Grimlock wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:20 am
There has to be a limit to that, even if "they work narratively". If you can convey a message without resorting to the same gimmick over and over again, do it.
Again, Saiyan beyond God and Ultimate are both great ideas. Because, at the end of the day, "works for the story" still comes down to "an excuse to achieve greater power". And if it's just for the character to be stronger, then these two states already do that without having to exhaust the transformations fatigue.
I agree that there must be a limit to the amount of transformations because a large increase in them in a short period of time also undermines their impact, which is something I mentioned as one of the main factors that make them great. But it's good to keep in mind that when it comes to the manga, there is no overload of new forms, at least not for Goku and Vegeta.
SSB remained the strongest form for 4 arcs, and one of the main points of it in the story was that Goku and Vegeta trained to constantly improve Blue instead of looking for stronger forms. The narrative also reinforces this notion with Trunks, who was able to strengthen his SSJ2 to a level similar to Goku's SSJ3, without having to rely on new forms like Goku. Even Ultra Instinct now has different levels of mastery for Goku to obtain instead of just getting a new form
Grimlock wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:20 am
The way things should be. There's really no need to go all flashy. Let Vegeta learn/use such technique without sporting a purple (or any other color that isn't black or golden) hair.
I said in another thread, but if you really want to change something, change the hairstyle instead. It's cool to see other kinds of hairstyles. Also, there's the aura. It's something I think it would be cool to mess around (I really liked Goku Black's black aura), other colors, a permanent aura, add details to it (like Ultra Instinct has). Use those to convey whatever you want to tell. There's really no need for more recolors.
I feel like I should say: this is coming from someone who has purple as his favorite color. Even if Vegeta does end up looking cool (like in a fanart I saw the other day), it would still contribute to this endless and unnecessary Saiyans transformations.
To reinforce what I said above, even the SSBE in the manga is just an aura change (well, except for the colorful version that has been released, the hair color and the aura in other promotional materials remain the same), there is no big differences and is not even treated as a form apart from the regular Super Saiyan Blue, and has been used for 3 arcs. Particularly, I don't see a problem with a new form now especially if it's to represent this new path that apparently will be important for Vegeta's evolution in the series. And I'm totally fine if it's just an aura change again, like the one before. My point is that if it ends up changing his hair color to purple it won't necessarily be bad either. It will certainly maintain the simple trend of the manga and the series in general.
Well, this is a different discussion, but I think you can argue that one of the factors that drives this trend of new forms with each new arc is the almost universal DB rule that raw power crosses any barrier, including techniques. So techniques alone (without a power boost that usually comes with transformations) cannot make up for the power difference. That's why UI is a transformation for Goku, and that's why Vegeta will also need a power up, separate from this technique, to be able to rival the enemies. This has practically become inherent to DB, there is almost an obligation of ever increasing power ups and, consequently, new forms due to how the series works with its powerscaling. Depending on the person’s view of it, it can be good or bad