Kinokima wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:34 pmI mean the original canon was the original Dragon Ball manga.
So yes it did have meaning.
No, canon is not concerned about the original material. Canon concerns the acknowledgement (from an out-universe perspective) of other materials and overall clarification (also in regards to other materials).
Kinokima wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:34 pmThe old movies for example were considered to be part of a separate continuity. That is why the new Gogeta & Broly can be added to the new movies because they don’t exist in the original continuity.
Yes, but the movies taking place in another dimension barely has anything to do with canonicity. We are talking about two Vegetas here, one that learned how to fuse in order to defeat Janemba, and the other that learned how to fuse in order to defeat Broly.
However, that does not mean that the Gogeta from Movie 12 can't, like, appear in the same dimension where the Gogeta that fought Broly lies and even interacts with each other. In the face of movies taking place in another dimension and the possibility of those characters "crossing over" realities, canon virtually loses its meaning altogether.
Once a scenario like the above happens, it won't be like as if the "main continuity" canonized the reality movie Gogeta came from or the character itself. Yet, these characters were still able to communicate with each other. So I ask, what good is a canon in a situation like this? What good is canon in franchises that feature this concept?
Kinokima wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:34 pmNow there are two official parallel canons the anime & manga and the new movie continuity can work with both versions. I am sure this new movie won’t do anything to contradict the manga.
"Canonicity" and "continuity" are not synonymous, and contrary to popular belief: they can't be used interchangeable. I already provided an explanation just above of that difference. It is possible for a work to be canonical, yet not taking place in a certain continuity.
Yes, there are three continuities: the movies, the anime and the manga. But you are gravely mistaken if you think all these three versions can coexist peacefully and that they all happened somehow/in-universe. No, there can be only one version. That's where canonicity enters, it would clarify to us which of these three continuities is the one we should be considering. The lack of canon allows people to pick one of these continuities to consider and no one is wrong by their choices, because officially, there's nothing there to say what's right and what's wrong.
Kinokima wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:34 pmVideo Games & Heroes are side things and are not part of the main continuity.
I could list you a number of franchises whose "main continuity" is, for example, a TV series but consider another material completely different (like a videogame, a movie, a comic book, etc) as part of its continuity.
You'd probably say "whatever, this is Dragon Ball", but what I said kind of describes Dragon Ball. Here's Akira Toriyama himself saying Dragon Ball Online takes place after the manga:
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Shocking, isn't? And we know Toriyama was involved with Dragon Ball Online during its production (for five years). That is, if an author's involvement alone is some sort of "law" that will determine whether or not that material is part of a continuity. If it is, then in this case, why aren't there more people mentioning Dragon Ball Online? And why do these same people consider the movies retellings instead of the movies which came from the author himself?