"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Matches Malone]

This month's drafts are gonna be interesting, because we'll most likely get to see what Toyotaro was actually going for with the end of Chapter 63, which will "solve" the discussion on whether "Ultra Instinct has been turned into just another Super Saiyan transformation now" or not.

Omen has already been turned into that so chances are MUI will be as well.

[Kinokima]

I honestly dread it because I hate how we have all these opinions about the chapter before the chapter is even out

[theherodjl]

I take it that Goten & Trunks are too busy growing to take part in the latest arc? Maybe the next time we see them, they might be taller and have longer hair to boot. It'd be a great gag to have them show up at the end of the fight in their outgrown, stretched clothing and proclaim that they're there to save the day.

[Xeogran]

I take it that Goten & Trunks are too busy growing to take part in the latest arc?

They're too busy being outgrown by baby Pan and Bra

[theherodjl]

I take it that Goten & Trunks are too busy growing to take part in the latest arc?

They're too busy being outgrown by baby Pan and Bra

Well, the girls did inherit the genes of their mothers as opposed to the slow AF genes of their fathers in which they grow maybe one inch every 3 years.
Now that I think of it, nothing explicitly states that Goten & Trunks didn't drink some kind of growth-potion(that Bulma or some alien made) in order to have become as tall as they did in the original manga ending.

[Jiren The Alpha]

I personally don't care about what Toyotaro says or does about Ultra instinct, i care more about what Toriyama says and does about Ultra instinct.

[Matches Malone]

I personally don't care about what Toyotaro says or does about Ultra instinct, i care more about what Toriyama says and does about Ultra instinct.

Toyotaro is working with him, so whatever happens with UI would've gone through Toriyama and got approved.

[Jiren The Alpha]

I personally don't care about what Toyotaro says or does about Ultra instinct, i care more about what Toriyama says and does about Ultra instinct.

Toyotaro is working with him, so whatever happens with UI would've gone through Toriyama and got approved.

What about the Broly movie? no forms from the manga or the anime, the thing is, when Toriyama writes a Dragon Ball story, he doesn't take into consideration what people wrote before him.

[Matches Malone]

When Toriyama writes a Dragon Ball story, he doesn't take into consideration what people wrote before him.

Toriyama is working on the Moro arc, he's even the one who had Merus be an angle.

[Jiren The Alpha]

When Toriyama writes a Dragon Ball story, he doesn't take into consideration what people wrote before him.

Toriyama is working on the Moro arc, he's even the one who had Merus be an angle.

And thats all we know, he can give Toyotaro ideas (and help with some drawings) but we don't know if he is going to use them himself.

[mute_proxy]

Or Toriyama's involvement in the writing process stopped after the initial brainstorming phase of the arc, we don't know.
Nor do we know the extent of Toyotaro's creative freedoms, it is "his" manga after all.
So let's not push "Toriyama's supervision and approval" every time a particular creative decision is criticized, it just invalidates Toyo as an artist more.

[Matches Malone]

Or Toriyama's involvement in the writing process stopped after the initial brainstorming phase of the arc, we don't know.

And thats all we know, he can give Toyotaro ideas (and help with some drawings) but we don't know if he is going to use them himself.

You're not going to have Goku master UI in chapter 64 (assuming he does), only to do it again in chapter 75 for example. It's simply too big of a plot development to not have Toriyama's approval. That'd be like Vegeta sacrificing himself to kill Moro, only to show up in the next Toriyama arc as if nothing happened.

[Jiren The Alpha]

Or Toriyama's involvement in the writing process stopped after the initial brainstorming phase of the arc, we don't know.

And thats all we know, he can give Toyotaro ideas (and help with some drawings) but we don't know if he is going to use them himself.

You're not going to have Goku master UI in chapter 64 (assuming he does), only to do it again in chapter 75 for example. It's simply too big of a plot development to not have Toriyama's approval. That'd be like Vegeta sacrificing himself to kill Moro, only to show up in the next Toriyama arc as if nothing happened.

Well.....do you thing Toriyama cares

[Matches Malone]

Well.....do you thing Toriyama cares

I don't think he would if it happened in a side movie or even heroes (which I think it did), but the same comic ? I just can't see him approving something he himself has plans for within the comic that's marketed under his name.

[mute_proxy]

Well.....do you thing Toriyama cares

I don't think he would if it happened in a side movie or even heroes (which I think it did), but the same comic ? I just can't see him approving something he himself has plans for within the comic that's marketed under his name.

Most Super Saiyan forms were "mastered" in between arcs. Goku mastering UI before the next arc, be it here or somewhere in between isn't a "grand decision" to make, considering DB's history. UI's introduction was something "grand", but not this.

[Xeogran]

We're getting the first drafts in just a few hours! I'm super hyped

[Tai Lung]

Does anyone consider merus and goku's friendship forced? I am not saying that gohan and android 16 had any development but it made sense due to the interests and personality of both ... peaceful people who want to protect the earth with merus and goku there is no connection outside of master and disciple for 3 days ... I think with gohan it would have worked better or beerus and goku

[Koitsukai]

The drafts are out, for those who were waiting for them.

Does anyone consider merus and goku's friendship forced? I am not saying that gohan and android 16 had any development but it made sense due to the interests and personality of both ... peaceful people who want to protect the earth with merus and goku there is no connection outside of master and disciple for 3 days ... I think with gohan it would have worked better or beerus and goku

It wasn't 3 days, it was 3 or 6 months

[GodVegetto91]

I’m fucking pissed and dissapointed that we didn’t see Goku attain MUI in today’s manga draft pages... I’m very shocked and NEGATIVELY surprised. I would’ve at least liked to have gotten some confirmation on it...

Now ofcourse that in no way is proof that it won’t happen.. But I would’ve just loved to have some confirmation on it. That is all.

[Dbzfan94]

That'd be like Vegeta sacrificing himself to kill Moro, only to show up in the next Toriyama arc as if nothing happened.

So basically what happened in the ToP when Vegeta "blew hismelf up" only to be perfectly fine