too dumb to live.

Thats not a good reason. When Zamasu killed all the Gods and polluted the Universe with his clones (in the manga) it became Zeno’s Responcibilty to fix it. That doesn’t make it any less narritivley idiotic.

[HeroR]

I disagree. Beerus coming in to fight Moro would be the same story wise as Zeno coming in and killing him. Neither have been built up and its not Beerus’s place.

But Beerus is constantly used as a measuring stick for any opponents, it's time for Beerus to do something. It's his job, he even said this in chapter 15 that Beerus from the future should erase Zamasu cause he is going around killing for no reason

Yes Beerus should to do something to a Villain one day. But now is definitely not the time. Have a Villian that was an old rival of Beerus in training to be a GoD. Have a Rematch of Goku and Beerus. Anything else. Moro is not the time.

It is Beerus' job to kill mortal like Moro, so much so that the Super manga actually said he should have bene the one to kill Majin Buu. The reasons why U7's mortal rating is in the toilet is because Beerus didn't do his job and he was nearly erased for it. So, it's actually odd that after he nearly got erased that he still choses not to do his job. It verges on too dumb to live.

Thats not a good reason. When Zamasu killed all the Gods and polluted the Universe with his clones (in the manga) it became Zeno’s Responcibilty to fix it. That doesn’t make it any less narritivley idiotic.

What excuse? It is literally Beerus’ job as laid out by both the anime and the manga. He’s supposed to kill beings like Moro and his failure to do his job nearly got him and his universe erased. Those are the facts. So Beerus still not doing his job after he barely survived the TOP paints him as too dumb to live.

Also, not sure how something set up in the middle of the arc with Zeno is ‘narratively idiotic’. Especially when the entire situation with Zamasu was quite literally the gods’ fault.

[DiscountDabi]

What excuse? It is literally Beerus’ job as laid out by both the anime and the manga. He’s supposed to kill beings like Moro and his failure to do his job nearly got him and his universe erased. Those are the facts. So Beerus still not doing his job after he barely survived the TOP paints him as too dumb to live.

Also, not sure how something set up in the middle of the arc with Zeno is ‘narratively idiotic’. Especially when the entire situation with Zamasu was quite literally the gods’ fault.

Because if Beerus just comes in and takes out every significant threat the stakes take a massive hit. One of the many complaints about Super is that Beerus and Whis being around kills tension. Having Beerus come in and be there in Resurrection F basically told everyone “There are no stakes. Beerus wont let Frieza destroy earth and such nothing is going to happen to anyone”.

Secondly, even with the asspull spirit sword Trunks taking out Zamasu was Narratively sound. Its his home, its his timeline, he should be the one to save it. In comes Zeno to erase the whole timeline and make the entire thing the arc had been working towards entirely pointless. The entire arc up to that point becomes rendered useless when Zeno comes in and destroys the entire timeline.

No amount of “Its his job” will fix that.

[OLKv3]

Summary says Dende is there too, and Merus destroyed Moro's barrier so he can heal everyone. Guess Merus is just stalling, which is much better

[ZombieVito]

Is it me or is it odd that Piccolo is leading the attack with Gohan isntead of 17? Piccolo is suppose to be a lot weaker than him.

[omaro34]

Piccolo dies again. Lmao

[omaro34]

Is it me or is it odd that Piccolo is leading the attack with Gohan isntead of 17? Piccolo is suppose to be a lot weaker than him.

I guess piccolo trained for those 2 months really hard hahaha. I don't take power scaling seriously.

Although everyone got one shotted, seems like the Androids seem like an afterthought with the way they were one shotted. Didn't even bother looking at them.

Then again, Piccolo gets one shotted by his own move, lmao

[Noitsnothim]

Summary says Dende is there too, and Merus destroyed Moro's barrier so he can heal everyone. Guess Merus is just stalling, which is much better

Stalling or not Merus being there can be a huge problem (Moro doesn't know Merus' true Identity) he only knows him as the Galactic Patrol Agent who was on Namek that apprehended him before

if he were to grab Merus then they'd all be in trouble because

Spoiler:

Whenever Moro73 copies an ability it is now theirs forever

then Beerus will need to get involved

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Summary says Dende is there too, and Merus destroyed Moro's barrier so he can heal everyone. Guess Merus is just stalling, which is much better

Stalling or not Merus being there can be a huge problem (Moro doesn't know Merus' true Identity) he only knows him as the Galactic Patrol Agent who was on Namek that apprehended him before

if he were to grab Merus then they'd all be in trouble because

Spoiler:

Whenever Moro73 copies an ability it is now theirs forever

then Beerus will need to get involved

I feel like the only way Merus would get grabbed would be if Merus fucking let him. There is no logical reason Moro should be able to get the better of Merus, that would be utter nonsense. Merus could probably kill him instantly, grabbing Merus will be damn near impossible.Maybe if Merus felt it was necessary to drag Beerus into the fight, but I fail to see how Merus would get taken off guard by Moro. The only way he's getting Merus is if Merus lets him for whatever reason.

Even if he had Merus's power set, I feel Beerus will jump into the fray to even the odds since Merus isn't allowed to do anything.

[HeroR]

What excuse? It is literally Beerus’ job as laid out by both the anime and the manga. He’s supposed to kill beings like Moro and his failure to do his job nearly got him and his universe erased. Those are the facts. So Beerus still not doing his job after he barely survived the TOP paints him as too dumb to live.

Also, not sure how something set up in the middle of the arc with Zeno is ‘narratively idiotic’. Especially when the entire situation with Zamasu was quite literally the gods’ fault.

Because if Beerus just comes in and takes out every significant threat the stakes take a massive hit. One of the many complaints about Super is that Beerus and Whis being around kills tension. Having Beerus come in and be there in Resurrection F basically told everyone “There are no stakes. Beerus wont let Frieza destroy earth and such nothing is going to happen to anyone”.

Secondly, even with the asspull spirit sword Trunks taking out Zamasu was Narratively sound. Its his home, its his timeline, he should be the one to save it. In comes Zeno to erase the whole timeline and make the entire thing the arc had been working towards entirely pointless. The entire arc up to that point becomes rendered useless when Zeno comes in and destroys the entire timeline.

No amount of “Its his job” will fix that.

Then make the threat stronger than Beerus. Not my fault the manga and anime said it was Beerus’ job to kill evil mortals and we got an entire arc dedicated to showing the consequences of his failure. As the saying goes, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

You can complain about ‘lack of tension’, but this entire arc lacks tension regardless since everything points to Moro still being inferior to Beerus, so the universe isn’t even in real danger even if Moro kills everyone on Earth and make sure the characters can’t be revived. Beerus can erased Moro and everyone we care about will be dead, boo hoo. Life goes on.

And Zamasu was never Trunks or the mortals’ problem. Zamasu only happened because the gods failed and the Mortal was left to clean the mess. The entire timeline could have been saved if Zeno and the gods did what they were supposed to do. Saying it was all up to Trunks changes the narrative into something it isn’t. Especially when Trunks himself said it isn’t about mortals and gods.

[Matches Malone]

Summary says Dende is there too, and Merus destroyed Moro's barrier so he can heal everyone. Guess Merus is just stalling, which is much better

That's great to know, as it increases the chances of Goku and Vegeta cleaning up this mess, as they should. I think the main goal will be to separate him, as taking him down at this level is impossible.

[Peach]

Is this available in English yet?

[DiscountDabi]

Spoiler:

What excuse? It is literally Beerus’ job as laid out by both the anime and the manga. He’s supposed to kill beings like Moro and his failure to do his job nearly got him and his universe erased. Those are the facts. So Beerus still not doing his job after he barely survived the TOP paints him as too dumb to live.

Also, not sure how something set up in the middle of the arc with Zeno is ‘narratively idiotic’. Especially when the entire situation with Zamasu was quite literally the gods’ fault.

Because if Beerus just comes in and takes out every significant threat the stakes take a massive hit. One of the many complaints about Super is that Beerus and Whis being around kills tension. Having Beerus come in and be there in Resurrection F basically told everyone “There are no stakes. Beerus wont let Frieza destroy earth and such nothing is going to happen to anyone”.

Secondly, even with the asspull spirit sword Trunks taking out Zamasu was Narratively sound. Its his home, its his timeline, he should be the one to save it. In comes Zeno to erase the whole timeline and make the entire thing the arc had been working towards entirely pointless. The entire arc up to that point becomes rendered useless when Zeno comes in and destroys the entire timeline.

No amount of “Its his job” will fix that.

Then make the threat stronger than Beerus. Not my fault the manga and anime said it was Beerus’ job to kill evil mortals and we got an entire arc dedicated to showing the consequences of his failure. As the saying goes, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

You can complain about ‘lack of tension’, but this entire arc lacks tension regardless since everything points to Moro still being inferior to Beerus, so the universe isn’t even in real danger even if Moro kills everyone on Earth and make sure the characters can’t be revived. Beerus can erased Moro and everyone we care about will be dead, boo hoo. Life goes on.

And Zamasu was never Trunks or the mortals’ problem. Zamasu only happened because the gods failed and the Mortal was left to clean the mess. The entire timeline could have been saved if Zeno and the gods did what they were supposed to do. Saying it was all up to Trunks changes the narrative into something it isn’t. Especially when Trunks himself said it isn’t about mortals and gods.

The problem still stands, unless these threats are astronomically stronger than Beerus (which in that case Goku and Vegeta have no chance) then he slaps them. If he is even close to Beerus’s level it would be a problem of the fact that Beerus is still taking out every threat and it ruins the story. That is a problem that can’t be solved other than Beerus kicking the bucket.

Secondly, this arc has tension simply because Beerus isn’t involved. And seeing as how the main characters dying is a “Boo Hoo” to you, I’d guess you don’t feel tension at all because you know the story won’t let them die.

Thirdly, you kinda refuted yourself on that last point. He’s right, its not about Gods and Mortals. Its about right and wrong. And its wrong what Zamasu was doing and he was doing the right thing in trying to stop him. The problem with Zeno coming in is that he could have done that at the start of the arc and litterally nothing changes. And if Beerus comes in and takes out Beerus it will mean that everything in the arc from Ui Omen to Spirit Separation would be for nothing.

I couldn’t care less if it’s Beerus’s job or not. It would ruin the arc.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Is this available in English yet?

Tomorrow it will be.

[GodVegetto91]

Summary says Dende is there too, and Merus destroyed Moro's barrier so he can heal everyone. Guess Merus is just stalling, which is much better

Stalling or not Merus being there can be a huge problem (Moro doesn't know Merus' true Identity) he only knows him as the Galactic Patrol Agent who was on Namek that apprehended him before

if he were to grab Merus then they'd all be in trouble because

Spoiler:

Whenever Moro73 copies an ability it is now theirs forever

then Beerus will need to get involved

Why? So he can grab Beerus’ neck and become a REAL threat?! No thanks. Having the power of Beerus + Hakai is an instant death for our heroes.

Best to let Whis take care of it. He has Ultra Instinct, so Moro-73 won’t be able to hit his neck.

I know the Angel laws are a thing and all, but maybe Whis can arrange something with the Grand Priest!

[Zamasu55]

Summary says Dende is there too, and Merus destroyed Moro's barrier so he can heal everyone. Guess Merus is just stalling, which is much better

Knew it.

[emperior]

Seems like Merus just wants to stall but I still expect him to use his true power.

I can’t see what everyone, even at full power, can do unless Goku achieves the complete Ultra Instinct.
Maybe with Merus’ help an; they could all do something to immobilize Moro so Vegeta can defuse him, but I am not expecting something like this to happen.

Merus will be forced to sacrifice himself.