"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

Toriyama and Toyotarou ran out of colours for poor old Vegeta so they had to take away his eyebrows, my boy got a bootleg SSJ3 look going on.

Somebody should have told Vegeta this is what happens when you order your SSJ3 from WISH.

[JulieYBM]

I like the new form. I wonder if his hair changed color, too?!

[Magnificent Ponta]

Spoiler:

Vegeta's past was only connected because Beerus said Vegeta was holding onto that guilt which prevents him from giving into a destructive nature.

Vegeta's past runs through the whole arc so far, given the questions of Destruction, starting again and reinventing oneself from scratch and not being simply constrained by the past, and the fact that he's one of the last Saiyans fighting the last Cerealian on a planet that his Ape Monster compatriots destroyed, and (if the image is real) he's activating a transformation that evokes those various ideas - the primal Saiyan aspects and their inherent destructiveness, the Divine Power he seeks to challenge his main rival, the concepts of past and regression, and the notion of Destruction. There's plenty of thematic connection there, so it's not obviously inconsistent at all, in my opinion.

That doesn't mean it should literally mutate his brow and remove his eyebrows like a cave man. What even is that and why is that a thing? It just makes it look brutish and ugly

His brow isn't 'mutated', he simply lacks eyebrows - like SSj3. Not liking it on an aesthetic level is fine, but there's no need to overstate your case for the sake of communicating the sentiment. But as for why he should look that way - well, why do Saiyans look ape-like generally? And why should a form evoking that (and in a relatively subtle manner at that, compared to, say, SSj4) be particularly strange or out of keeping to any observer?

He's back and forth and all over the map.

Goku's coherent. SS forms > SSG > SSB > MSSB > Omen > MUI. Each is more and more close to the divine and refined in control and mastery of his energy. He isn't going back to an ape.

But they've both started again, which is the point of both of these forms. You've elided the new start that Ultra Instinct represents here - it emphasises different principles to the Super Saiyan forms, has completely different requirements, and Goku has had to re-train himself from scratch to attain it and wield it properly; it's not the natural next step beyond SSjB - it's a totally different thing, and so (if the image is real) is Vegeta's form.

Part of the reason Goku steps out so far beyond everyone else in Dragon Ball is because he's willing to start again from the basics to get a better result in the end. Vegeta is doing the same, but with different Divine principles and in a different direction (which he's been trying to find since Chapter 40). Just because it's different to what he's done before doesn't make it incoherent. Goku's a Martial Artist first and foremost, and is training in an Ultimate Martial Arts technique, which is what he's always been about, since his first scenes in Dragon Ball. Vegeta is a Saiyan Warrior first and foremost, and is training in an Ultimate Destructive technique, which is what his people have always been about.

All seems to make sense, to me.

[batistabus]

Yes but a God form shouldn't make you look like a caveman, because the Gods (of Destruction) are not cavemen. This isn't supposed to be a Saiyan form. It's supposed to be a Divine form he attained after training with Beerus God of Destruction.

If it's anything like Migatte no Gokui/Super Saiyan Silver, it is just a Saiyan transformation used to cope with divine power. But to that point...for many humans across the galaxy, the Oozaru - which this form slightly resembles - are gods of destruction that descend from the heavens and wreak havoc.

[precita]

If this is real it feels like a jump the shark moment for the manga. Vegeta being a God of Destruction (or being groomed to become one) makes sense, but this transformation is awful.

At this point I'm willing to say the manga is its own thing now. If the anime ever comes back they'll probably go in an entirely different direction.

[Jiren The Alpha]

So "ningen culture" is that they're cavemen?

Okay then

Well a "caveman" is the intermediate between an ape and a human, and the eyebrowlessness is supposed to represent a primal simian appearance.

Yes but a God form shouldn't make you look like a caveman, because the Gods (of Destruction) are not cavemen. This isn't supposed to be a Saiyan form. It's supposed to be a Divine form he attained after training with Beerus God of Destruction.

To be fair, Thor looks like a cavemen, and the Gods of Destructions are different animals and a clown, so a caveman isn't that weird . I thing the form looks sick if it's real.

[batistabus]

Also worth noting...the ki "globules" that surround this transformation are similar to those of Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black, who was also a pseudo-Hakaishin.

[Marz]

Yeah, like we finally get a transformation that changes the physical appearance of the user instead of an aura or hair recoloring, and the first thing people do is shit on it.

Well, we didn't need yet another transformation but if it's not fake then I'm still disliking it because it looks terrible. I'm not going to like something just because it's different. Different doesn't equal good.

I think it should be addressed that although Super is bloated in terms of transformations (just like the original series, from Saiyan arc onwards), this has not really been common for Vegeta. Disregarding Completed Blue (which merely uses the full power of form, with the only visual distinction being the lack of aura) and Evolved Blue (which in the manga is just Blue's mastery, and the only visual change being the different shape of the aura, functioning more like a powered up state rather than a new form), Vegeta's main thing has been just SSB since 2015, so it's not like it pops up a new form for him with every arc. A unique thing for was lacking.

Transformations should serve the plot and not be created just for the sake of it, and the manga has made clear the different paths Goku and Vegeta are taking. The white-haired form is the culmination of Goku's Ultra Instinct and he's been sticking to it, so it seems only natural that Vegeta's path leads him to a new form and in this case it seems like a good reason to have one (and the manga in particular doesn't usually go all out with a bunch of transformations all the time). So it feels weird to see "oh, ANOTHER form for him" when it's not been the case.

[DiscountDabi]

Spoiler:

Hell...Yes!

[superfan2024]

Can someone make an edit with eyebrows? And if they have the time make another edit with eyebrows + SSJ4 eyeliner?

[Skar]

If this is real, it's the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Not really but there was a user who kept saying that years ago after every other surprise. That was a pretty resilient camel!

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the form yet. It depends if it's like Toppo's GoD form for Saiyans or if it's Super's version of SSJ4. We already had Broly's wrathful form so this might be the next step and the SSJ/Oozaru hybrid. I think it would be cool if it regrows his tail.

[DiscountDabi]

Its Official

Its Real

https://twitter.com/DbsHype1/status/141 ... 64261?s=20

[JulieYBM]

Looks cool! I love the flames!

[PurestEvil]

Aaaaaand that is the cue for me to tune out of this topic for a few days. I think it's best to make complaints after the chapter is released

[Magnificent Ponta]

Welp, Jack Bz will be getting more fibre in his diet.

[redon]

I told you, my information and picture are reals

[DiscountDabi]

I have a rough Translation

Spoiler:

First Image. "This is the Difference Between you and me Saiyan. Give Up"

Second Image. Its a Bit Rougher but something along the lines of "The Blood of the Saiyan Warriors Makes a Noise"

Third Image "The God Of Destruction Taugh Me"

and "For the Power Only Driven By Instinct"

Thank you Redon. I'm Sorry for doubting you

[TheMikado]

Its Official

Its Real

https://twitter.com/DbsHype1/status/141 ... 64261?s=20

Two points

1) the first panels made me realize the transformation would probably have actually looked better with eyeliner

2) it looks like the hair is suppose to change color. Maybe it really is supposed to be a deep purple tint.
I’m going to assume it’s suppose to be violet for the obvious “violence” pun similar to SS Rose or something like that.

[Jack Bz]

How did Dragon Ball Super lead to me needing to buy a printer?

Spoiler:

For what it's worth, I truly despise this form aesthetically

[Alruneia]

Okay, yeah, my mind is made up, it's the worst-looking form I've ever seen a saiyan use. The aura is nice, but the body, or rather the face... just no. I can't bring myself to like it. It's too aesthetically displeasing for me.