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Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135

Post by Robo4900 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am

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Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone between and beyond, and welcome to week 30 of the first Dragon Ball rewatch of the decade.
We're doing five episodes a week, and we'll be watching every single episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT. All 508 episodes. Plus the TV specials and the movies.
I encourage you all to watch in Japanese with subtitles, especially if you have never done so before, but watch along in whichever way brings you the most joy.

The end of Goku's childhood is at hand. What once came as a shock to everyone, now is entirely unsurprising, because we all know how Goku looks and sounds as an adult. :P
But in any case, we're on the home stretch of the original Dragon Ball. In just three weeks, we'll be in the Z portion of the story. Of course, this split is entirely arbitrary, and will in fact take place in the middle of that week's viewing, but still.

Previous thread: Week 29 (DB movie 3)
Next thread: Week 31 (DB 136-140)

Anyway, without further ado...

Episode 131 - Each On His Own Path
Dub title: Walking Their Own Ways / Heading Out On Their Own
Originally aired 26th of October 1988

Episode director: Mitsuo Hashimoto
Animation supervisor: Yukio Ebisawa


Goku trains by playing tag with Popo, but the blindfolded Popo catches Goku with extreme ease. This time Goku is “it,” but he can’t catch Popo at all. Popo tells him to search out his opponent using ki, but… As Tenshinhan and the others aim for the Karin Holy Land, they stop by a village that’s bustling with people due to a festival. But the mountain that the village reveres as a god erupts, and the magma endangers the village. Tenshinhan stands up to stop the magma in order to save the village, but…

Anime-only/filler content: All filler.

Episode 132 - Hotter Than Magma
Dub title: Hotter Than Lava / Hotter Than Magma!
Originally aired 2nd of November 1988

Episode director: Minoru Okazaki
Animation supervisor: Minoru Maeda


Goku continues his training of playing tag with Popo, but he is completely unable to catch Popo. It seems that Goku needs much more training on how to sense ki. Meanwhile, after setting out to face the magma, Tenshinhan and the others try to alter its course, but fail! Yamcha goes even further and destroys a lake, and the flowing water hardens the magma, but the eruption is constantly growing more and more intense. Tenshinhan and the others combine their power and fire their respective special attacks!! This somehow holds back the magma, and the village is protected.

Anime-only/filler content: Completely filler.

Episode 133 - The Reunion Before the Storm
Dub title: Changes / Reunion Before A Storm
Originally aired 9th of November 1988

Episode director: Yoshihiro Ueda
Animation supervisor: Katsumi Aoshima


Three years after Piccolo Daimaō was defeated, Kame-Sen’nin, Bulma, and the others wait for Goku’s arrival in front of the registration area for the 23rd Tenka’ichi Budōkai. Goku shows up there, having grown so much as to be unrecognizable! After arriving right before registration closes, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, and the others initially don’t recognize Goku either. Having shared a joyful reunion, they all spend the night in a hotel. The next day at the Tenka’ichi Budōkai preliminary grounds, Goku discovers Piccolo’s doppelganger, Ma Junior!!

Anime-only/filler content: The Dragon Ball Gang wondering where the other Z fighters are, the night filler at the hotel and Majunior saving the mother and child from the clocktower debris.

Episode 134 - Troubles at the Tenka’ichi Budōkai
Dub title: Preliminary Peril / The Tournament Begins
Originally aired 16th of November 1988

Episode director: Kazuhisa Takenōchi
Animation supervisor: Masayuki Uchiyama


At the preliminary grounds, a beautiful girl comes up to talk to Goku. It seems she knows Goku, but she gets angry at him when he doesn’t recognize her. The curtain finally rises on the preliminaries! Separated into different blocks through Chiaotzu’s psychic powers, Tenshinhan and the others advance along well. Goku also displays the fruit of his training by defeating King Chapa, who he fought at the previous tournament, with only a single karate chop! Amid all this, Chiaotzu is defeated. His opponent is Tao Pai-pai, who Goku previously defeated and who has now become a cyborg!!

Anime-only/filler content: Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu talking about Ma-Junior via telepathy, Oolong and Puar relaying news of the Dragon Ball Gang, yet another flashback to Goku defeating Tao.

Episode 135 - The Eight Chosen People
Dub title: Battle of the Eight / The Final Eight
Originally aired 23rd of November 1988

Episode director: Mitsuo Hashimoto
Animation supervisor: Mitsuo Shindō


The preliminaries result in Goku and the others, Ma Junior, and the mysterious girl all being selected to participate in the main tournament. The fight to determine the last participant is between a fat, masked man, and Shen, a man who gives the outward appearance of being unskilled. It looked like the masked man had the upper hand, but Shen’s head hits the man’s jaw as Shen turns around, and he wins!! The masked man was in fact Yajirobe, who had disguised himself. And thus the eight participants are finally decided!! The first match is between Tenshinhan and Cyborg Tao Pai-pai, the younger brother of Tenshinhan’s master Tsuru-Sen’nin!

Anime-only/filler content: The crowd trying to enter the gymnasium, the Gang discovering Chaiotzu is being taken to the hospital, Yajirobe fighting the fisticuffer, Shen almost missing his matching because he was in the bathroom, Roshi and Bulma stressing over Chaiotzu's injuries.

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Interesting trivia:
  • Mint refers to the village elder as her grandfather in the official subtitles, whereas she only refers to him as the village elder in the dubs. I'm no expert, but I don't think this is necessarily an error in the dubs; I think this might just be a case of different translators interpreting certain words a little differently in ways that are perfectly acceptable. Sounds like a pretty huge difference, just looking at the dialogue in English, but as I'm given to understand it, the word she uses to refer to him can either mean a wise elder, or your grandfather... Again, I'm not totally sure, but I thought I should make a note of it. Presumably MyVisionity will have some further insights into this.
  • Speaking of dub differences, Blue Water's dub handled the festival in episode 131 quite interestingly... The old man says "Come, sit, today is a day of feasting and drinking!" Which is fairly accurate, then Yamucha says "Okay" and Kuririn says "I'm thirsty", just about getting the "Drinking" crap past the radar... Then, in the next scene, the subs has a guy offers Kuririn a drink, but he says he's underage; the guy says it's just juice, so Kuririn drinks it up... And the implication is that, in fact, it was far more than just juice... In the Blue Water dub, the guy says that the people of the village made this drink, Kuririn asks if he's sure it won't make him sick, and the guy clarifies "It's kinda like a homemade energy drink. Just drink it fast!" Kuririn approves, and drinks it... Then goes red for some reason. Not the worst censorship the Blue Water dub would try, but certainly not the best. Funimation's dub, meanwhile, removes the references do drinking in the scene with the elder, then essentially follows the Japanese quite closely with the scene between Kuririn and the guy offering him a drink; Kuririn says he's too young, the guy then says "It's my own homemade root beer", Kuririn takes the drink, then turns red.
  • Because Yamucha, Kuririn, Ten, and Chiaotzu is a lot to type out, we'll refer to the fighting characters as the Dragon Team for convenience. "Dragon Ball Gang" is used for the non-martial arts characters like Bulma, Puar and Launch, but this does encompass the Dragon Team if they're present, such as in the finals of this tournament.
  • Ten suggesting Kuririn and Yamucha learn flight is an allusion to Kuririn's match against Ma-Junior where he demonstrates knowing how to use it. That event had long since happened in the manga, which by this point was up to Goku and Piccolo fighting Raditz.
  • The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai could be considered the earliest point the Dragon Team have properly assembled as a group. The fight against Daimao was only really Goku and Ten as a duo, and the Red Ribbon Army was mainly Goku. At the 23rd TB, the full fighting cast of Goku, Kuririn, Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Chaiotzu have finally come together (the only previous time was after the 22nd TB).
    • KBABZ had initially suggested we use "Z Fighters" to refer to the Dragon Team. The term "Z Fighters" is never used within the manga itself, nor do any characters use it in the anime, although Funi's dubs often called them the "Z Warriors". In the Japanese manga and anime, there are episode titles and narration that use "Dragon Team" in similar places to where Funi use "Z Warriors", however.
  • As you might guess, the storyline of the Dragon Team trying to reach Karin's Tower is never actually resolved in the filler. We find out they made it when Kuririn reveals they all have Senzu Beans in Episode 135, proving they did it off-screen.
  • From Episode 133 on, Goku will never have a tail again, until the anime-only GT storyline, where he has one pulled out by the Kaioshins to help achieve Super Saiyan 4.
  • For dub-viewers, this is the last time until GT that you'll hear Goku voiced by Stephanie Nadolny in the Funi dub, or Zoe Slusar in the Blue Water/Ocean dubs; replaced by Sean Schemmel in Funi, and Jeffrey Watson in Blue Water. Interestingly, while this is also true in release order in the Funi dub (that is, Stephanie Nadolny voiced Goku in DB first, then the role ended, then she later played Goku again in GT), Zoe Slusar had already recorded all of GT before playing Goku in DB, so anyone who watches the Blue Water dub of GT when we get there will find Slusar sounds quite different in the early episodes to how she sounded in DB, as she's still finding the voice at first. Additionally, while Funimation used the same voice as their adult Goku, Schemmel, Blue Water actually chose to not have Jeremiah Yurk reprise his role as adult/Super Saiyan 4 Goku that he'd played in GT, instead choosing to cast Jeffrey Watson. Given how odd Schemmel sounds in these episodes, perhaps Funimation should have made a similar choice.
  • After this timeskip, seven years have passed since Goku first met Bulma. Goku is now 18 and Bulma is 23.
  • This is the first time Bulma has been visibly aged through her character design. Bulma is the only character in the franchise who appears to age progressively throughout the story; all other characters such as Goku, Kuririn, Chichi, and Trunks have "age jumps".
    • Although Bulma would suddenly age backwards, visually, by a huge amount in Super.
  • By this point, Goku has acquired his full, most iconic outfit design, though slightly differently-coloured. He now has a black undershirt with big boots, aquired by training with God (naturally, in the Saiyan arc, the gi itself will become more orange, and the black undershirt will become blue to match the shoes and armbands). Kuririn and Yamucha do not gain these additions, even after they also train with God in the Saiyan Arc: They stick with no undershirt and shoes. The change of undershirt colour (as well as the symbol changing a few times), Goku's outfit here is what he'll wear throughout most of the rest of the original run, all the way up until Z episode 287 (though we'll see him wear it one more time after this, in Z movie 13. Spoilers for where I'm putting that movie in the viewing order, I guess).
  • Goku never wears his turbaned outfit ever again, nor is it explained why exactly he's dressed like that; it's only to reveal to the characters that he's grown into a man. It's implied however that his last part of training with God was to do so in the world and travel, like Roshi ordered him to at the end of the RRA Arc.
    • Yamucha's scars are also never explained, but again it's implied he gained them while training out in the world. It's possible they were added along with Goku's boots and undershirt to help the two look more distinctive in the black-and-white manga, where they have similar heights and would otherwise look very similar.
  • Yamucha also regains his long hair in episode 133, not seen since it was cut short in episode 19. He will keep his long hair until the Artificial Humans arc begins.
  • Episode 133 marks the final change in ending credits visuals in OG Dragon Ball. Unlike the previous changes in ED visuals, this time not a single shot from the previous endings is kept. Sadly, this set of ending visuals only lasts for 21 episodes. (Probably the Toei staff weren't expecting the shuffle-around of staff and the big rebrand to Z at this point, so they expected these visuals to at least mostly last into the next arc)
    • As with all the OP and ED changes, Funimation's version ignores it and just sticks with the original, even if you watch in Japanese with subs. For the dub track, this is somewhat understandable, as Toei never provided them with textless versions of the other OPs/EDs. (Though textless versions almost certainly do still exist; Toei are just pretty bad at keeping track of this kind of material)
  • Episode 133 also marks the first time music from DB movie 3 would be used in the series.
  • As implied by Kuririn's reaction, this is the first time he's seen Goku since he left to retrieve his Dragon Ball and Nyoi-Bo at the end of the 22nd TB.
  • Roshi telling Ten that he has no intention of fighting as Jackie Chun could be considered the true point at which he's retired from practicing martial arts.
  • The short scene of Ma-Junior saving the mother and child from the falling debris may be alluding to his turn after Raditz; by this point in the manga he defeated Raditz and had taken Gohan with him, the first point he decides not to be explicitly evil.
  • Yamucha and Kuririn don't react to Ma-Junior in the gymnasium because they never actually laid eyes on Daimao (young or old), and thus have no idea what he looks like. One wonders how they never managed to see him in the news on TV in the aftermath of his defeat; perhaps they were too busy training?
  • Sadly, Chichi has now gained her hair-trigger temper. -_-
  • There are 72 competitors for the 23rd TB, meaning 64 of them will be knocked out by the time the Finals get under way.
  • Chiaotzu rigs the tournament draw numbers for the second time. The next tournament we see will actually have a fair numbers draw, but the one following it will not, meaning that the majority of tournament draws we see in the original run are rigged (though we don't actually see the numbers draw in the GT tournament episode).
  • Goku's fight with Chapa-o is the earliest point ki suppression is demonstrated, which will of course become a major factor when Scouters are introduced in the Saiyan and Namek arcs. This also implies that Kuririn, Yamucha and Tenshinhan have also mastered detecting ki (possibly through Karin), something Goku didn't learn until training with God and Mr. Popo.
  • It is never actually revealed how Tao Pai-Pai was revived and turned into a cyborg. In his death, we see a flash of light and a fiery cloud with heavy implications that he was disintegrated. Cyborg Tao's only visibly organic part is his mouth and jaw.
    • Cyborg Tao is also the correct terminology for what he is: Cyborg is a contraction of "Cybernetic organism." This should be the term used for #8, #17, #18, and #20 considering they are part robot and part organic; the dubs and manga tend to instead use the term Android, which is used for full robots that look like humans (which applies to Sergeant Mettallic, #16, and #19). The original Japanese word used to refer to all of Dr Gero's creations (including Cell) roughly translates to "Artificial People". The Simmons subs use "Artificial Humans", though how well this applies given Cell isn't exactly human is up for debate. We will meet cyborgs a couple more times in addition to this, when we meet mecha-Freeza and metal Coola.
  • Goku smiling while assessing the strength of Ma-Junior is the first time he's shown to be visibly excited about fighting a strong villain.
  • The 23rd TB is the only one in which the finalists all know Goku in some fashion (although this wasn't known considering Shen's secret isn't revealed until later).
  • The World Tournament Announcer has now gained a moustache, which he will keep for his next three appearances.
  • Bulma forcing Lunch to change from Blue to Yellow is final Lunch transformation in the manga. :(
Episode summaries, airdates, and titles courtesy of Kanzenshuu's episode guide. Filler breakdowns and Dragon Ball logo provided, and trivia co-written, by KBABZ.
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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:49 am

"Z Warrior" is used in the Japanese title for the Bardock special. I believe it was used other places as well.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:17 pm

So we begin the final stretch of the original series, and the transition of Goku from child to adult with one of my top favorite arcs. The gang's reunion in particular is my favorite moment especially with Tien, Chiaoutzu, Yamcha's and Krillin's last minute arrival.

Misc notes:

- The outfit and hair style that Bulma has in this arc is later worn by her again in DBZ movie 2.

- The scene in episode 133 where Piccolo saves the woman and her child from debris was obviously done as a hint that he isn't as evil as his father even though he is a reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, albeit with being a filler scene. As mentioned above the manga was already to the part in the Z portion of the story where he takes Gohan to train him by the time said episode aired in late 1988.

- Tao's return as a cyborg really is a confusing thing, because his defeat at Goku's hands back in the Red Ribbon arc surely wouldn't have given any indication that he'd come back.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:26 pm

I’m almost positive Z Senshi (or Z Warriors) predates Funimation using it circa season 3 of Z. Maybe it was a fandom term Funimation appropriated? In the first two original broadcast seasons of Z Funimation just referred to them as “Earth’s Special Defense Force”


Regardless, neither the Japanese version or Funimation’s dub refers to then as Z Warriors in Dragon Ball. Just the Dragon Ball team or something. But that also included Bulma, Oolong, and Puar.

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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by KBABZ » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:04 pm

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:17 pm - Tao's return as a cyborg really is a confusing thing, because his defeat at Goku's hands back in the Red Ribbon arc surely wouldn't have given any indication that he'd come back.
I agree it doesn't make any sense and Tao ultimately doesn't do anything except make Tien feel INCREDIBLY uncomfortable. But while the fight is ultimately devoid of tension, it's so gratifying seeing Tien utterly humiliate his former superior and morally stand above him when he resorts to blades in the ring. It really shows how much Tien has moved on from his past, and Tien mopping the floor with Tao and making him look like a desperate fool is really cathartic.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:12 pm

KBABZ wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:04 pm
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:17 pm - Tao's return as a cyborg really is a confusing thing, because his defeat at Goku's hands back in the Red Ribbon arc surely wouldn't have given any indication that he'd come back.
I agree it doesn't make any sense and Tao ultimately doesn't do anything except make Tien feel INCREDIBLY uncomfortable. But while the fight is ultimately devoid of tension, it's so gratifying seeing Tien utterly humiliate his former superior and morally stand above him when he resorts to blades in the ring. It really shows how much Tien has moved on from his past, and Tien mopping the floor with Tao and making him look like a desperate fool is really cathartic.
Yes, because it really looked like Tao was all but obliterated when Goku knocked that grenade he'd thrown back at him and his battle against Tien was pretty pathetic because even with his new form he's unable to provide that much of a significant challenge (His supposedly enhanced Dodonpa gets countered by Tien's karate shout. :lol:) with only laying that one single scratch on his chest then gets soundly thrashed afterward. That said, it was good to see him finally beating one of the guys (along with Crane Hermit by extension) both morally and physically who had set him on the wrong path all those years ago when he was younger before Roshi ultimately set him straight during the last Budokai.
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Post by KBABZ » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:25 pm

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:12 pm only laying one single scratch on his chest
You're kinda underselling the fact that Tien will keep that scar for the rest of his life. His later designs with the single-shoulder gi even emphasize this by always having the scar partially exposed.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:27 pm

KBABZ wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:25 pm
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:12 pm only laying one single scratch on his chest
You're kinda underselling the fact that Tien will keep that scar for the rest of his life. His later designs with the single-shoulder gi even emphasize this by always having the scar partially exposed.
I meant as in that's the only time Tao even gets a hit in on him during their battle whereas otherwise he pretty much gets utterly trashed both before and following that bit.
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Post by KBABZ » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pm

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:27 pm I meant as in that's the only time Tao even gets a hit in on him during their battle whereas otherwise he pretty much gets utterly trashed both before and following that bit.
Which for me is understated by the fact that Tao was using a dirty trick: it was a recessed weapon that was also against Tournament rules. The only time Tao gets a hit in is by cheating rather than a fair fight, and Tien is able to avoid everything else and down Tao in one punch.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:26 pm

KBABZ wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pm
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:27 pm I meant as in that's the only time Tao even gets a hit in on him during their battle whereas otherwise he pretty much gets utterly trashed both before and following that bit.
Which for me is understated by the fact that Tao was using a dirty trick: it was a recessed weapon that was also against Tournament rules. The only time Tao gets a hit in is by cheating rather than a fair fight, and Tien is able to avoid everything else and down Tao in one punch.
Exactly, the one time he did was by illegal means as weapons of any kind are not allowed during the matches. But of course given Tao's a ruthless assassin who only entered the tournament as a means by which to attempt to kill Tien and nothing more he was never going to fight fairly anyway.
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Post by MyVisionity » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:19 pm

Episodes 131 and 132

I'm not a fan of these last two filler episodes. I don't like the plot and it goes on for too long. It's almost like they realized they needed one more filler episode and stretched it out into two parts. "The volcano's erupting again lol!" plus the abrupt cut to the narrator and rushed ending makes it seem likely.

Episode 133

This is a great episode, maybe one of my favorites. Some of Dragon Ball's best work. The character moments just fall into place perfectly in this episode, right off the bat. Plus the artwork is a real treat.

I wonder why Toriyama decided to keep Kuririn from growing taller than he did.

I like the attention to detail in this episode, such as when Bulma hangs the teru-teru bouzu and you see Lunch coming out of the shower in the background of the shot.

The sequence with the boy in the rain at the clock tower introducing Ma Junior is really well done. The reworked "Yajirobe theme" music is effective here. I don't think that Piccolo was trying to save the mother and child, but protecting himself maybe.

Episode 134

I'm a fan of Chichi, so it's nice to see her reappear. I just ignore all those filler appearances.

I like Chiao Tzu's Victory sign to the camera after the others say how lucky it was for them to be spread out in the preliminary blocks.

Good to see my man Chapa back again. Nice way to show how much Goku has progressed. You almost feel sorry for poor Chapa!

Cyborg Taopaipai is one of my favorite character designs. I don't think it's particularly confusing how he came back. The explanation makes enough sense to me.

Episode 135

Not much to say about this episode.


I really like the fourth version of "Romantikku Ageru Yo". It's a great ending.

Robo4900 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am Mint refers to the village elder as her grandfather in the official subtitles, whereas she only refers to him as the village elder in the dubs. I'm no expert, but I don't think this is necessarily an error in the dubs; I think this might just be a case of different translators interpreting certain words a little differently in ways that are perfectly acceptable. Sounds like a pretty huge difference, just looking at the dialogue in English, but as I'm given to understand it, the word she uses to refer to him can either mean a wise elder, or your grandfather... Again, I'm not totally sure, but I thought I should make a note of it. Presumably MyVisionity will have some further insights into this.
Yeah the guy is most likely only the village elder and not a blood relative. The term she uses, ojiisama, is just a highly respectful way of addressing an elderly man.

Robo4900 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am KBABZ had initially suggested we use "Z Fighters" to refer to the Dragon Team. The term "Z Fighters" is never used within the manga itself, nor do any characters use it in the anime, although Funi's dubs often called them the "Z Warriors". In the Japanese manga and anime, there are episode titles and narration that use "Dragon Team" in similar places to where Funi use "Z Warriors", however.
"Dragon Team" is a name that applies to any of the main cast, including both the fighters and non-fighters such as Bulma, Oolong, Puar etc. "Z-Senshi/Z-Fighters/Z-Warriors" refers to the main group of fighters, although I believe this term is only used in the anime by the narrator and in episode titles.

Robo4900 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am After this timeskip, seven years have passed since Goku first met Bulma. Goku is now 18 and Bulma is 23.
Not to nitpick but Bulma should be 22 here. Although technically it's been seven years, the character ages were never stated to have been altered to reflect that initial year. In other words, Goku and Bulma were 12 and 16 at the beginning of the series and 12 and 16 just before the first timeskip during Uranai Baba.

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Post by KBABZ » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:50 pm

MyVisionity wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:19 pm
Robo4900 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am After this timeskip, seven years have passed since Goku first met Bulma. Goku is now 18 and Bulma is 23.
Not to nitpick but Bulma should be 22 here. Although technically it's been seven years, the character ages were never stated to have been altered to reflect that initial year. In other words, Goku and Bulma were 12 and 16 at the beginning of the series and 12 and 16 just before the first timeskip during Uranai Baba.
I'm the one who added this piece of Trivia and I stand by my calculations. The character's ages were never stated past Goku originally stating how old he was, and yet there are multiple clearly-defined timeskips. To figure out the ages, I used the following metrics:
  • +1 year for the start of the Red Ribbon Army arc so that the Dragon Balls are active again. This is one of the series' great plot holes because the timeskip during Roshi's Training was stated to be six months, but it HAS to be a year in order for the Dragon Balls to be active.
  • +3 years for the timeskip between the RRA and 22nd TB arcs.
  • +3 years for the timeskip between the Daimao and 23rd TB arcs.
  • = 7 years between the Pilaf Arc and the 23rd TB arc.
I could consider dropping Goku's age by a year though simply because he said he was 11 on the other side of the Roshi Training timeskip, which would logically mean he was 10 in the Pilaf Arc.

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Post by ArmenianPepsi » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:09 pm

Episode 133 is one of my favorite episodes bay far. The whole reunion with the main cast was wholesome. Especially when Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chaozu make their return, it felt genuine. It's one of those moments that makes you reflect on how far all these character's we've been watching change and develop have come up to this point.
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Post by KBABZ » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:33 pm

I probably should have added this to the Trivia, so here it goes:
  • Toriyama initially faced friction regarding aging up his characters at this point, Goku in particular, because it just wasn't done in most manga. Notably, Masako Nozawa continued to voice Goku as an adult with a slight adjustment to her voice for him as a child, which has confused Z-hards to this day!

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Post by ArmenianPepsi » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:01 am

KBABZ wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:33 pm I probably should have added this to the Trivia, so here it goes:
  • Toriyama initially faced friction regarding aging up his characters at this point, Goku in particular, because it just wasn't done in most manga. Notably, Masako Nozawa continued to voice Goku as an adult with a slight adjustment to her voice for him as a child, which has confused Z-hards to this day!
Even if it's a slight difference between child and adult, it's still noticable. Really though it's hard for me to imagine adult Goku in Japanese given a generic deep gruff voice to represent being "Adult". It would just seem so un-Goku, if that makes any sense. I like Nozawa's approach of taking kid Goku's voice, and just adding a little air of age and maturity to it. :lol:
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Post by KBABZ » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:23 am

ArmenianPepsi wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:01 am Even if it's a slight difference between child and adult, it's still noticable. Really though it's hard for me to imagine adult Goku in Japanese given a generic deep gruff voice to represent being "Adult". It would just seem so un-Goku, if that makes any sense. I like Nozawa's approach of taking kid Goku's voice, and just adding a little air of age and maturity to it. :lol:
We're getting into playing-to-the-crowd here, but Nozawa's real talent is that she voices Kid Goku, Adult Goku, Gohan, Adult Gohan, Goten, Adult Goten, Tullece, Bardock and Goku Black with slightly different versions so that they sound vocally different while still keeping that strong family heritage. It's kinda similar to how Tom Kenny and Ikue Ōtani always record new dialogue for their roles as Gary the Snail and Pikachu so there's NO recycled audio.

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Post by MyVisionity » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:24 am

KBABZ wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:50 pm
MyVisionity wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:19 pm
Robo4900 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am After this timeskip, seven years have passed since Goku first met Bulma. Goku is now 18 and Bulma is 23.
Not to nitpick but Bulma should be 22 here. Although technically it's been seven years, the character ages were never stated to have been altered to reflect that initial year. In other words, Goku and Bulma were 12 and 16 at the beginning of the series and 12 and 16 just before the first timeskip during Uranai Baba.
I'm the one who added this piece of Trivia and I stand by my calculations. The character's ages were never stated past Goku originally stating how old he was, and yet there are multiple clearly-defined timeskips. To figure out the ages, I used the following metrics:
  • +1 year for the start of the Red Ribbon Army arc so that the Dragon Balls are active again. This is one of the series' great plot holes because the timeskip during Roshi's Training was stated to be six months, but it HAS to be a year in order for the Dragon Balls to be active.
  • +3 years for the timeskip between the RRA and 22nd TB arcs.
  • +3 years for the timeskip between the Daimao and 23rd TB arcs.
  • = 7 years between the Pilaf Arc and the 23rd TB arc.
I could consider dropping Goku's age by a year though simply because he said he was 11 on the other side of the Roshi Training timeskip, which would logically mean he was 10 in the Pilaf Arc.
Goku stated he was 12 at the Tenkaichi Budoukai, not 11. And I believe Bulma told those Red Ribbon guys in the forest that she was 16, unless that piece of dialogue was filler.

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Post by KBABZ » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:00 am

MyVisionity wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:24 am Goku stated he was 12 at the Tenkaichi Budoukai, not 11. And I believe Bulma told those Red Ribbon guys in the forest that she was 16, unless that piece of dialogue was filler.
Shoot you're right! I didn't notice the last word bubble where he landed on 12! Oops! Guess that means he's 11 at the start and 17 at the 23rd TB.

As for Bulma, the "I'm 16 line" is used by Funimation's dub. In the manga (or ViZ's translation of it, at least) she instead says "Wh-when you say "Havin' some fun"..... you don't mean videogames do you?! You mean those naughty things that you aren't even allowed to describe in a comic book, don't you?!"

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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:39 am

KBABZ wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:00 am
Shoot you're right! I didn't notice the last word bubble where he landed on 12! Oops! Guess that means he's 11 at the start and 17 at the 23rd TB.
He’s 18 at the 23rd Budokai.

12 at the 21st. 15 at the 22nd and 18 by the 23rd


Logically Goku would be 11 at the start of the story because he was 12 in the 21st Budokai and that had to have been a year after Shen Long is first summoned buut no he was 12 in the beginning of the story. In both the anime and the manga he tells Bulma he’s 14 when he’s trying to help bathe her and then we find out he only said that because he thought 14 came after 11.

As for Bulma, the "I'm 16 line" is used by Funimation's dub. In the manga (or ViZ's translation of it, at least) she instead says "Wh-when you say "Havin' some fun"..... you don't mean videogames do you?! You mean those naughty things that you aren't even allowed to describe in a comic book, don't you?!"
She also said she was 16 in the Japanese version of Oolong’s debut.

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Post by KBABZ » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:49 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:39 am
KBABZ wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:00 am
Shoot you're right! I didn't notice the last word bubble where he landed on 12! Oops! Guess that means he's 11 at the start and 17 at the 23rd TB.
He’s 18 at the 23rd Budokai.

12 at the 21st. 15 at the 22nd and 18 by the 23rd


Logically Goku would be 11 at the start of the story because he was 12 in the 21st Budokai and that had to have been a year after Shen Long is first summoned buut no he was 12 in the beginning of the story. In both the anime and the manga he tells Bulma he’s 14 when he’s trying to help bathe her and then we find out he only said that because he thought 14 came after 11.

As for Bulma, the "I'm 16 line" is used by Funimation's dub. In the manga (or ViZ's translation of it, at least) she instead says "Wh-when you say "Havin' some fun"..... you don't mean videogames do you?! You mean those naughty things that you aren't even allowed to describe in a comic book, don't you?!"
She also said she was 16 in the Japanese version of Oolong’s debut.
Sooooooo does anyone have a Daizenshuu timeline on them so we can fact-check this?

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